Possibly the most important science breakthrough happened today (not really)

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adlep

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Born2bwire said:
Except it makes absolutely no mention or reference to Rossi.
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It discusses the subject of LENR and "cold fusion" research in detail. Some people around here have equated it to a "Perpetuum mobile" type of a scam.
But apparently more and more people think that it actually could be a legitimate technology with an infinite number of applications.

P.S. This is just in:
Free Energy Truth put the question directly to 3M for clarification.

We asked - "I’d like to know if 3M have purchased a 1MW eCat reactor from Andrea Rossi (Leonardo Corporation) or have any business relationship with Rossi or his Leonardo Corporation? "

"Andrea Rossi is the inventor of a revolutionary new energy technology LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions). There was talk that the company that purchased the reactor was 3M, so I’d like to get clarification from yourselves as to whether this is based in truth or not. Can you provide me with some sort of statement either way on 3M’s position regarding this and any involvement in this new revolutionary energy device?"

Free Energy Truth received the following brief statement via email from a 3M spokesperson at their St Paul Headquarters.

"It is 3M's practice not to discuss our business involving specific individuals or companies. Thank you."
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There you have it folks. Like it or not, this story refuses to go away. Moreover, as the time goes by, there is more and more "news" to report. Please enjoy the ride...
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LiuKangBakinPie

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There is actually some evidence supporting that theory of evolution now just an fyi...
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For more than 100 years, scientists have sought—and found—evidence for evolution. The fossil record demonstrates that life on this planet was vastly different millions of years ago.

Nevertheless, evolutionary theory is still, in some cases, the cause of misconception or misunderstanding. People often misconstrue the phrase 'survival of the fittest.' Some people interpret this to mean that survival is the reward for the strongest, the most vigorous, or the most dominant. In the Darwinian sense, however, fitness does not necessarily mean strength so much as the capacity to adapt successfully. This might mean developing adaptations for more efficiently obtaining food, or escaping predators, or enduring climate change—in short, for thriving in a given set of circumstances.
 
adlep

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LiuKangBakinPie said:
For more than 100 years, scientists have sought—and found—evidence for evolution. The fossil record demonstrates that life on this planet was vastly different millions of years ago.

Nevertheless, evolutionary theory is still, in some cases, the cause of misconception or misunderstanding. People often misconstrue the phrase 'survival of the fittest.' Some people interpret this to mean that survival is the reward for the strongest, the most vigorous, or the most dominant. In the Darwinian sense, however, fitness does not necessarily mean strength so much as the capacity to adapt successfully. This might mean developing adaptations for more efficiently obtaining food, or escaping predators, or enduring climate change—in short, for thriving in a given set of circumstances.
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Hey,
Lets not change the narrative here. This thread has nothing to do with discussing the evolution. Lets stay on topic - which is: laughing at my gullibility, calling Mr. Rossi a scammer, and calling the LERN a pseudo-science.
 
PowerEngineer

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adlep said:
Hey,
Lets not change the narrative here. This thread has nothing to do with discussing the evolution. Lets stay on topic - which is: laughing at my gullibility, calling Mr. Rossi a scammer, and calling the LERN a pseudo-science.
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Not a bad summary! :D

I have no problem accepting the idea that there is anomolous behavior that isn't explained by currently accepted scientific theories, and I certainly wouldn't be so bold as to categorically dismiss the possibility that the behavior is caused by some sort of LERN-like effect.

I'd have to be even bolder, however, to conclude at this point that LERN is the likely explanation for the anomolous behavior. It's possible, but far from probable -- something similar to alien spacecraft proving to be the explanation for U.F.O.'s.

In that sense, some of us are surprised at (maybe stunned by) your level of belief in LERN and in the unverified claims of Mr. Rossi. A few speculative powerpoint presentations on LERN along with some speculative (and manipulative) press releases on Rossi's E-Cat are hardly a substitute for an open and objective demonstration (of a product we are supposed to believe will be soon on sale at Home Depot).

I note that you have been resurrecting this thread with what amounts to "more of the same" meaningless updates for about eleven weeks now. Does it bother you that nothing concrete has really happened over this time period? Can we agree that a "breakthrough" hasn't happened if there's no additional proof available by June?

:colbert:
 
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darkswordsman17

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adlep said:
Hey,
Lets not change the narrative here. This thread has nothing to do with discussing the evolution. Lets stay on topic - which is: me passive aggressively whining while posting every snippet I can lift from cold fusion blogs.
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Fixed.

I don't think anyone called LENR (too bad your tantrums have taken the fun out of pointing out your "LERN"-ing disability) pseudoscience. Now cold fusion, which was pointed out LENR is not, is a different story. And Rossi's actions have been called into question for his pseudoscientific techniques.
 
Born2bwire

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adlep said:
It discusses the subject of LENR and "cold fusion" research in detail. Some people around here have equated it to a "Perpetuum mobile" type of a scam.
But apparently more and more people think that it actually could be a legitimate technology with an infinite number of applications.
:D
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Bullshit. It's dirty disingenuous associations like this that make Rossi's scams work. NASA's legitimate research into LENR in no way legitimizes Rossi. Trying to associate it with Rossi is just another way that he is able to gull people into such scams.
 
DrPizza

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Born2bwire said:
Bullshit. It's dirty disingenuous associations like this that make Rossi's scams work. NASA's legitimate research into LENR in no way legitimizes Rossi. Trying to associate it with Rossi is just another way that he is able to gull people into such scams.
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Pretty much this.

I can't believe you're still falling for it. You're like that distant relative who everyone warns "don't send your money! He's not really a Nigerian barrister! You're not going to get $1 million by sending them $10,000 to cover the fees," yet that distant relative is still convinced that it's gotta be true, because there's an official seal from Nigeria or some such nonsense.

I know I thought this, but can't remember if I posted this in the thread. Care to make a wager?
 
zinfamous

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LiuKangBakinPie said:
For more than 100 years, scientists have sought—and found—evidence for evolution. The fossil record demonstrates that life on this planet was vastly different millions of years ago.

Nevertheless, evolutionary theory is still, in some cases, the cause of misconception or misunderstanding. People often misconstrue the phrase 'survival of the fittest.' Some people interpret this to mean that survival is the reward for the strongest, the most vigorous, or the most dominant. In the Darwinian sense, however, fitness does not necessarily mean strength so much as the capacity to adapt successfully. This might mean developing adaptations for more efficiently obtaining food, or escaping predators, or enduring climate change—in short, for thriving in a given set of circumstances.
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the simplest definition of fitness, or rather, using Darwin's way to classify something as fit, means passing genes to the tertiary generation. Genes surviving through to F2.

An individual is evolutionarily fit only when their offspring produce offspring.
 
SphinxnihpS

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DrPizza said:
Pretty much this.

I can't believe you're still falling for it. You're like that distant relative who everyone warns "don't send your money! He's not really a Nigerian barrister! You're not going to get $1 million by sending them $10,000 to cover the fees," yet that distant relative is still convinced that it's gotta be true, because there's an official seal from Nigeria or some such nonsense.

I know I thought this, but can't remember if I posted this in the thread. Care to make a wager?
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People like this always shut the fuck up when you try to entice a wager.

If he won't bet, please just ban him, and if he does I want in on the action.
 
SMOGZINN

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SphinxnihpS said:
People like this always shut the fuck up when you try to entice a wager.

If he won't bet, please just ban him, and if he does I want in on the action.
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Unfortunately, to make a wager you first have to set the goalposts in cement. Things like this tend to have very loosely defined goals that are always just a few months from being realized.
 
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Joepublic2

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Yeah, not believing this until it's independently tested. If it truly works he wouldn't mind letting some smart people sign some NDAs and tear it apart; that's what NDAs and patent law is for, after all.

HamburgerBoy said:
I could provide you with lecture slides from my general biology class where Lamarckian evolution is mentioned.
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Interestingly new research shows that Lamarckian evolution might hold true in certain limited situations, although of course Darwanian evolution is still the dominant selection process.
 
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adlep

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SphinxnihpS said:
Are you one of the 587 idiots who signed the White House petition to look more carefully at Rossi's bogus claims?
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I did not sign anything. Also, my latest link is not about Rossi but about a different company. Thy are based in Greece.
 
DrPizza

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Cliffs: company that worked with Rossi and was going to invest a bazillion dollars in Rossi's company backed out, because they too have figured out how to break the laws of physics as known. They too have magic boxes that they won't demonstrate in front of anyone credible, nor will let someone credible examine the devices, nor have published anything in any peer reviewed journal, nor have filed for any patents,etc.

In other words, some Greek guys figured out that Rossi doesn't have a monopoly on being a scammer.

Edit: and a few reputable sources use the same buzzwords that Rossi uses, such as LENR, of which there is real evidence. But, that in no way means that Rossi deserves one ounce of credibility.
 
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