Poor Chicagoans...Flash Mobs and Unable to Properly Defend Themselves

[Geosurface]

Notice 4x as many anti-black crimes as anti-white crimes.

The primary cause of that is that they simply refuse to categorize black on white violence as being race-motivated or a hate crime. They just won't do it. I think they've only done it a couple of times, from what I've seen. The standard of proof is basically "you want a black on white crime considered a hate crime? Present me a 4 foot tall tome of evidence showing it to have been such. Oh I misheard you! A white on black crime? Oh well then, consider it proven. Say no more."

There is a lot of fiddling around with crime statistics that they do to try to make it look not quite so bad... like considering Latinos "white" when they are crime offenders, but categorizing them separately when they are victims.

Just one example of a staggering statistic, I think it was 2010 or 2011... 37,000 black on white rapes, and so few white on black rapes as to be statistically untrackable (they just called it "less than 10")

 

[Orignal Earl]

If you're curious to find out more about this issue... I can recommend the book "White Girl Bleed A Lot" which is basically just a big compendium of these events, and if I recall correctly I think the author also speaks to lots of local police off the record, and finds out about some of the (very common) department policies about not making a report on these events, not pursuing it, etc.

I found a Salon article on that book you read

Why conservatives obsess over flash mobs and “race riots”

How and why the right suddenly became very, very frightened of black people

The point, of course, isn’t to make an argument supported by statistics. It’s to marshal all available anecdotal data to support the paranoid white conservatives’ gut feeling that this country is on the brink of Charlie Manson’s Helter Skelter.

But this epidemic of racial crime isn’t an epidemic. It’s barely a blip. According to the FBI, there were 575 crimes motivated by anti-white bias in 2010, nationwide. There were 545 anti-white crimes in 2009 and 716 in 2008. There were more than 2,000 crimes motivated by anti-black bias in each one of those years. Of course, the book insinuates that all black-on-white crime is racially motivated, but even by that standard things are looking pretty rosy in America right now.

http://www.salon.com/2012/08/13/why_conservatives_obsess_over_flash_mobs_and_race_riots/

 

[Doppel]

Okay - you've established that there's crime in America, and it often involves groups of people rather than lone assailants. But only a small fraction of those have anything "flash" about them - the groups aren't strangers, they're not organizing spontaneously, they're nothing new in the world. See this one, drawn at random: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,366105,00.html Okay, there's shitty people in the world. Why should the national news media care about that? Violent crime is especially bad in America compared to other first-world countries, I definitely agree. But our culture of violence goes a lot deeper than "black youths making trouble," and it's never going to get better if people stick with stupid, outdated ideas about race instead of working on the real issues: poverty, racism being a contributing factor in keeping even hard working people in poverty, a legal system and tax code that are contributing factors in keeping even hard working people in poverty, a bankrupt education system in need of improvement (not just in funding, but that too), etc.

"Flash mobs" is a stupid distraction of a non-issue, a way of acting like violence is something new to "kids today" instead of something that's been a fundamental part of the nation since its creation, and something we need to be addressing as a whole.

Sure, there are mob attacks, even some "flash mob" violence, but that's not statistics. HERE are statistics:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2011/tables/table-1
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2011/tables/table-4
Notice 4x as many anti-black crimes as anti-white crimes.

Here's more statistics:
http://www.census.gov/compendia/sta...nt_courts_prisons/crimes_and_crime_rates.html

In contrast, here's a list of shark attacks reported in 2012. http://sharkattacksurvivors.com/shark_attack/viewforum.php?f=48&sid=2a93d076f54ff4aa6b0ee5080277d194
Look how many! It being a list rather than statistics means that we learn nothing about how important a threat shark attacks are in the country. In fact, they are not a real threat.



Many British people are racist as hell, why is that sarcastic?

"Bias-motivation" is highly subjective.

A more pertinent statistic would be the actual rate of black on white white on black crime because it cuts the subjective and vague motivation out of the picture.

 

[Geosurface]

Earl, a couple of points that need reiterating:

1.) Yes, the book attempts to pool together as many examples as can be found across the country in local news. What alternative is there if the national media and government are going out of their way, bending over backwards to brush this issue under the rug?

2.) I don't see how hundreds or thousands of events like this over just the last couple of years across the nation in every corner of the country is just a "blip" - that's not a "blip" to me. A "blip" would be the number of times whites have done these same sorts of mob attacks, which is basically zero, or damned near zero.

3.) What percentage of those "anti-black bias motivated crimes" were by whites, vs. by Latinos? That's instructive to keep in mind.

4.) The bar is set so high for ever calling a back on white crime a "racially motivated crime" that the statistics end up saying very little about how often it happens, I have a clue for you: it happens a FUCK of a lot. Them refusing to categorize it as such due to political correctness and fear of backlash, doesn't negate that fact.

For instance, in the comment section for the story this thread is about:

“I was visiting some relatives in Illinois (live in Ohio) andI had the misfortune of having been shopping on the Mag Mile when this started happening. I have never felt more in fear for my life. I saw some white man about 60 years old with probably his grand daughter knocked to the ground, and his wallet stolen by 3 ‘teens’, ok, im just going to call it what it was ‘BLACKS’. who were about 6’3″ and 200lbs each.
I’ve never heard so many venomous racial taunts as they were kicking at the man and robbing him. He was screaming for his grand daughter to run, and i ran up to her and pulled her into a store entryway. The 3 ‘teens’ and other urban youths gathering were screaming stuff like, ‘mind your bidness you white b*tch, and a bunch of other taunts i couldn’t even understand.
People in the store were already calling 911, and thankfully some police sirens blaring a couple blocks of way got them to flee the area, but not before kicking the man again, callling him a f’ing cracker, etc. etc.
I am still half shaking as I type this, the man was taken away by ambulance with multiple cuts and bruises, but i think he will be ok. (as ok as you could be after something like that), i feel awful for his grand daughter, she was really shaken up.
I am now contemplating getting a concealed carry license, and I will NEVER go to Chicago again.”

Sound like a racially motivated anti-white attack to you? This is *entirely typical* of the stories in the book I linked and that you found the article about. VERY often there are direct declarations of racial motivation, or at least making reference to the race of the white or Asian or any sort of non-black victims.

Maybe those elusive hateful racists who attack people of other races you base your entire ideology around and are constantly seeking to do noble battle against are right under your nose, but they're just not the color you'd prefer them in?

 

[2timer]

The only thing which I find disgusting here is your dishonesty and absolute commitment to skewing this issue.

You should really spend some time actually watching the local news videos which cover some of the worse incidents... instead of just trying to find some in that list that "don't sound all that bad" to you. You seem incredibly invested in maintaining your delusions. I know exactly where you're at and what motivates you because only about a year ago, maybe 2 years ago, I was exactly the sort of person to make endless excuses, and downplay... downplay... downplay. In exactly the way you're doing now.

Yes, mmhm. *nods head* If I downplay, then it should be noted that you up-play.

Earl, a couple of points that need reiterating:

1.) Yes, the book attempts to pool together as many examples as can be found across the country in local news. What alternative is there if the national media and government are going out of their way, bending over backwards to brush this issue under the rug?

2.) I don't see how hundreds or thousands of events like this over just the last couple of years across the nation in every corner of the country is just a "blip" - that's not a "blip" to me. A "blip" would be the number of times whites have done these same sorts of mob attacks, which is basically zero, or damned near zero.

3.) What percentage of those "anti-black bias motivated crimes" were by whites, vs. by Latinos? That's instructive to keep in mind.

4.) The bar is set so high for ever calling a back on white crime a "racially motivated crime" that the statistics end up saying very little about how often it happens, I have a clue for you: it happens a FUCK of a lot. Them refusing to categorize it as such due to political correctness and fear of backlash, doesn't negate that fact.

For instance, in the comment section for the story this thread is about:



Sound like a racially motivated anti-white attack to you? This is *entirely typical* of the stories in the book I linked and that you found the article about. VERY often there are direct declarations of racial motivation, or at least making reference to the race of the white or Asian or any sort of non-black victims.

Maybe those elusive hateful racists who attack people of other races you base your entire ideology around and are constantly seeking to do noble battle against are right under your nose, but they're just not the color you'd prefer them in?

There you go again. Earl cities a link to the facts compiled by the FBI. You can't argue the facts, so you try to put a spin on them. Same old crap, new post.

 

[nehalem256]

There you go again. Earl cities a link to the facts compiled by the FBI. You can't argue the facts, so you try to put a spin on them. Same old crap, new post.

The problem is the "facts" you speak of are an opinion. What constitutes a stabbing is pretty clear. But what constitutes a racially motivated stabbing is more of an opinion.

 

[Geosurface]

There you go again. Earl cities a link to the facts compiled by the FBI. You can't argue the facts, so you try to put a spin on them. Same old crap, new post.

Not spin at all, what I said about the FBI considering Latinos a victim category but lumping them in with whites for perpetrator category is true.

What I said about media studiously avoiding portraying the magnitude of the black crime issue is true, and was backed up by quotes from the media outlets themselves.

Instead of just looking at the crime stats for "hate crimes" look at them in the way Doppel suggests. 13% of the population is committing a majority of the violent crime. As if that wasn't jaw-dropping enough, it's worse. Because it's obviously primarily males within a certain age range within that 13%, so we are probably talking about 3-4% of the US population committing a majority of the violent crime. Outrageous. Can't talk about it though, or you're either a "racist" or an "Uncle Tom" instantly. Great way to never, ever solve the issue.

 

[2timer]

The problem is the "facts" you speak of are an opinion. What constitutes a stabbing is pretty clear. But what constitutes a racially motivated stabbing is more of an opinion.

How are FBI statistics an opinion, exactly? I'd love to hear your attempt to reason and wriggle your way out of *that* conclusion.

 

[2timer]

Not spin at all, what I said about the FBI considering Latinos a victim category but lumping them in with whites for perpetrator category is true.

Where do you see a "perpertrator category" in the FBI statistics?

What I said about media studiously avoiding portraying the magnitude of the black crime issue is true, and was backed up by quotes from the media outlets themselves.

I'm not even going to try and correct you on that, that would require me to explain certain assumptions which are fundamental to me but would probably be completely over your head. And that's just tiresome.

Instead of just looking at the crime stats for "hate crimes" look at them in the way Doppel suggests. 13% of the population is committing a majority of the violent crime. As if that wasn't jaw-dropping enough, it's worse. Because it's obviously primarily males within a certain age range within that 13%, so we are probably talking about 3-4% of the US population committing a majority of the violent crime. Outrageous. Can't talk about it though, or you're either a "racist" or an "Uncle Tom" instantly. Great way to never, ever solve the issue.

Lol. This is classic: "Don't look at the statistics as they are, look at them how I suggest."

No, I'm not a total shill. I don't need you to suggest how I ought to look at statistics, I am perfectly capable of doing that myself. Thank you.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Earl, a couple of points that need reiterating:

1.) Yes, the book attempts to pool together as many examples as can be found across the country in local news. What alternative is there if the national media and government are going out of their way, bending over backwards to brush this issue under the rug?

2.) I don't see how hundreds or thousands of events like this over just the last couple of years across the nation in every corner of the country is just a "blip" - that's not a "blip" to me. A "blip" would be the number of times whites have done these same sorts of mob attacks, which is basically zero, or damned near zero.

3.) What percentage of those "anti-black bias motivated crimes" were by whites, vs. by Latinos? That's instructive to keep in mind.

4.) The bar is set so high for ever calling a back on white crime a "racially motivated crime" that the statistics end up saying very little about how often it happens, I have a clue for you: it happens a FUCK of a lot. Them refusing to categorize it as such due to political correctness and fear of backlash, doesn't negate that fact.

For instance, in the comment section for the story this thread is about:



Sound like a racially motivated anti-white attack to you? This is *entirely typical* of the stories in the book I linked and that you found the article about. VERY often there are direct declarations of racial motivation, or at least making reference to the race of the white or Asian or any sort of non-black victims.

1. Apparently according to stats, the issue isn't as big a deal as you say?
2. Let's keep calling the one a blip, and let's call white mob attacks blip blips
3. ok
4. Yikes ok..slow down..you made a typo, I've never see you do that before. Then when I got to the capitalized F word, I kinda jumped.

Maybe those elusive hateful racists who attack people of other races you base your entire ideology around and are constantly seeking to do noble battle against are right under your nose, but they're just not the color you'd prefer them in?

I don't think I have fully developed an entire ideology yet.
Ya, there's lots of racist around where I live. I got friends who would probably spook the hell out of you. Some of them end up changing their thinking, some probably never will.
None of them are bothering anyone actually though, where they live there's very few people who aren't white. And for some reason they tolerate them folks just fine.
lol come to think of it, they might check the weather n farm reports on the internet, but that's about all the internetting they do
I suppose I got a lot of noble people around me I'd like to think. Great family, great friends, lot's of people I look up to. I really do not give a damn what color they are.

 

[berzerker60]

Earl, a couple of points that need reiterating:

1.) Yes, the book attempts to pool together as many examples as can be found across the country in local news. What alternative is there if the national media and government are going out of their way, bending over backwards to brush this issue under the rug?

2.) I don't see how hundreds or thousands of events like this over just the last couple of years across the nation in every corner of the country is just a "blip" - that's not a "blip" to me. A "blip" would be the number of times whites have done these same sorts of mob attacks, which is basically zero, or damned near zero.

3.) What percentage of those "anti-black bias motivated crimes" were by whites, vs. by Latinos? That's instructive to keep in mind.

4.) The bar is set so high for ever calling a back on white crime a "racially motivated crime" that the statistics end up saying very little about how often it happens, I have a clue for you: it happens a FUCK of a lot. Them refusing to categorize it as such due to political correctness and fear of backlash, doesn't negate that fact.

1.) Yes, I'm just attempting to pool together as many examples as can be found of shark attacks across the country in local news. What alternative is there if the national media and government are going out of their way, bending over backwards to brush this issue under the rug?

2.) I don't see how dozens of shark attacks over just the last couple of years across the nation is just a "blip" - that's not a "blip" to me. A "blip" would be basically zero, or damned near zero.

Poor Floridians, going to be crushed under the weight of shifty, uppity sharks attacking in roving plagues ever since Obama came into office! A shark-human war is coming, and all your "statistics" that shark attacks are rare occurrences don't match up to my gut instinct that sharks are a constant danger, so clearly your statistics are wrong!!!

 

[nehalem256]

How are FBI statistics an opinion, exactly? I'd love to hear your attempt to reason and wriggle your way out of *that* conclusion.

What constitutes a racially biased motivation is an opinion subject to bias. Is that difficult for you to understand?

 

[2timer]

What constitutes a racially biased motivation is an opinion subject to bias. Is that difficult for you to understand?

Except that we aren't referring to an individuals opinion, but official statistics compiled by the FBI. If an FBI classification of a crime is considered an "opinion" by you, then by that logic, a criminal conviction or a doctor's prescription would also be an "opinion."

Right wing nut.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Except that we aren't referring to an individuals opinion, but official statistics compiled by the FBI. If an FBI classification of a crime is considered an "opinion" by you, then by that logic, a criminal conviction or a doctor's prescription would also be an "opinion."

Right wing nut.

ROFL... you have no idea how much you look like a fool.

 

[Geosurface]

Liberal egalitarians are such cowards...

I've been part of atheist groups in a few different places I've lived, and they're very interested in the horrors of theism... as long as it's Christianity. Christianity is the easy target, the target that won't really fight back much or at all. If they were really interested in the real source of theistic threat in the world, they'd be focused on Islam. They aren't, because it would require some effort and bravery.

Same with the anti-racists, anti-sexists, anti-homophobes. If they were serious about targeting racism, sexism, and homophobia they'd have the sources of where it is truly still virulent in their sights: the black community (and the Islamic community worldwide too) has a huge issue with homophobia, with racism (racism with teeth, backed up by violence), and with sexism against women. The sexism against men these days is a huge problem and having real, negative consequences like people being fired for nonsense reasons or being treated extremely unfairly by the courts with regard to custody and child support, etc or boys struggling in school... but are the anti-racists/anti-sexists/anti-homophobes directing their attention at the communities (Muslim, black, feminist, immigrant) where these issues are at their worst? Of course not. Their artillery is still squarely aimed at white males, because it's easy... they've already made inroads and tons of progress there, they have the ear of those people and can get appeasement goodies from them...

If they were to actually grow a spine and address where these issues are really still a problem, they'd run afoul of their own fellow liberals... they'd risk being called "racist" or "Islamaphobic" or "sexist" themselves.

So they'll keep their blinders on which help them avoid seeing the problems where they actually are, and they'll keep beating the dead, defeated, deflated horse of the mythical WASP patriarchy or whatever the hell.

 

[2timer]

ROFL... you have no idea how much you look like a fool.

Yes, you are right. Because I called official FBI crime statistics "fact" not "opinion."

 

[berzerker60]

Or, don't be a coward about any of it.
I'm afraid of neither Christianity nor Islam. Yes, there are problems with Middle Eastern culture, and I personally disagree with both Islamic and Christian fundamentalism. Black homophobia is indeed a problem, in large part due to the extensive black fundamentalist Christian community, though not exclusively for that reason. Sexism against men is not a huge problem today, especially relative to sexism against women.

No one's afraid of being "non-PC." It's just that not everyone is as hysterically afraid of people who don't look or act like themselves, so we're not so terrified of the world changing to better accommodate everyone instead of just white males like it has for the past few hundred (or thousand) years.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

In your tiny mind and small world you think the discussion should simply be over because the federal government released some report?


Come on, just try to wrap your brain around the fact that it's very possible that the statistics themselves are flawed or biased. Do you know how many "official" reports just like that one end up being completely debunked?


But hey, just keep on your biased little path, don't think about anything other than what you've been brainwashed to believe. It is the easy way out.

 

[SheHateMe]

In your tiny mind and small world you think the discussion should simply be over because the federal government released some report?


Come on, just try to wrap your brain around the fact that it's very possible that the statistics themselves are flawed or biased. Do you know how many "official" reports just like that one end up being completely debunked?


But hey, just keep on your biased little path, don't think about anything other than what you've been brainwashed to believe. It is the easy way out.

Any why would those statistics be flawed or biased? These are the same type of statistics people like you, Spidey, and Geo turn to when you are trying to make a point.

All of a sudden, someone else is using those types of stats as a reference and they cannot be taken seriously because they might be "flawed" or "biased"



Maybe if he pulled some stats from Breibart it would be a little more relevant.

 

[2timer]

In your tiny mind and small world you think the discussion should simply be over because the federal government released some report?

No. Never said that, but perhaps you feel that way.

Come on, just try to wrap your brain around the fact that it's very possible that the statistics themselves are flawed or biased. Do you know how many "official" reports just like that one end up being completely debunked?

So you can't argue with the facts, so you try to put a spin on them instead? That's telling. Right wing nuts can't accept statistics and figures that upset their world view, so they can only suggest they are flawed or biased somehow. Well I've got news for you, if you believe that FBI crime statistics are biased, then nothing in the world would be unbiased, because you are a nut.

But hey, just keep on your biased little path, don't think about anything other than what you've been brainwashed to believe. It is the easy way out.

Lol. Some priceless advice.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The sexism against men these days is a huge problem and having real, negative consequences like people being fired for nonsense reasons or being treated extremely unfairly by the courts with regard to custody and child support, etc or boys struggling in school...

Man..the horror stories I could tell you of dealing with custody and child support. I was guilty of shit also that didn't help. In the end I was very grateful for what I got, which was enough to raise three perfect kids Back when I had to deal with it, I would have to defiantly say the system was going through a adjusting period and it favored the mother a lot.
I know guys now though that are finding the system is doing the best it can.
I defiantly had a struggle keeping my boys in school.
My oldest even attempted to pull off a join his buddies in Afghanistan instead of properly finishing his 12. He had a change of heart per-say by the time he finally got his 12 English so he ended up supporting his friends from home.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I'm just waiting for one of these mob actions to occur and one of the potential victims has a concealed weapons permit or license and takes out the attacker. I'm sure this forum will go completely full on retard on how the victim should have accepted the beat down and/or robbery and not shot the attacker.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I'm just waiting for one of these mob actions to occur and one of the potential victims has a concealed weapons permit or license and takes out the attacker. I'm sure this forum will go completely full on retard on how the victim should have accepted the beat down and/or robbery and not shot the attacker.

I guess I miss a lot of posts here.
There's a lot of people posting here that say you should not defend yourself if several people are attacking you?
The closest I've been to being robbed was a gang of teen native girls trying to take my case of beer. I was in the hood, stumbling to a party place from the local dive bar. One of them even pulled a knife. I was basically at my destination's doorway when this went down, and my very huge friend ( Also Native ) told them to run. They did and I lived through it
I suppose I was loaded enough that I never really panicked or anything, and that chick would of met my case in a way she wouldn't of liked if she got near me with that knife.

 

[Doppel]

How are FBI statistics an opinion, exactly? I'd love to hear your attempt to reason and wriggle your way out of *that* conclusion.

This is easy. Bias-motivation is the interpretation of one's thoughts, not the objective measurement of their actions.

a criminal conviction or a doctor's prescription would also be an "opinion."

This is exactly what convictions and physicians diagnoses are. Exactly.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Instead of just looking at the crime stats for "hate crimes" look at them in the way Doppel suggests. 13% of the population is committing a majority of the violent crime. As if that wasn't jaw-dropping enough, it's worse. Because it's obviously primarily males within a certain age range within that 13%, so we are probably talking about 3-4% of the US population committing a majority of the violent crime. Outrageous. Can't talk about it though, or you're either a "racist" or an "Uncle Tom" instantly. Great way to never, ever solve the issue.

Up here in Canada,the Saskatchewan part anyways...Natives could probably mold into your stats the same way.
It's probably just stupid to even start to try to compare though because nobody here fears walking the streets at all, anywhere I could go in my Province.
Well.. don't get me wrong, there's probably a lot of little old ladies who aren't going to walk through the hood in Regina at night.
My mom spent a lot of time up north when she was a kid, surrounded by Native people
All she could tell me about was good stories about them, yet she was still leary of them.
They would steal your shit without a second thought, she would say.
She warmed up to them more after I gave her a grandson that was part Native