Poor Chicagoans...Flash Mobs and Unable to Properly Defend Themselves

[Orignal Earl]

Them pills kicking in just fine now. Sitting here typing away, telling Earl stories.
What a life

 

[Orignal Earl]

Liberal egalitarians are such cowards...

I've been part of atheist groups in a few different places I've lived, and they're very interested in the horrors of theism... as long as it's Christianity. Christianity is the easy target, the target that won't really fight back much or at all. If they were really interested in the real source of theistic threat in the world, they'd be focused on Islam. They aren't, because it would require some effort and bravery.

Oh, I forgot about asking about this part.

Your saying, you would find and join these atheism groups, you would try and discuss the horrors of Islam, they would freak out and not even want to discuss it?
lol
I can see why you wouldn't want to hang with them anymore.
The closest I can relate is just reading the r/atheism board, and they let loose on all religions

edit- spelling always spelling

 

[Geosurface]

you would find and join these atheism groups, you would try and discuss the horrors of Islam, they would freak out and not even want to discuss it?

I haven't caused anyone to freak out, no.

It's more of a denial that Christianity is basically neutered at this point compared to Islam. They want to pretend Christianity has just as much vigor and danger left in it as Islam... it just doesn't. Christians don't really push back against atheists much anymore... a little bit. A lot of Muslims would straight up murder them.

They pat themselves on the back for confronting Christianity and I've just pointed out that it's a fairly easy target at this point. The response is sort of a "nuh uh!" - and that combined with their complete focus on Christianity, reveals the lack of cojones to pay attention to the real theistic threat.

To go back to your actual question, no they wouldn't really freak out... but yes they wouldn't want to discuss it.

 

[2timer]

This is easy. Bias-motivation is the interpretation of one's thoughts, not the objective measurement of their actions.

This is exactly what convictions and physicians diagnoses are. Exactly.

So criminal convictions and physicians diagnoses are just opinions?

You are are the biggest right wing nut on AnandTech, hands down.

 

[nehalem256]

So criminal convictions and physicians diagnoses are just opinions?

A physicians diagnosis is clearly an opinion. Haven't you heard of getting a second opinion?

 

[Orignal Earl]

I haven't caused anyone to freak out, no.

It's more of a denial that Christianity is basically neutered at this point compared to Islam. They want to pretend Christianity has just as much vigor and danger left in it as Islam... it just doesn't. Christians don't really push back against atheists much anymore... a little bit. A lot of Muslims would straight up murder them.

They pat themselves on the back for confronting Christianity and I've just pointed out that it's a fairly easy target at this point. The response is sort of a "nuh uh!" - and that combined with their complete focus on Christianity, reveals the lack of cojones to pay attention to the real theistic threat.

We have the largest force in the world hunting down most of those Muslim's though.
And lucky for you and me, those Muslim's are thousands and thousands of miles away from us eh
I think we are really doing the best that can be down in that deptment

 

[Geosurface]

Of course there is a lot more opinion involved in assigning the classification of "this was a HATE crime" to a crime than merely just looking at statistics of what crimes were committed and by who.

And anyone who doesn't have their head firmly up their own ass knows that the powers that be are HUGELY more resistant to categorizing black on white crime as a hate crime. The number of stories I've seen just in the last year where the authorities were asked if they would be prosecuting such a crime in that way, and they dodged the question or outright said no no... we don't see any reason to think it was that...

I just don't know what to tell people who don't want to accept this fact, other than that they should pay closer attention. They won't, though, and they're invested in viewing things in the way they currently do. They're the kind of people who are entirely cool with assigning racial guilt to all whites for shit a small percentage of living white peoples' ancestors did hundreds of years ago... but will stop at nothing to avoid assigning guilt to actual black individuals, living now, for shit they THEMSELVES have done. They will go to the ends of the Earth to find new and fresh excuses for it.

"OH it's the poverty... oh it's the historical oppression... lack of job opportunities... not enough midnight basketball... it's understandable backlash against whites they perceive as racist toward them... it's it's it's it's its...."

and that's when you even get them to acknowledge something has happened at all...

 

[SheHateMe]

It must be Genetics, Geo....

 

[Geosurface]

It must be Genetics, Geo....

Not a chance, the human brain was granted a sacred shield against the impact of natural selection as it worked on every other part of our bodies. Tens of thousands of years in different environments leading wildly different lifestyles, the effects of ice age climates interbreeding with other hominids, etc may have had the power to create dramatic differences in our bodies, including one group having 19% more testosterone than another on average... but because we are human beings, and therefore magic... none of these forces could ever, EVER have any impact on anything to do with the mind or behavior.

Just not possible. At all.

After all, it would hurt my feelings if it were true, so it isn't.

 

[nehalem256]

Not a chance, the human brain was granted a sacred shield against the impact of natural selection as it worked on every other part of our bodies. Tens of thousands of years in different environments leading wildly different lifestyles, the effects of ice age climates interbreeding with other hominids, etc may have had the power to create dramatic differences in our bodies, including one group having 19% more testosterone than another on average... but because we are human beings, and therefore magic... none of these forces could ever, EVER have any impact on anything to do with the mind or behavior.

Just not possible. At all.

After all, it would hurt my feelings if it were true, so it isn't.

Of course it had an impact. It had to change the brain so that it would exactly counteract that 19% increase in average testosterone.

 

[SheHateMe]

Not a chance, the human brain was granted a sacred shield against the impact of natural selection as it worked on every other part of our bodies. Tens of thousands of years in different environments leading wildly different lifestyles, the effects of ice age climates interbreeding with other hominids, etc may have had the power to create dramatic differences in our bodies, including one group having 19% more testosterone than another on average... but because we are human beings, and therefore magic... none of these forces could ever, EVER have any impact on anything to do with the mind or behavior.

Just not possible. At all.

After all, it would hurt my feelings if it were true, so it isn't.

Wait...so Race, genetics, and crime is no longer relevant?

I'm intrigued. :hmm:

In that thread you say that blacks have a special angry gene that makes us so violent...but now you are saying that because blacks are also humans, that special angry gene doesn't have an effect on us anymore.

You also go on to prove/explain your theory that genetics and crime have a direct correlation.

 

[Geosurface]

Of course it had an impact. It had to change the brain so that it would exactly counteract that 19% increase in average testosterone.

Ohhh good call, yes other than that though... nothing else! NOTHING!

 

[2timer]

A physicians diagnosis is clearly an opinion. Haven't you heard of getting a second opinion?

Tell you what, you provide me with the authoritative definition on what a diagnosis is, and we'll go from there.

Otherwise, we just have to agree it's a moot point, there's too much ambiguity about the meaning of diagnosis to make a definitive conclusion.

And it's really not worth the effort and would only derail the thread anyways. So just forget it.

 

[2timer]

anyone who doesn't have their head firmly up their own ass knows that the powers that be are HUGELY more resistant to categorizing black on white crime as a hate crime.

As far as I know, the instances of black on white hate crimes are negligible and rare. So I'm not even sure there's a whole lot of black on white hate crimes going on, tbh.

The number of stories I've seen just in the last year where the authorities were asked if they would be prosecuting such a crime in that way, and they dodged the question or outright said no no... we don't see any reason to think it was that...

By "in that way" do you mean authorities choosing not to prosecute a crime as a hate crime? If you've seen so many of these stories, could you share a few?

 

[Geosurface]

If you've seen so many of these stories, could you share a few?

I was searching for some links for you, and I did find some stuff, but I am by no means a master Googler and a lot of what was turning up was stuff about things which WERE prosecuted as hate crimes. If you search for anything about "prosecuted ... hate crime" most of what seems to come up is that, for obvious reasons.

Some of the links I was finding I figured I'd get gripes about the sources... like "oh sure, fox news, oh sure WND, oh sure ______" so I just sort of gave up, for now.

All I can tell you is, if you're someone like me who pays attention to these sorts of stories, you run into a lot of instances of cops saying "no no, we don't see the elements of a hate crime here" but if it's a white on black crime, it's automatically assumed to be such. I think part of it is that black on white crime is just so absurdly common that they figure it's just normal crime... I don't know.

I may go back and look some more for better links for you, later on. We'll see. I invite you to search too.

Frankly I think another aspect is also that hatred of whites is just so commonplace, such a given among the kind of people who do these sorts of crime (not among all blacks) that it isn't seen as remarkable even if the people were spewing "bitch ass cracka!" "take that, white boy!" as is very very often the case in these sorts of attacks.

 

[SheHateMe]

I thought I had a good question, Geo.

 

[Geosurface]

I thought I had a good question, Geo.

I'm glad you thought that.

 

[OverVolt]

Chicago deserves whatever they get honestly.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I'm glad you thought that.

That cookie has a choc chip troll face
It's mocking me with its delicious chocolaty stare

 

[2timer]

I was searching for some links for you, and I did find some stuff, but I am by no means a master Googler and a lot of what was turning up was stuff about things which WERE prosecuted as hate crimes. If you search for anything about "prosecuted ... hate crime" most of what seems to come up is that, for obvious reasons.

Some of the links I was finding I figured I'd get gripes about the sources... like "oh sure, fox news, oh sure WND, oh sure ______" so I just sort of gave up, for now.

All I can tell you is, if you're someone like me who pays attention to these sorts of stories, you run into a lot of instances of cops saying "no no, we don't see the elements of a hate crime here" but if it's a white on black crime, it's automatically assumed to be such. I think part of it is that black on white crime is just so absurdly common that they figure it's just normal crime... I don't know.

I may go back and look some more for better links for you, later on. We'll see. I invite you to search too.

So, in light of the lack of any compelling evidence that authorities chose not to prosecute "numbers" of cases as black on white hate crimes, I'm going to have to conclude that for now, that particular statement was false. And no offense to you, because you seem like a nice guy.

 

[Geosurface]

So, in light of the lack of any compelling evidence that authorities chose not to prosecute "numbers" of cases as black on white hate crimes, I'm going to have to conclude that for now, that particular statement was false. And no offense to you, because you seem like a nice guy.

That's fine, go ahead.

Maybe an instructive way to proceed would be for you to look at how many black on white crimes there are per year, and then compare that to how many black on white crimes are considered hate crimes, with the earlier linked stats... and see if the % makes sense to you.

I'll be the first to admit, I think whites end up being the victims often because they are the most common type of people, and tend to have more wealth to steal, etc... that is PART of it. I don't deny that.

but if you don't think there is real race-based hatred of whites by a lot of blacks? or if you don't think the same forces of political correctness that lead media to downplay black crime, or which led Florida to bring in a whole other prosecutor from a different county to charge George Zimmerman aren't ALSO factors in why so few black on white crimes are prosecuted as hate crimes? Then I think you're living in a dream world, no offense.

 

[OverVolt]

Anyone who doesn't know about black on white hate crime hasn't been to the poorer areas of large demographically black urban centers.

I live near one :awe:

Hell even the ghetto city McDonalds shorts me of french fries. Practically give away fries to the black guys. Its really, really obvious. So I don't bring money into the city and they can stay poor. They don't really help themselves.

If you are the one white guy in a place you will most likely get terrible service. Just like if you are friends with a black guy and the black guy is with all his other black friends he will pretend to not know you lol.

Just how it is folks. I can see how white rural redneck mountain nowhereville has no experience with this so thats fine. But there is quite a bit of animosity toward whites especially if you are the only one.

In my opinion the whites treat the one black guy in the county much more equally than blacks treat a white guy going out in the city but oh well. I just don't go there anymore.

 

[Geosurface]

Here's a good article on Memorial Day Mobs in 2011

and a quote from a Chicago police officer at that time which I found enlightening:

I was at the lake front today and here is what I saw; A completely out of controll group of “teens” at the Oak St. Beach and at the Olive Park Beach. They were knocking people from their bikes at the Oak St. beach and then laughing and high-fiving each other. The nice northsiders were completly taken aback when the “teens” would push them from their bikes.

There were over 2,000 teenagers (being PC) who flocked to the beaches and proceeded to fight, attack others, rob, and destroy anything they could get their hands on.

but what was the official line on why the beach was shut down?

Chicago cops said they shut down North Avenue Beach because tiny-fingered Mayor Rahm Emanuel claimed they’d received a “tremendous amount” of calls regarding heat exhaustion. But the high temperature in Chicago on Memorial Day was only 88 degrees and only four people were taken from North Avenue Beach to local hospitals for heat-exhaustion relief. And none of Chicago’s numerous other beaches were closed that day. The mayor’s “heat exhaustion” alibi has lost so much credibility, even CBS News is beginning to question it. Before the beach was shut down, callers to local radio station WLS said they saw “dozens of gang bangers pushing people off their bikes.”

 

[Geosurface]

Just how it is folks. I can see how white rural redneck mountain nowhereville has no experience with this so thats fine. But there is quite a bit of animosity toward whites especially if you are the only one.

In my opinion the whites treat the one black guy in the county much more equally than blacks treat a white guy going out in the city but oh well. I just don't go there anymore.

I think there are a lot of my well-meaning former fellow liberals right now who are pushing as hard as they can for more social programs, more open immigration ... you name it, and who, in their older years, are going to have an "oh shit" moment where they realize that us bad bad, meany racist, xenophobic jerks might have had a point.

I think when the demographics shift even more, the amount of racial "payback" inflicted on whites is going to get well beyond the point the media can successfully run interference for.

 

[2timer]

Anyone who doesn't know about black on white hate crime hasn't been to the poorer areas of large demographically black urban centers.

I live near one :awe:

Hell even the ghetto city McDonalds shorts me of french fries. Practically give away fries to the black guys. Its really, really obvious. So I don't bring money into the city and they can stay poor. They don't really help themselves.

If you are the one white guy in a place you will most likely get terrible service. Just like if you are friends with a black guy and the black guy is with all his other black friends he will pretend to not know you lol.

Just how it is folks. I can see how white rural redneck mountain nowhereville has no experience with this so thats fine. But there is quite a bit of animosity toward whites especially if you are the only one.

In my opinion the whites treat the one black guy in the county much more equally than blacks treat a white guy going out in the city but oh well. I just don't go there anymore.

Yeah, that's a wonderful example to back up your statement about black on white hate crimes. Bravo.

Seriously, why even post that?