Pope Sorry for Reaction to His Remarks

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: waggy
yeah. after all the church NEVER has used force to get people to convert..

But the difference is that Christianity will admit to their past history of violence. If you even imply this about Islam's past, you are accused of being ignorant of Islam, spreading lies about Islam, hurting their feelings, and if you don't apologize and say you were stupid and wrong then they will hurt you.

 

[Vegitto]

Originally posted by: JS80
Arab op-ed: Pope?s remarks may lead to war

lol who are they gonna declare war on? are they gonna invade the vatican?

No-one would let the Vatican be invaded. The USA and Europe would be all over that.. That's like marching into <INSERT HOLY MUSLIM PLACE HERE> and expecting them to NOT try and kill you..

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: waggy
yeah. after all the church NEVER has used force to get people to convert..

But the difference is that Christianity will admit to their past history of violence. If you even imply this about Islam's past, you are accused of being ignorant of Islam, spreading lies about Islam, hurting their feelings, and if you don't apologize and say you were stupid and wrong then they will hurt you.

not only that, they admit they were wrong and not following Jesus's teachings. on the other hand Muhammed taught to convert by the sword.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: waggy
yeah. after all the church NEVER has used force to get people to convert..

But the difference is that Christianity will admit to their past history of violence. If you even imply this about Islam's past, you are accused of being ignorant of Islam, spreading lies about Islam, hurting their feelings, and if you don't apologize and say you were stupid and wrong then they will hurt you.

so they admited that they used violence in the past to convert others. so what?

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: waggy
yeah. after all the church NEVER has used force to get people to convert..

But the difference is that Christianity will admit to their past history of violence. If you even imply this about Islam's past, you are accused of being ignorant of Islam, spreading lies about Islam, hurting their feelings, and if you don't apologize and say you were stupid and wrong then they will hurt you.

so they admited that they used violence in the past to convert others. so what?

The first step to righting any wrongs is being able to admit it.

 

[Molondo]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Molondo

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The Islamic culture as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without it.

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Thats Something along the lines me saying

The black man as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without them.

No it's not. We are able to choose our religious beliefs, and our religious beliefs absolutely have an effect on our behavior. Religion and race are two entirely different things, and I agree with Astaroth on this one.

How does rap sound


Rap music as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without it.

happy?

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Molondo

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Molondo

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The Islamic culture as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without it.

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Thats Something along the lines me saying

The black man as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without them.

No it's not. We are able to choose our religious beliefs, and our religious beliefs absolutely have an effect on our behavior. Religion and race are two entirely different things, and I agree with Astaroth on this one.

How does rap sound


Rap music as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without it.

happy?

I agree with that, too 🙂

I stand by my original point: The Islamic culture promotes hatred and intolerance, and it appears to be completely unable to deal with internal (Salman Rushdie) or external (the Pope, the cartoon thing) criticism of itself. It glorifies "martyrdom" (suicide bombing) and all kinds of other nastiness. It contributes next to nothing to humanity as a whole.

 

[Molondo]

I stand by my original point: The Islamic culture promotes hatred and intolerance

Yes, cnn said so.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: waggy
yeah. after all the church NEVER has used force to get people to convert..

You know your history well.
The church never did.
Nice try though, come again?
But yeah, Islam in a way is perverted in wrong. Only recently did Muslims who moved to America try to make Islam look more "civilized". It is a barbaric religion started up in a barbaric part of the world.
And its followers are a bunch of ignorants and savages who are led by ignorants and hate filled fools who seek to dominate the world.
I'm tired of this Muslism ass kissing for the sake of appearing neutral.
True, some Muslims are decent and many I respect for their disipline and faith in their beliefs as well as their self restraint from commenting on the idiocy of their counterparts in the middle east.
With that said, a good deal too many of these Muslisms are fanatical crackpots who at one little misconception of an insult will try and and follow the destructive legacies of their ancestors.
While the rest of the world is advancing, they've pulled themselves back in a dark age far worse than what Europe experienced when Rome fell.
The Pope should release a new statement asking for all the Muslims who don't like what he said to
"KISS HIS ASS!"

 

[SophalotJack]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SophalotJack

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SophalotJack

Originally posted by: SSP

Originally posted by: Shawn
who cares what the pope says anyway?

Apprently millons of muslims do.

I thought this pope and the muslims would get along.

I mean they both don't mind the extermination of the Jews.... isn't that a common ground they can build a strong relationship off of?

Why would you say something like that about the Pope? Do you have any evidence of this?

Um... he lived in Nazi Germany during WWII and won't speak about his time there.

He was a child, forced into the Hitler Youth and drafted into the military. He deserted in 1945. I wouldn't speak of it either.

BTW, he, and his family vocally opposed the Nazis and were persecuted for it.

To call him a Nazi or claim he wants the extermination of Jews is absurd and slander.

Yeah I guess I would desert my army right after our capitol fell and the war is over.

Research isn't just a word.

And I never called him a nazi or said he "wants" to exterminate jews. He just chose to ignore that it happened.... and never wants to speak of it again. Just like every other German who lived at that time and saw what happened.

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: SophalotJack

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SophalotJack

Originally posted by: SSP

Originally posted by: Shawn
who cares what the pope says anyway?

Apprently millons of muslims do.

I thought this pope and the muslims would get along.

I mean they both don't mind the extermination of the Jews.... isn't that a common ground they can build a strong relationship off of?

Why would you say something like that about the Pope? Do you have any evidence of this?

Um... he lived in Nazi Germany during WWII and won't speak about his time there.

many details are not released but ratzinger was an ss youth and wil not say anything about it. all we can presupose is the catholic church is run by a former nazi and no matter what anyone says that is a very scarey thought.

just because he is white doesn't make him right.

 

[moshquerade]

he reads a passage claiming they are a violent religion and how do they react?
with violence. the pope was spot on.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: ForumMaster
the stupid thing that what the muslims did, was prove the pope's point. it was the words of some medieval emperor and he did apologize. so what do the muslims do? prove his point.

and what whas teh point of the pope even saying it? and why? they had to know what it would do.

Without a transcript of the entire speech, there's no way for you or I to know what the point of it was.

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: waggy
now the diffrence is wasnt the pope member of hitlers kids or something like that.

And when the option, as a young boy, is to either nominally become a member of the "Hitler Youth" or to be shot, which are you going to choose?

To be best of my knowledge, there was no "option" to join the Hitler Youth, not in any real sense anyway. You either joined, or immediately brough suspiscion and hardship on you and your family.

ZV

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: SophalotJack

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SophalotJack

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SophalotJack

Originally posted by: SSP

Originally posted by: Shawn
who cares what the pope says anyway?

Apprently millons of muslims do.

I thought this pope and the muslims would get along.

I mean they both don't mind the extermination of the Jews.... isn't that a common ground they can build a strong relationship off of?

Why would you say something like that about the Pope? Do you have any evidence of this?

Um... he lived in Nazi Germany during WWII and won't speak about his time there.

He was a child, forced into the Hitler Youth and drafted into the military. He deserted in 1945. I wouldn't speak of it either.

BTW, he, and his family vocally opposed the Nazis and were persecuted for it.

To call him a Nazi or claim he wants the extermination of Jews is absurd and slander.

Yeah I guess I would desert my army right after our capitol fell and the war is over.

Research isn't just a word.

And I never called him a nazi or said he "wants" to exterminate jews. He just chose to ignore that it happened.... and never wants to speak of it again. Just like every other German who lived at that time and saw what happened.

Just a quick snippet from Wiki. May not be completely accurate, but gives a general idea of what went on:

Following his fourteenth birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was enrolled in the Hitler Youth; Membership being legally required after December 1936.Ratzinger has stated he was an unenthusiastic member who refused to attend meetings. His father was a bitter enemy of Nazism, believing it conflicted with the Catholic faith. In 1941, one of Ratzinger's cousins, a child with Down syndrome, was killed by the Nazi regime in its campaign of eugenics. In 1943 while still in seminary, he was drafted at age 16 into the German anti-aircraft corps. Ratzinger then trained in the German infantry, but a subsequent illness precluded him from the usual rigors of military duty. As the Allied front drew closer to his post in 1945, he returned to his family's home in Traunstein after his unit had ceased to exist, just as American troops established their headquarters in the Ratzinger household. As a German soldier, he was put in a POW camp but was released a few months later at the end of the War in summer 1945. He re-entered the seminary, along with his brother Georg, in November of that year

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Molondo

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The Islamic culture as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without it.

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Thats Something along the lines me saying

The black man as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without them.

No it's not. We are able to choose our religious beliefs, and our religious beliefs absolutely have an effect on our behavior. Religion and race are two entirely different things, and I agree with Astaroth on this one.

If you were born in China to Chinese parents, what would your religion likely be?
If you were born in Egypt to Egyptian parents, what would your religion likely be?
If you were born in India to Indian parents, what would your religion likely be?

For this reason, I hold no ill will to different religions from around the world. Who knows what kind of religious background I'd grow up in if my parents didn't raise me Baptist. I may not agree with another religion's teachings, but I respect their rights to believe in what they want to believe in.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: SophalotJack
He just chose to ignore that it happened.... and never wants to speak of it again. Just like every other German who lived at that time and saw what happened.

Not wanting to talk about it is not the same as ignoring it.

And yes, if you'd been through hell on earth like WWII was, I'm sure that you'd just love talking about it all the time. Just like how all those Vietnam vets love to talk about what happened to them and their buddies in the jungles of southeast Asia. I'm sure you'd especially love it when people brought it up constantly and associated you with actions committed by others that you personally disagreed with.

ZV

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Molondo

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The Islamic culture as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without it.

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Thats Something along the lines me saying

The black man as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without them.

no, sorry, you will NOT compare race with ideology. its in no way comparable. you might as well try saying something stupid like antinazism is racism. ideology like this has no real reason for existing besides perpetrating itself like a virus, because that is what it is.

and burned churches... ah yes, the religion of peace strikes again😛

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SophalotJack

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SophalotJack

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SophalotJack

Originally posted by: SSP

Originally posted by: Shawn
who cares what the pope says anyway?

Apprently millons of muslims do.

I thought this pope and the muslims would get along.

I mean they both don't mind the extermination of the Jews.... isn't that a common ground they can build a strong relationship off of?

Why would you say something like that about the Pope? Do you have any evidence of this?

Um... he lived in Nazi Germany during WWII and won't speak about his time there.

He was a child, forced into the Hitler Youth and drafted into the military. He deserted in 1945. I wouldn't speak of it either.

BTW, he, and his family vocally opposed the Nazis and were persecuted for it.

To call him a Nazi or claim he wants the extermination of Jews is absurd and slander.

Yeah I guess I would desert my army right after our capitol fell and the war is over.

Research isn't just a word.

And I never called him a nazi or said he "wants" to exterminate jews. He just chose to ignore that it happened.... and never wants to speak of it again. Just like every other German who lived at that time and saw what happened.

I don't need a WWII timeline, thank you very much.

He does not ignore what happened. He chooses not to talk about a very painful time in his life in which the vast majority was spent as a youth under a regime he, AND his family were vocally opposed to. As opposed as one could be without being shot.

To equate him, a youth at the time, with Nazi leaders and ideology and to imply he doesn't mind the extermination of the Jews is still absurd, no matter how you try to rationalize it. He was a fscking child... and you want to align him with Hitler???

I'll stop here because other posts in response to this have completely owned you, and this ignorant bullsh!t.

 

[91TTZ]

1. Group A states that Group B goes apeshit over trivial things.

2. Group B goes apeshit over Group A's comments

3. Group A renounces their comments and declares them untrue.

 

[0roo0roo]

nazis...well don't forget the muslim nazis. yes..muslim nazis SS divisions
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d51poygEXYU
http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/yugoslavia_collaboration.htm
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/022.shtml

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: SophalotJack

Originally posted by: SSP

Originally posted by: Shawn
who cares what the pope says anyway?

Apprently millons of muslims do.

I thought this pope and the muslims would get along.

I mean they both don't mind the extermination of the Jews.... isn't that a common ground they can build a strong relationship off of?

Lame. Bringing up the hideously overused "Nazi" argument on an internet forum in a poor attempt to get your point across.

Can't you get your point across in a better manner than digging up the decomposing corpse of a beaten horse and beating it some more? Uh oh, someone drops the "Nazi" reference on a forum! That must mean he has a point!

No.

-10 for you.

 

[Vich]

Originally posted by: Molondo

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The Islamic culture as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without it.

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Thats Something along the lines me saying

The black man as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without them.

And your statement is true aswell, Molondo


lol

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Vich

Originally posted by: Molondo

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The Islamic culture as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without it.

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Thats Something along the lines me saying

The black man as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without them.

And your statement is true aswell, Molondo


lol

:thumbsdown:

keep your racist crap off this board.

 

[Vich]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Vich

Originally posted by: Molondo

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The Islamic culture as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without it.

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Thats Something along the lines me saying

The black man as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without them.

And your statement is true aswell, Molondo


lol

:thumbsdown:

keep your racist crap off this board.

relax
😀