Possibly the most important science breakthrough happened today (not really)

[PowerEngineer]

... Mr. Celani does mention Rossi...

Indeed he does! But not exactly a ringing endorsement:

In January 14, 2011 Andrea Rossi, a chemical engineer, and Sergio
Focardi a well known physicist who worked with Piantelli, showed in
Bologna, to a restricted public, a LENR device called E-Cat capable to
generate some kW of excess thermal power. During 2011 similar
demonstrations occurred three times always without a strict scientific
control. On my request, at November 2011, to perform a scientific
validation (request even boosted, using an Italian science magazine,
by the Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson), A. Rossi refused.
Some well-respected physicists attended to the demos and, according to
them, there is no evidence of fraud. Anyway, the thermal balance in this
reactor is not totally convincing.
Rossi announced, on October 2011, the intention to produce and market
a device for house heating by end 2012 early 2013 in USA.

And the red lettering is his.

If the anomolous experimental results being cited can be shown to be a result of LENR, then that will an important scientific advance.

If this advance in turn leads to a broader understanding of nuclear physics and (better yet) has widespread practical applications, then (and only then) would LENR become an "important science breakthrough".

If all this does happen, I'm betting it's not going to be as a result of anything Rossi is doing.

I'll take it all back if those E-Cat's actually show up at my Home Depot by the end of the year!

 

[adlep]

If you are calling me a wacko, check out this guy:

http://www.chrismartenson.com/forum/cold-fusion/51623?page=4#comments

G'Day, I was JUST in Athens and met with representatives of Defkalion. They told me that they were going to begin selling their LENR device this July 2012. I was shown their R&D model which just starts with a flick of the switch. It also turns off with a just a flick of the same switch. They have their model running at 250degc. They can get their LENR to run over 350degc (dry steam), but they need something more than the current fluid that they are using. Rossi has problem shutting down his E-CAT. Rossi is a "one-man-band" and Defkalion has 27 scientists.

Several groups have come to see them including NASA. They have taken down their blog on their website to enable their 27 scientists to just concentrate on their work to finalize a commercial LENR. Each unit will have as many as five (5ea) LENRs, each running at 5kw. I went there to investigate possible investment. They only want BIG investors. They have MANY OEM (original equipment manufacturers) already on board internationally. They intend to manufacture 300,000 units in the first year. It will cost only 30 Euros/year to operate each LENR device

They have all the European certificates. Everyone else in the world recognises the EU certificates, except the United States. Defkalion had decided the US is in the 'too-hard-basket' and won't manufacture or sell to the US. The units will be monitored via mobile telephone or internet to insure their proper operation.

I was told that they were trying to actually see what happens in their device with some glass with a melting point of 1500degc. They saw it light up like the sun and then it melted the glass. This just took a second or two. I was told what their working theory was, but they really don't know what is going on. They have brought in several academics with a myraid of explanations.

This looks like a real go'er. It will change the world. I'm sorry for not disclosing more. I was told specifics, but was asked to keep them confidential.

These are exciting times. The whole world awaits. Life is about to change.

and

G'Day firefly,

Defkalion told me when Mr. Rossi had the 1mw plant going, at one point, everyone ran out because it got unstable. He's too worried about confidentiality and is a one-man-band. He keeps things too close. Defkalion couldn't work with him because of it. Rossi needs some technical help, which would require letting his invention out-of-the-bag to a precious few scientists. He has REAL trouble shutting it down. Defkalion even has something like a fire extinguisher attached to 'poison' the reactants to kill it. They can just shut it down normally with a flick of the switch. Defkalion will constantly monitor the LENRs, even in your house to ensure their safety. Rossi has a LONG way to go.

Edit: Folks, heads up, the story refuses to go down. When I started posting about this in October 2011 I caught a lot of crap for doing so, and then in Jan we got the NASA video. Moving forward to March 22 2012 and we got an offical CERN conference about LERN. Not mentioning that bot Rossi and Defkalion claims keep escalating.

 

[sdifox]

This just took a second or two. I was told what their working theory was, but they really don't know what is going on. They have brought in several academics with a myraid of explanations.

So the people working on this explained the theory to the blogger but they don't really know what is going on?

Say what?

oh and the greek company is saying they need to actively monitor the reaction remotely. I don't think that will pass CSA.

 

[adlep]

The LERN presentation at CERN:

a. http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1433865
b. http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1433866

Enjoy!

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

So the people working on this explained the theory to the blogger but they don't really know what is going on?

Say what?

oh and the greek company is saying they need to actively monitor the reaction remotely. I don't think that will pass CSA.

That's fine! Look at homeopathy!

 

[darkswordsman17]

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/12/the_nuclear_physics_of_why_we.php

Oh, and, OP you could at least get the nomenclature right: LENR.

 

[PowerEngineer]

If you are calling me a wacko, check out this guy:

Not sure exactly how you mean this. Perhaps "this guy" does set a new standard for wackiness that no one else can match. He certainly is willing to believe everything he was "told".

I've never called you a wacko, but I have suggested that your belief in Rossi's E-Cat goes way beyond what can be justified based on the negligable proof he's offered. Perhaps wanting it to be true so badly, this has become your "great pumpkin".

Edit: Folks, heads up, the story refuses to go down. When I started posting about this in October 2011 I caught a lot of crap for doing so, and then in Jan we got the NASA video. Moving forward to March 22 2012 and we got an offical CERN conference about LERN. Not mentioning that bot Rossi and Defkalion claims keep escalating.

This story refuses to "go down" because you keep trying to hype it back up. The material you've linked refer to claims of anomolous heat generation that seem to be unrepeatable with no firm linkage to any LENR-like mechanism. Nothing has really changed since your "breakthrough" posting last October.

And it's best not to mention that both Rossi and Defkalion claims keep escalating, because any proof of these claims remains glaringly absent.

Of course, the rest of us could be wrong. I will profusely apologize if Defkalion making a big splash in the market with their 5 kw units in July, or if Rossi's E-Cat's makes it into the Home Depots as this year's must-have Christmas gift.

 

[sdifox]

Not sure exactly how you mean this. Perhaps "this guy" does set a new standard for wackiness that no one else can match. He certainly is willing to believe everything he was "told".

I've never called you a wacko, but I have suggested that your belief in Rossi's E-Cat goes way beyond what can be justified based on the negligable proof he's offered. Perhaps wanting it to be true so badly, this has become your "great pumpkin".



This story refuses to "go down" because you keep trying to hype it back up. The material you've linked refer to claims of anomolous heat generation that seem to be unrepeatable with no firm linkage to any LENR-like mechanism. Nothing has really changed since your "breakthrough" posting last October.

And it's best not to mention that both Rossi and Defkalion claims keep escalating, because any proof of these claims remains glaringly absent.

Of course, the rest of us could be wrong. I will profusely apologize if Defkalion making a big splash in the market with their 5 kw units in July, or if Rossi's E-Cat's makes it into the Home Depots as this year's must-have Christmas gift.

For the sake of argument let's (try very hard and) pretend it's all true, wouldn't they need to do a patent application first before bringing product to market? Otherwise everyone would just copy it no?

And this mysterious catalyst must be the long fabled Philosopher's Stone indeed.

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2012/Report5-Rossis-Profitable-Career-in-Science.shtml

 

[SphinxnihpS]

The LERN presentation at CERN:

a. http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1433865
b. http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1433866

Enjoy!

LOL Packed house!

 

[adlep]

LOL Packed house!

Its not a football game. The place and timing of the event is far more important.

 

[adlep]

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/12/the_nuclear_physics_of_why_we.php

Oh, and, OP you could at least get the nomenclature right: LENR.

We making some progress, at least you are not calling me names anymore. Thanks for the link (I will definitely keep it) and I appreciate the friendly correction.
Of course, I should of typed: LENR versus LERN.

 

[Ichinisan]

We making some progress, at least you are not calling me names anymore. Thanks for the link (I will definitely keep it) and I appreciate the friendly correction.
Of course, I should of typed: LENR versus LERN.

No. You should have typed "LENR" instead of "LERN."

 

[adlep]

Not sure exactly how you mean this. Perhaps "this guy" does set a new standard for wackiness that no one else can match. He certainly is willing to believe everything he was "told".

I've never called you a wacko, but I have suggested that your belief in Rossi's E-Cat goes way beyond what can be justified based on the negligable proof he's offered. Perhaps wanting it to be true so badly, this has become your "great pumpkin".



This story refuses to "go down" because you keep trying to hype it back up. The material you've linked refer to claims of anomolous heat generation that seem to be unrepeatable with no firm linkage to any LENR-like mechanism. Nothing has really changed since your "breakthrough" posting last October.

And it's best not to mention that both Rossi and Defkalion claims keep escalating, because any proof of these claims remains glaringly absent.

Of course, the rest of us could be wrong. I will profusely apologize if Defkalion making a big splash in the market with their 5 kw units in July, or if Rossi's E-Cat's makes it into the Home Depots as this year's must-have Christmas gift.

Take a look at the Celani presentation at CERN. He now claims energy density of 1800W/gr of material. There are some additional LENR developments in Japan (per Celani).
Edit: Per Dr. Pizza's suggestion, it should be "power density" and not energy density. So, Mr. Celani claims power density of 1800W/g out of some Ni based compound.

 

[Jeffg010]

adlep you are just like those guys on Finding Bigfoot. When I watch that show I know that bigfoot is not real but there is a small part of me that wants them to find a bigfoot. There is a small part of me that wants you find this ultimate power source.

Just like you saying japan and all the other places having this is just like these guys saying there was a Sasquatch sighting in in RI or Ohio. You are entertaining just like Bobo.

 

[adlep]

adlep you are just like those guys on Finding Bigfoot. When I watch that show I know that bigfoot is not real but there is a small part of me that wants them to find a bigfoot. There is a small part of me that wants you find this ultimate power source.

Just like you saying japan and all the other places having this is just like these guys saying there was a Sasquatch sighting in in RI or Ohio. You are entertaining just like Bobo.

I am not claiming the power source, I am just reporting on it. There is a distinction there. Also, CERN is not exactly an institution that searches for bigfoot. But maybe, by bigfoot you mean Higgs-boson? Because they are actively searching for one by smashing atoms together.

 

[DrPizza]

Take a look at the Celani presentation at CERN. He now claims energy density of 1800W/gr of material. There are some additional LENR developments in Japan (per Celani).

Watts are not a unit of energy. Your post is the equivalent of claiming "that building is 75 pounds tall." I'm not willing to waste my time chasing down yet another dead end to demonstrate that this provides zero support to Rossi's scam. Thus, can you correct that post about the CERN presentation?

 

[adlep]

Watts are not a unit of energy. Your post is the equivalent of claiming "that building is 75 pounds tall." I'm not willing to waste my time chasing down yet another dead end to demonstrate that this provides zero support to Rossi's scam. Thus, can you correct that post about the CERN presentation?

I apologize, but I am going by Celani's slides:

1. http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1433866
2. Look at the slide # 15 "Power Density" states 1800 W/gr

So I guess I have made another typo. Power Density does not equal to Energy Density. My mistake.
http://www.energylens.com/articles/kw-and-kwh -> This link explains the relationship between the energy and power.

Edit: Info Corrected

 

[Joepublic2]

Not believing any of this. It's been well known for decades that you can fuse atoms at low temperatures/pressure by suspending hydrogen in various metal latticies; however, the rate of fusion is far to low to be useful for energy production.

 

[adlep]

Interview with Rossi at the oilprice blog

http://oilprice.com/Interviews/The-...the-E-Cat-An-Interview-with-Andrea-Rossi.html

Meaning that some oil speculators MAY get nervous reading it.

 

[halik]

lol more undeniable proof by means of some guy's blogs. There's a titanic amount of facepalm going in this thread.

 

[adlep]

lol more undeniable proof by means of some guy's blogs. There's a titanic amount of facepalm going in this thread.

Not saying its a proof or not, just pointing out that there are more and more gullible fools like me around.

 

[PowerEngineer]

Interview with Rossi at the oilprice blog

http://oilprice.com/Interviews/The-...the-E-Cat-An-Interview-with-Andrea-Rossi.html

Meaning that some oil speculators MAY get nervous reading it.

Oh great! Just what this thread needed. Another round of the same Rossi claims with no substantiation.

I can't help but notice the inconsistencies in the price quotes. At first the 1 Mw units are priced at $1M (1000 x 1000 $/kw), but later in the interview the 1 Mw unit jumps up to $1.5M.

Not that it really matters. Everyone will be linking one hundred of the "domestic" 10 kw units into a 1 Mw unit for just $90k (100 x $900/unit).

But perhaps this obvious price inconsistency can be explained by Rossi's claim that two unit sizes "are totally different technologies".

It's more likely that some oil speculators will get a laugh from reading it.

 

[sdifox]

<insert large Picard mosaic facepalm>

 

[adlep]

It time to up the ante a bit.
A Defkalion Tech has issued an official letter to investors. They are actually soliciting large investors and such statements illegal when the technology behind these claims does not exist. So at this stage someone's ass is on the line.

Defkalion scientific team consists of scientific and engineering experts. It has successfully managed to trigger and monitor Chemically Assisted Low Energy Nuclear Reactions caused by Nickel and Hydrogen nuclei. This unique LENR technology is based on proprietary methodologies and engineering designs.
Defkalion has conducted third party tests on its core technology by internationally recognized and reputable private and public organizations from Europe and America. Today, there is solid, unambiguous evidence confirming our technology. We are at the dawn of a new era of clean, inexpensive, limitless renewable energy.

More here:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/109367316429719678205/posts/JQf54WUY2Cb

 

[sdifox]

So you should sell everything you own and jump in on this great investment opportunity. Put your money where you mouth is so to speak.