POLL: What is the most discriminated group in America today?

[Dragnov]

You don't think that certain races have better genetics for certain sports? They say white men can't jump, and I have to agree even though I'm white. Our build just isn't the same. Take a look at a white guy's calves and a black guy's calves. They're build differently in the vast majority of the cases. Also, members of certain areas of the Earth excel at different tasks. For sprinting events, people of Western African descent totally dominate... they hold 100% of records under 400 meters. On the other hand, for long distance events, people from the high altitude African inland, (such as Kenya) excel. If you look at the percentages of entrants in these events, and then look at the percentages of the winners, you see clear trends forming based on genetic makeup. This is no coincidence, these people evolved in conditions that lend themselves to be better at certain activities.

For instance, take a look at the finishers at the Boston Marathon:
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Long distance running requires efficient bodies. People from Kenya evolved in a high altitude region where their body became adapted to be efficient. Sure, it takes hard work, but when you take a bunch of world class athletes who all train very seriously, the outcome speaks for itself.

Physical conditions have little to do with current jobs today, other than professional sports of course. Are you suggesting that white people are just simply more intellectually developed?

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
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Physical conditions have little to do with current jobs today, other than professional sports of course. Are you suggesting that white people are just simply more intellectually developed?

Physical conditions may have little to do with jobs today, but they had a LOT to do with evolution of your ancestors. You don't undo thousands of years of evolution in a few generations. You'll still carry the traits that your ancestors evolved with. If you were to look at the testosterone levels of different races, you'd see that they are not all the same. Certain groups of people have much higher testosterone levels than others. Black males have higher testosterone levels than white males, and white males have higher testosterone levels than Asian males. There will always be variations, but the averages speak for themselves.

I know people do not want to hear it, and they like to take the liberal view and think that every human being is exact same way, but that would just be turning a blind eye to the truth. There are differences among races, and each race has its own problems (see how much of a problem sickle cell anemia is among northern Europeans). This is no reason to hate anyone, but it is still something which should be understood. It's the way it is, we can't change it. We must understand it and deal with it.

Claiming that every race is identical with no differences is just ignoring the truth in favor of assuming a "politically correct" point of view.

 

[Dragnov]

Okay thats nice Marshallj but I'm not sure what that has to do with my argument or liberals really at that. I'm also not sure where I was or anyone was "claiming that every race is identical with no differences" either.

Again are you suggesting that white people are more intellectual gifted that they are able to do the numerous high profile jobs out there in America? Say like... being a politician?

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Okay thats nice Marshallj but I'm not sure what that has to do with my argument or liberals really at that. I'm also not sure where I was or anyone was "claiming that every race is identical with no differences" either.

Again are you suggesting that white people are more intellectual gifted that they are able to do the numerous high profile jobs out there in America? Say like... being a politician?

I must say that you're really getting annoying. I don't know if it's your tone or your ratty persistence, but you seem like a fly on a cow's ass.

I'm finding that holding a conversation with you is difficult, because you are repeatedly attempting to put words in my mouth in the hope that you're going to catch me on something.

If you want to carry on an intellectual conversation, you should tone down the emotion, suppositions, and accusations. It's as if you're attempting to build a strawman argument every step of the way.

 

[Dragnov]

I must say that you're really getting annoying. I don't know if it's your tone or your ratty persistence, but you seem like a fly on a cow's ass.

I'm finding that holding a conversation with you is difficult, because you are repeatedly attempting to put words in my mouth in the hope that you're going to catch me on something.

If you want to carry on an intellectual conversation, you should tone down the emotion, suppositions, and accusations. It's as if you're attempting to build a strawman argument every step of the way.

I admit for purposely being annoying in that last statement, but please at least avoid the name calling.

You commented that genetics has a lot to do with people, but honestly I still don't see what that has to do w/ the argument at hand. It seemed to me nothing more than an attack on "liberals." Either that or an implicit argument that the gentics of a white person allows them to succeed in today's jobs in America.

If not, what was your purpose of your comment?

 

[monk3y]

I'm gonna have to go with Middle Eastern people. I mean it's gotten to the point where even people that aren't middle eastern are getting discriminated against just because they might sorta look like middle easterners.

 

[datalink7]

I'd say Gays.

I wouldn't put Whites on top of being discriminated against, but I would put them on top of "able to be discriminated against and somehow the discriminator is still PC."

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
I admit for purposely being annoying in that last statement, but please at least avoid the name calling.

You commented that genetics has a lot to do with people, but honestly I still don't see what that has to do w/ the argument at hand. It seemed to me nothing more than an attack on "liberals." Either that or an implicit argument that the gentics of a white person allows them to succeed in today's jobs in America.

If not, what was your purpose of your comment?

I don't think any one factor makes or breaks the situation in America today, but I think when you take everything into account, such as innate ability, culture, upbringing, and of course discrimination, you get what you have here today. But taking just one piece out of the equation (discrimination) won't solve things. And trying to solve things by just manipulating one variable isn't going to deliver the results you want. We'll end up overcompensating on that one variable in the attempt to make things all right.

What I'm saying is that we're trying to make everything fair in the workplace by implementing Affirmative Action, which addresses the racial discrimination aspect of things. But what about upbringing, culture, and other variables? Do you really think that you're going to get the percentages of blacks in government that you want when many blacks are brought up hating politicians? Watch BET sometime, a "cool" guy will be a basketball player or a rapper, who talks in slang. Where's the black Politicians? Where's Colin Powell? Why don't blacks idolize someone who made it in government and is well educated, and speaks proper English? Instead many look at him as being an "Uncle Tom". From watching mainstream media, I'd guess if you don't talk in the latest slang and wear a basketball jersey, you're not cool.

When you're brought up not liking figures of authority, you're not likely to become a figure of authority.

 

[Dragnov]

I don't think any one factor makes or breaks the situation in America today, but I think when you take everything into account, such as innate ability, culture, upbringing, and of course discrimination, you get what you have here today. But taking just one piece out of the equation (discrimination) won't solve things. And trying to solve things by just manipulating one variable isn't going to deliver the results you want. We'll end up overcompensating on that one variable in the attempt to make things all right.

What I'm saying is that we're trying to make everything fair in the workplace by implementing Affirmative Action, which addresses the racial discrimination aspect of things. But what about upbringing, culture, and other variables? Do you really think that you're going to get the percentages of blacks in government that you want when many blacks are brought up hating politicians? Watch BET sometime, a "cool" guy will be a basketball player or a rapper, who talks in slang. Where's the black Politicians? Where's Colin Powell? Why don't blacks idolize someone who made it in government and is well educated, and speaks proper English? Instead many look at him as being an "Uncle Tom". From watching mainstream media, I'd guess if you don't talk in the latest slang and wear a basketball jersey, you're not cool.

When you're brought up not liking figures of authority, you're not likely to become a figure of authority.

Agreed. But like I said I believe we should still attempt to help these minorities, and aiding them through education so that more and more can stop realizing it's not all about the "bling bling" could help considerably. However, how we do this is crucial (and as I mentioned numerous times, I do not believe affirmative action is the right process).

I suppose I unfairly lashed out against you and I apologize, but it is truly disheartining at the fact that people believe white people are being THE most discriminated against. Affirmative action is wrong IMO, but seriously it affects probably only around 1% of the population and pales in comparison to all the hate crimes happening in the country.

 

[LeeTJ]

MarshallJ


Yes, there are genetic predispositions and yes this should be taken into account when implementing AA.

i've never been a strong proponent of AA. i don't believe it is effective and i don't believe it will achieve the goals it's set out to achieve. But there question at hand really isn't AA per se. it's constantly brought up as an argument but it isn't the point of contention.

Let me quote the title of thread "What is the most discriminated group in America today?"

the answer to the question is DEFINITELY not White male, take everything else out of the discussion and that is still you final answer. It is not white male.

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: Spac3d
How in the world can you people think that whites are discriminated more than hispanic or middle eastern people?

Yeah man, I think some people want more credit than they're given. White people are the most benefited in our country, you've gotta be joking. On a social level, gays are discriminated against strongly from what I've seen. I'd say blacks comes in second...

 

[Maetryx]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
I do not agree with LeeTJ on that statement. Rather, I will say that blacks disproprotionately are in professional sports because it seems the best option for them. Historically and currently, the chances of them being able succeed simply through the system is still very little.

So genetics and race play no role in who gets to play in the NBA? Your statement is disengenuous at best. All those millions of dollars didn't attract those guys? Black athletes were born out of white discrimination at the corporate management level (making whites indirectly responsible for the fantastic achievements of black athletes)? But of course. Those 7' tall basketball players were *going* to be physicists and CEOs but white men forced them into basketball.

As I said, if you look at government positions, business excutives, etc... they are all made up of rich, white people.

I'm not sure what you think a rich person is, but I'd like to point out a few of their features: 1) They're a person. 2) They may not have been born rich, and then became a business executive. It probably happened the other way around. 3) Rich white people don't go around looking for other white people to bestow money upon.

So now, they must aspire to other areas, which is the only way they can break out of this cycle of poverty. How many rich white people aspire to joing professional sports? None. They have no reason to.

How do you know? Most people with ANY background that aspire to professional sports don't make it. Same with those that aspire to riches within business careers.

But guess what! These rich white powerful people dominate the upper class TODAY. Who the hell do you think are the beneficiaries of that? Rich white people!

Maybe. But then do you agree that rich powerful Jews mainly benefit other rich powerful Jews? At the expense of other groups?

And no I am not for affirmative action and such as they are probably causing more problems than help solve them,

you started off pretty good here but continued...

especially with all these tards talking about this BS like reverse discrimination. Oh right, when was the last you were subject of a hate crime?

I don't deny that the average white male experiences discrimation,

Which one of the bolded statements do you like? Is discrimination against whites BS or is in undeniable?.

but idiots who think they are subject of the most discrimation because incessant whining from certain BS "civil right/equality" groups, give me a break. Were your grandparents and parents kept down in society? You know they probably worked hard for their status, good for them, but guess at whose expense that was from? I mean it had absolutely no effect on current society today huh? I mean theres no such thing as alumniship, inheriting land, preferential treament in high positions through connections, blah blah blah.

Whether or not my grandparents were "kept down in society" has little bearing on my situation. In fact, they were poor moonshiners from hillbilly country. And if they did work hard for ther status, why did it cause an expense from some unnamed party? Why does one person's success cost someone else? Are you doing pretty good in life? Who did you put down to get there? Why are you innocent of this, but not my grandparents?

Again, how does the existence of old rich families with prestigious Ivy League backgrounds and large trust funds benefit me as a non-rich white guy and others like me? MAYBE they help get legislation passed that helps other rich folks (Mr. Bush's recent tax cut comes to mind), but that isn't based on race.

 

[Maetryx]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Physical conditions have little to do with current jobs today, other than professional sports of course. Are you suggesting that white people are just simply more intellectually developed?

Is that scientifically impossible? Is there no genetic component to intelligence? Can you respond to this using science?

 

[Maetryx]

Originally posted by: Marshallj
Do you really think that you're going to get the percentages of blacks in government that you want when many blacks are brought up hating politicians? Watch BET sometime, a "cool" guy will be a basketball player or a rapper, who talks in slang. Where's the black Politicians? Where's Colin Powell? Why don't blacks idolize someone who made it in government and is well educated, and speaks proper English? Instead many look at him as being an "Uncle Tom". From watching mainstream media, I'd guess if you don't talk in the latest slang and wear a basketball jersey, you're not cool.

I've mostly agreed with you throughout this thread, but I've gotta do this:

Do you really think that you're going to get the percentages of whites in government that you want when many whites are brought up hating politicians? Watch MTV sometime, a "cool" guy will be a Jackass or a rock star who talks in slang. Where's the white Politicians? Where's John Ashcroft? Why don't whites idolize someone who made it in government and is well educated, and speaks proper English? Instead many [teenagers] look at him as being a.... well they've never heard of him. From watching mainstream media, I'd guess if you don't talk in the latest slang and wear a leather jacket, you're not cool. Go figure.

 

[GreasyBurger]

Probably gay group and middle eastern people. White people are victims of discrimination? This is a joke right?

BTW, I'm American with Japanese descent but not one time in my life I recall that I received Affirmative Action aka special treatment because I'm a minority. But I can tell you that my grandpa and his two brothers served in WW2 with the US Army 100th infantry and one of his brother (my uncle) gave his life on the beach of Normandy while their families lived in camp and Uncle Sam robbed all their property simply beause they are japanese. Hows that for special treatment?

 

[GreasyBurger]

Originally posted by: Maetryx

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Physical conditions have little to do with current jobs today, other than professional sports of course. Are you suggesting that white people are just simply more intellectually developed?

Is that scientifically impossible? Is there no genetic component to intelligence? Can you respond to this using science?

I kinda wonder the same thing.

 

[Moonbeam]

Is this thread about a race to the bottom? I bet it is because everybody feels like the worst in the world.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

I suppose I unfairly lashed out against you and I apologize, but it is truly disheartining at the fact that people believe white people are being THE most discriminated against. Affirmative action is wrong IMO, but seriously it affects probably only around 1% of the population and pales in comparison to all the hate crimes happening in the country.

Yeah, I don't know why people voted that way either. I voted for Middle Easterner in the US.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Maetryx

Do you really think that you're going to get the percentages of whites in government that you want when many whites are brought up hating politicians? Watch MTV sometime, a "cool" guy will be a Jackass or a rock star who talks in slang. Where's the white Politicians? Where's John Ashcroft? Why don't whites idolize someone who made it in government and is well educated, and speaks proper English? Instead many [teenagers] look at him as being a.... well they've never heard of him. From watching mainstream media, I'd guess if you don't talk in the latest slang and wear a leather jacket, you're not cool. Go figure.

The difference is that MTV is not a "white" station, while BET is a black station. Not all white people watch MTV or believe in its values. I don't. On the other hand, what other station do black people have to watch that caters to them? How many black people do you know that hate BET?

My point is that they don't seem to have a popular alternative.

My hopes are not too high for the MTV generation anyway.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ
the answer to the question is DEFINITELY not White male, take everything else out of the discussion and that is still you final answer. It is not white male.

Yeah, I never claimed that white males were the most discriminated against. Some other people voted that way, but I didn't.

I think this poll shows a good illustration of the mentality in the country though. It shows what people are really thinking, but they're afraid to say it. I'm not afraid to voice my opinion, and as a result many people probably will look at me like I'm racist or politically incorrect (even though I voted for Middle Easterner). I'm talking here taking a lot of flak for voicing my opinion even though I didn't vote for the choice that angers most people.

The real racists are the ones who are quiet. They feel a certain way, and will vote a certain way when they can remain totally anonymous, but won't be caught dead talking about it.

 

[Tom]

As a white person I'm ashamed that white is the leader in this poll. We still have by far the most advantages in this country, many of them undeserved and based on racism.

 

[Moonbeam]

Dead Parrot, perhaps my post will be meaningful to you:

"Is this thread about a race to the bottom? I bet it is because everybody feels like the worst in the world."

Most of us are white males. While everybody feels it, you may be one of those rare birds that doesn't need to leak it out all over the place unconsciously.

 

[przero]

Dead Parrot Sketch - And those are?

 

[XZeroII]

White males between the ages of 18 and 46

 

[johnjohn320]

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Gays, because people don't have to be quiet about it if they're against gays. Nobody seems too terribly concerned about discrimination against gays, so you say whatever you want about them and people won't care (many of them will agree with you).

You can call someone a lovely human, you can't call them a n!gger. (case in point, AT blocks the word "n!gger" but not "lovely human.")

I don't know where you're from but calling anyone a lovely human will get the whole community, straight and gay, lashing out against you..

I'm from Chicago. I'm not talking about a politician in pubic speaking or anything, I'm talking about casual conversation. "Yeah man, that's gay. That kid's a i love you." I'd like to say it's just dumb middle schoolers who talk this way, but unfortunately I hear a lot of adults who aren't much better.

I'd also like to ad that my school paper (I'm in high school) recently printed an article entitled "Gay Students Face Discrimination at [My School]." It started all kinds of controversey, because while some of the gay students interviewed asked to remain anonymous, others didn't. This shocked the administration at my school. My best friend's mother read the article and said "who in the world would go into the school paper and admit they're gay!?" to which I simply responded "gay people."

It's amazing how homophobic everyone is, as if their kids turning out gay is worse than death. And it all links back to that "God told me it was wrong" BS.