Pontiac Solstice priced at $19,995 **Updated 2/25**

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Linux23

Lifer
Apr 9, 2000
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I RWD sport roadster for under $20K?

I will wait until the Sky comes out, test drive both, and purchase one or the other as my summer car to compliment my 05 Max.
 

Conky

Lifer
May 9, 2001
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WOW! These look really cool! I wonder if a 6'4" frame would fit into that car because if so I am a buyer! :D
 

PricklyPete

Lifer
Sep 17, 2002
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Wow. I might finally get to use the "points" I've racked up on my GM card. I think my girlfriend would love one of these.
 

Vette73

Lifer
Jul 5, 2000
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Originally posted by: Crazyfool
WOW! These look really cool! I wonder if a 6'4" frame would fit into that car because if so I am a buyer! :D



Lutz is the man behind this car and he is at least 6'4" if not much taller. So based on that and what C&D said, I think you should fit fine.
 

Tremulant

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Nice. I like the looks of the Sky better though.

Now someone needs to develop a sub-20k rwd coupe (like the 240sx was). I'd be all over that.
 

KoolAidKid

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It's definitely pretty and appears to be quite the bargain.

At the ned of the day, though, it's still a Pontiac.
 

The Sauce

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Originally posted by: werk
Kickass. They'll sell a bazillion of them unless the suckers start exploding as people drive them off the lot.

Well it IS a Pontiac...I would expect no less.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: NFS4
Three words. Ten Year Warranty. Keep the bastard forever and don't worry about it.

That being said, once Hyundai makes competitive cars (which they are now) and struggle with their past demons, their resale value will go up. Do you think that Toyota and Honda have always been the darlings of the automotive industry? They used to be pieces of sh!t too back in the day.

The only difference is that Hyundai is progressing along the same track that Honda/Toyota did at an even more rapid pace.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!! That is a marketing gimmick auto manufacturers use to try to improve their quality ratings. Chrysler did it in the late 80s, VW did it in the early 90s. I guess it works though because sheeple keep quoting this as though it is a good thing...:roll:

I bought a Nissan Maxima. I expect no trips to the dealership for major repair work during the first 100k miles. I certainly expect no major mechanical repairs. So far we are coming up on 30k miles and we have been to the dealership once for a leaky axle boot.

We are keeping the Maxima for at least the next 4-5 years. Guess what? I'm not worried about it. Because it's a Nissan!
 

NFS4

No Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
BWAHAHAHAHA!!! That is a marketing gimmick auto manufacturers use to try to improve their quality ratings. Chrysler did it in the late 80s, VW did it in the early 90s. I guess it works though because sheeple keep quoting this as though it is a good thing...:roll:

I bought a Nissan Maxima. I expect no trips to the dealership for major repair work during the first 100k miles. I certainly expect no major mechanical repairs. So far we are coming up on 30k miles and we have been to the dealership once for a leaky axle boot.

We are keeping the Maxima for at least the next 4-5 years. Guess what? I'm not worried about it. Because it's a Nissan!



**Sits back in lawn chair and pops open a Dr. Pepper**

Brian Walters, senior director of vehicle research for Power, calls Hyundai's performance one of the largest

improvements the firm has ever seen. Hyundai bolstered its quality 29 percent from last year and 62 percent since

1998, scoring only 102 problems per 100 vehicles for all its models. Among manufacturers, only Toyota Motor, with

101, did better, Honda, also at 102, did as well.

Top Performers
Entry midsize car- Hyundai Sonata

The worst performer was also a General Motors brand. Hummer, tallied 173 problems per 100 vehicles. Others

faring poorly were Volkswagen (164), Porsche (159), Mazda (157), and Nissan (154). Helping pull down Toyota's

leading average was its new Scion line, which scored a clunky 158.
http://money.cnn.com/2004/04/28/pf/autos/powerqualitysurvey/

Comeback automaker Hyundai has scored big in yet another survey, this one measuring which vehicle brand provides

the best value according to owners.

Hyundai, a budget brand from South Korea, came in second only to Toyota's (TM) luxury brand, Lexus, in the survey,

released Monday.

Hyundai scored well because the brand's vehicle quality has improved, its models have a long warranty and they are

affordable.

In the late '90s, Hyundai's image suffered as engines and electrical systems failed and rust showed up. Dealers

began abandoning franchises. "Not very long ago, they were the butt of jokes," Gorrell says.

Hyundai began to turn around when it started to focus on quality as it redesigned products and backed the new

vehicles with an aggressive, 10-year warranty, says Robert Cosmai, head of Hyundai Motor America.

Over the past year, Hyundai has scored well in several automotive studies, including the J.D. Power Initial Quality

Study, which measures problems owners reported in the first 90 days. It also won recommended buy ratings from

Consumer Reports magazine this year for the Santa Fe sport-utility vehicle, Sonata compact sedan and XG350 midsize

sedan.

"It's pretty gratifying," Cosmai says. "Finally, it is resonating to the buying public that Hyundai provides

tremendous value."
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2004-10-03-car-value_x.htm

Hyundai, a once-suspect South Korean brand, ranked 14th out of 37 brands in total quality experience in the new

survey, up from 23rd last year.

Among brands that typically sell for under $23,000, Hyundai ranked second behind GM's Saturn nameplate but ahead of

No. 3 Honda. Hyundai was at or near the top in three vehicle categories ? small car (Elantra, tied with Saturn

Ion); compact car (Sonata, just behind Chevrolet Malibu); and small sport utility vehicle (Santa Fe).

In the closely watched J.D. Power initial quality study released last month, Hyundai was the most improved of 37

nameplates, scoring 29 percent better than 2003 and moving up 16 positions to rank seventh.
http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1903827









Anything else you'd like to add?
 

ElFenix

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i think hyundai has a selection bias working for them. people dont' expect much from the car, so they overlook things that toyota and honda buyers would complain about
 

Actaeon

Diamond Member
Dec 28, 2000
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I currently like the Sky better, but both cars are on an awesome platform.

I'll definately look into this car if I ever want a convertible replacement for the Miata.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
BWAHAHAHAHA!!! That is a marketing gimmick auto manufacturers use to try to improve their quality ratings. Chrysler did it in the late 80s, VW did it in the early 90s. I guess it works though because sheeple keep quoting this as though it is a good thing...:roll:

I bought a Nissan Maxima. I expect no trips to the dealership for major repair work during the first 100k miles. I certainly expect no major mechanical repairs. So far we are coming up on 30k miles and we have been to the dealership once for a leaky axle boot.

We are keeping the Maxima for at least the next 4-5 years. Guess what? I'm not worried about it. Because it's a Nissan!



**Sits back in lawn chair and pops open a Dr. Pepper**

Brian Walters, senior director of vehicle research for Power, calls Hyundai's performance one of the largest

improvements the firm has ever seen. Hyundai bolstered its quality 29 percent from last year and 62 percent since

1998, scoring only 102 problems per 100 vehicles for all its models. Among manufacturers, only Toyota Motor, with

101, did better, Honda, also at 102, did as well.

Top Performers
Entry midsize car- Hyundai Sonata

The worst performer was also a General Motors brand. Hummer, tallied 173 problems per 100 vehicles. Others

faring poorly were Volkswagen (164), Porsche (159), Mazda (157), and Nissan (154). Helping pull down Toyota's

leading average was its new Scion line, which scored a clunky 158.
http://money.cnn.com/2004/04/28/pf/autos/powerqualitysurvey/

Comeback automaker Hyundai has scored big in yet another survey, this one measuring which vehicle brand provides

the best value according to owners.

Hyundai, a budget brand from South Korea, came in second only to Toyota's (TM) luxury brand, Lexus, in the survey,

released Monday.

Hyundai scored well because the brand's vehicle quality has improved, its models have a long warranty and they are

affordable.

In the late '90s, Hyundai's image suffered as engines and electrical systems failed and rust showed up. Dealers

began abandoning franchises. "Not very long ago, they were the butt of jokes," Gorrell says.

Hyundai began to turn around when it started to focus on quality as it redesigned products and backed the new

vehicles with an aggressive, 10-year warranty, says Robert Cosmai, head of Hyundai Motor America.

Over the past year, Hyundai has scored well in several automotive studies, including the J.D. Power Initial Quality

Study, which measures problems owners reported in the first 90 days. It also won recommended buy ratings from

Consumer Reports magazine this year for the Santa Fe sport-utility vehicle, Sonata compact sedan and XG350 midsize

sedan.

"It's pretty gratifying," Cosmai says. "Finally, it is resonating to the buying public that Hyundai provides

tremendous value."
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2004-10-03-car-value_x.htm

Hyundai, a once-suspect South Korean brand, ranked 14th out of 37 brands in total quality experience in the new

survey, up from 23rd last year.

Among brands that typically sell for under $23,000, Hyundai ranked second behind GM's Saturn nameplate but ahead of

No. 3 Honda. Hyundai was at or near the top in three vehicle categories ? small car (Elantra, tied with Saturn

Ion); compact car (Sonata, just behind Chevrolet Malibu); and small sport utility vehicle (Santa Fe).

In the closely watched J.D. Power initial quality study released last month, Hyundai was the most improved of 37

nameplates, scoring 29 percent better than 2003 and moving up 16 positions to rank seventh.
http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1903827









Anything else you'd like to add?

Yeah, initial quality studies do nothing towards predicting the longterm reliability of a car.

I had the misfortune to rent a Hyundai Sonata a couple years ago and there were many things I didn't like about the car and a few quality issues with it as well. I think people who buy them probably do overlook things that Toyota and Honda buyers would not.

I know the Hummer is a pile of crap. That doesn't surprise me in the least.

My .02.

Edit-Getting your automotive news from USA today and wishtv.com? That's like getting the news from your supermarket reader.
 

NFS4

No Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Edit-Getting your automotive news from USA today and wishtv.com? That's like getting the news from your supermarket reader.

WTF are you talking about? They just reported the survey results. The surveys were from JD Power and Strategic Vision.

Maybe you should actually READ the links to see what they had to say instead of frothing at the mouth
 

ElFenix

Elite Member
Super Moderator
Mar 20, 2000
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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I had the misfortune to rent a Hyundai Sonata a couple years ago and there were many things I didn't like about the car and a few quality issues with it as well.

i've bolded the only word you need to read to know this post isn't going anywhere.