POLL: What is the most discriminated group in America today?

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: Maetryx
First, no one implied that there is tons of discrimination out there just because they voted in the poll. The question was asked, and some people selected "whites" as the most discriminated againt. The shrill reaction to the poll is kind of amusing. The knee jerk shouting of "ignorance" is typical. If there were 10 cases against white, and 5 cases against some minority group, the happy news is that there isn't that much going on. But the poll result would still say "whites" are the "most" discriminated against.

In fact I voted "whites", but I was also considering "gays". One reason I chose "white" is because if I were a black female with my identical credentials (engineering degree, 10 years of experience) then I would be a particularly hot commodity due to the undeniable skewing affect of the affirmative action culture. As it is, I'm a white male and I am a regular commodity.

My sister-in-law (white) ended up going to medical school overseas because she could not get into a med school with her good credentials. If she were a racial minority, she could have selected any medical school in this country (United States).

So don't panic when white people select "white" on this poll. White people are tired of being the neutral background in which non-whites congregate into racial special interest groups. The poll results aren't the result of ignorance. It ought to embarass the shouters of racial status quo that they have to resort immediately to name calling.

there is a time and place for name calling, that time and place is when the statements are soo audacious and so lacking in reason that it becomes clear the only possible response is name calling.

go back thru my threads, you'll see i have said many things against blacks and other minorities that were considered racist. But even as i made those statements there was NO question in my mind that minorities are discriminated against MORE than whites.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Maetryx
First, no one implied that there is tons of discrimination out there just because they voted in the poll. The question was asked, and some people selected "whites" as the most discriminated againt. The shrill reaction to the poll is kind of amusing. The knee jerk shouting of "ignorance" is typical. If there were 10 cases against white, and 5 cases against some minority group, the happy news is that there isn't that much going on. But the poll result would still say "whites" are the "most" discriminated against.

In fact I voted "whites", but I was also considering "gays". One reason I chose "white" is because if I were a black female with my identical credentials (engineering degree, 10 years of experience) then I would be a particularly hot commodity due to the undeniable skewing affect of the affirmative action culture. As it is, I'm a white male and I am a regular commodity.

My sister-in-law (white) ended up going to medical school overseas because she could not get into a med school with her good credentials. If she were a racial minority, she could have selected any medical school in this country (United States).

So don't panic when white people select "white" on this poll. White people are tired of being the neutral background in which non-whites congregate into racial special interest groups. The poll results aren't the result of ignorance. It ought to embarass the shouters of racial status quo that they have to resort immediately to name calling.

So i was right... your sister was a failure, and instead of owning up to the responsibility that her grades and credentials weren't good enough, she just attributed it to being white.

 

[Moonbeam]

The wise, of course.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
The 99.9% of the white population that are working class and not terribly affluent are lumped in with the 0.1% mostly-white super-rich who do control the corporations and familiy fortunes. Your ancestors might have been enslaved, but mine were kept in grinding poverty as "indentured servants" and tenant farmers by some of the same rich oppressors.

WRONG, the .01% that you are referring to DOES choose white over minorities if faced with the choice. THEY do discriminate hence affirmative action.

Oh come on. The 23-year-old HR person earning $30K/year doing the hiring is far less likely to be a closet racist than the 65-year-old geezer in the boardroom. That person is also far, far less likely to be white.

and you KNOW better than that Dave. the 65 yr old geezer is MUCH more likely to choose white executives. those white executives tend to choose white middle management. . .

Yeah, I was about to edit my post to give in on that point -- I do have to agree there is still discrimination above the middle-management layer. The glass ceiling / old white boys club is still in session.

I do have some hope that our friend the Grim Reaper will help take care of that to a large degree, as the geezers who grew up before the civil rights movement die off and are replaced by people who grew up after the 70's. Even though some of them will still be racists, many of those will act as if they aren't (inlcuding hiring non-whites) to keep their racism secret.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: glugglug
Dr. Smooth has a point.

You need to add "ugly people" to the poll.

if your gonna go there, how about short people or fat people.

 

[jagr10]

I think anyone who's butt ugly gets discriminated against. It's a fact. Doesn't matter what colour you are. If you're ugly you're at a disadvantage.

 

[grrl]

I voted blacks.

I'm surprised so many are voting for gays. I just can't agree. One of the most offensively stupid lines I've ever heard was the leader of a gay rights group claim "Gays are the n*ggers of the 90s." Sexual orientation isn't obvious, skin color is. Despite the lack of legal recognition gay couples may get, I think blacks still get discriminated against more often and in more ways.

 

[JetBlack69]

Originally posted by: Passner
You guys ever hear of Jews?

for the record, I voted for gays.

 

[Dragnov]

Originally posted by: Maetryx
First, no one implied that there is tons of discrimination out there just because they voted in the poll. The question was asked, and some people selected "whites" as the most discriminated againt. The shrill reaction to the poll is kind of amusing. The knee jerk shouting of "ignorance" is typical. If there were 10 cases against white, and 5 cases against some minority group, the happy news is that there isn't that much going on. But the poll result would still say "whites" are the "most" discriminated against.

In fact I voted "whites", but I was also considering "gays". One reason I chose "white" is because if I were a black female with my identical credentials (engineering degree, 10 years of experience) then I would be a particularly hot commodity due to the undeniable skewing affect of the affirmative action culture. As it is, I'm a white male and I am a regular commodity.

My sister-in-law (white) ended up going to medical school overseas because she could not get into a med school with her good credentials. If she were a racial minority, she could have selected any medical school in this country (United States).

So don't panic when white people select "white" on this poll. White people are tired of being the neutral background in which non-whites congregate into racial special interest groups. The poll results aren't the result of ignorance. It ought to embarass the shouters of racial status quo that they have to resort immediately to name calling.

Right, that 1% of the minorities that are benefiting from affirmative action is really detracting your opportunites. Oh noooooo!!!

"Today 1 in 4 Americans is either Black, Hispanic, or Native American; however in medical school these groups comprise only:

· 1 in 10 medical students,
· 3 in 100 faculty members, and
· 1 in 100 full professors. "

I'm sure its because white people are just smarter and harder working though. You know, they take personal responsibility the most and all. I'm sure your sister didn't get into med school because of that minority that stole her position, not because she just didn't get beat out.

It's funny how you place the blame on minorities such as black, instead of looking to solve to the problem of the rich, white people who you say is not respresentative of you.

 

[johnjohn320]

Gays, because people don't have to be quiet about it if they're against gays. Nobody seems too terribly concerned about discrimination against gays, so you say whatever you want about them and people won't care (many of them will agree with you).

You can call someone a lovely human, you can't call them a n!gger. (case in point, AT blocks the word "n!gger" but not "lovely human.")

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: Maetryx
First, no one implied that there is tons of discrimination out there just because they voted in the poll. The question was asked, and some people selected "whites" as the most discriminated againt. The shrill reaction to the poll is kind of amusing. The knee jerk shouting of "ignorance" is typical. If there were 10 cases against white, and 5 cases against some minority group, the happy news is that there isn't that much going on. But the poll result would still say "whites" are the "most" discriminated against.

In fact I voted "whites", but I was also considering "gays". One reason I chose "white" is because if I were a black female with my identical credentials (engineering degree, 10 years of experience) then I would be a particularly hot commodity due to the undeniable skewing affect of the affirmative action culture. As it is, I'm a white male and I am a regular commodity.

My sister-in-law (white) ended up going to medical school overseas because she could not get into a med school with her good credentials. If she were a racial minority, she could have selected any medical school in this country (United States).

So don't panic when white people select "white" on this poll. White people are tired of being the neutral background in which non-whites congregate into racial special interest groups. The poll results aren't the result of ignorance. It ought to embarass the shouters of racial status quo that they have to resort immediately to name calling.

Um, you do realize that AA is banned in most public education institutions

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Gays, because people don't have to be quiet about it if they're against gays. Nobody seems too terribly concerned about discrimination against gays, so you say whatever you want about them and people won't care (many of them will agree with you).

You can call someone a lovely human, you can't call them a n!gger. (case in point, AT blocks the word "n!gger" but not "lovely human.")

I don't know where you're from but calling anyone a lovely human will get the whole community, straight and gay, lashing out against you..

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: Syringer
Um, you do realize that AA is banned in most public education institutions

Um, you do realize that schools do consider race when making admission decisions? It's AA just under other names.

Most schools also have non-white-only scholarships in addition to the scholarships that are open to all.

The federal government also has graduate merit scholarships set aside for women and minorities, such as with the NSF's National Merit Scholars program.

It's AA if out of 10 equally-qualified school or scholarship applicants, 8 are excluded from consideration because they are white.

Again, I'm not against affirmative action, but I don't pretend it doesn't exist because it's under a different name.

 

[Conky]

In the jobplace today the white males are the blacks of fifty or sixty years ago. Nobody will hire them unless they are desperate and then they usually only get hired on temporarily until they can find a suitable non-white person, preferably female to cover even more quotas. It's perfectly fine to tell to a white man to look elsewhere for a job even if he is the best qualified person for the job. It doesn't seem wrong unless you are a white male.

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
WASP males.

 

[QueHuong]

Wow, it looks like a lot of white people are having that "Pity me, I'm victimized" syndrome that they accuse the minorities of. I guess I see why many people feel that way, considering how the threat of equality is jeopardizing their self-appointed place at the top.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: MindStorm
Wow, it looks like a lot of white people are having that "Pity me, I'm victimized" syndrome that they accuse the minorities of.

Just like that whiney Rosa Parks, right?

Wrong is wrong, no matter how much you enjoy it.

 

[Spac3d]

Originally posted by: MindStorm
Wow, it looks like a lot of white people are having that "Pity me, I'm victimized" syndrome that they accuse the minorities of. I guess I see why many people feel that way, considering how the threat of equality is jeopardizing their self-appointed place at the top.

You are dead on.

 

[QueHuong]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: MindStorm
Wow, it looks like a lot of white people are having that "Pity me, I'm victimized" syndrome that they accuse the minorities of.

Just like that whiney Rosa Parks, right?

Wrong is wrong, no matter how much you enjoy it.

I'll tell what. Until white males are lynched, have one of their customs illegalized to curtail more of their own people from immigrating, all suspected of being terrorists and are treated as such, paid diddly-squat to do grueling work, tied to a fence and beaten to death for being sexually attracted to a certain group of people, and paid 20% less than women, then I may just reconsider the highly popular belief that white males may be the most discriminated against today.

 

[Maetryx]

1) I don't think there is much discimination going on in this country to anyone.
2) I am not (nor did I claim to be) a victim.
3) The fact remains that if I am a black female (all else being equal) I would have an even greater marketability than I already enjoy as an engineer with 10 years experience. Since there isn't much discrimination going on, this is an example of a type that is occuring: artificial value placed on non-whiteness and non-maleness.
4) My sister-in-law told me that she could not get accepted at some medical schools, but that non-whites with lesser credentials were getting accepted. She graduated from medical school in Ireland last week. She does not appear to be a failure. It is logically impossible for me to debunk her personal experience (i.e. I can either believe her or not like when someone tells you that they had a dream). I choose to believe her.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
In the jobplace today the white males are the blacks of fifty or sixty years ago. Nobody will hire them unless they are desperate and then they usually only get hired on temporarily until they can find a suitable non-white person, preferably female to cover even more quotas. It's perfectly fine to tell to a white man to look elsewhere for a job even if he is the best qualified person for the job. It doesn't seem wrong unless you are a white male.

LOL damn. Are you just saying this to stir up controversy, or are you really that delusional?

 

[Looney]

4) My sister-in-law told me that she could not get accepted at some medical schools, but that non-whites with lesser credentials were getting accepted. She graduated from medical school in Ireland last week. She does not appear to be a failure. It is logically impossible for me to debunk her personal experience (i.e. I can either believe her or not like when someone tells you that they had a dream). I choose to believe her.

If the requirement to get into Medical school was to have a 3.8 GPA, and your sister-in-law got a 3.5 and didn't get in... i would consider that a failure. She didn't get in because she didn't meet the requirements... NOT because she's white.

3) The fact remains that if I am a black female (all else being equal) I would have an even greater marketability than I already enjoy as an engineer with 10 years experience. Since there isn't much discrimination going on, this is an example of a type that is occuring: artificial value placed on non-whiteness and non-maleness.

And women don't get discriminated? It's a known FACT that women make less than men in the workplace, even in engineering.

The fact that you guys think that white males are THE MOST DISCRIMINATED group in America just boggles the mind.

 

[StormRider]

Guys with small penises are the most discriminated group in America today.

 

[Maetryx]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

The fact that you guys think that white males are THE MOST DISCRIMINATED group in America just boggles the mind.

Perhaps we're wrong. I'm coming from the angle that affirmative action, and preferences in government contracts for women and minority owned businesses are part of the legal structure in our country. Therefore, the number of occurences of preference given to a non-white under affirmative action, or a minority/women owned business is something that could probably be calculated.

Assuming that preference for non-whites is discrimination against whites, then I think that number is quite high. If I gave preference to whites for hiring or letting contracts, I assume that it would be generally agreed that I was discriminating against non-white groups.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Maetryx

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

The fact that you guys think that white males are THE MOST DISCRIMINATED group in America just boggles the mind.

Perhaps we're wrong. I'm coming from the angle that affirmative action, and preferences in government contracts for women and minority owned businesses are part of the legal structure in our country. Therefore, the number of occurences of preference given to a non-white under affirmative action, or a minority/women owned business is something that could probably be calculated.

Assuming that preference for non-whites is discrimination against whites, then I think that number is quite high. If I gave preference to whites for hiring or letting contracts, I assume that it would be generally agreed that I was discriminating against non-white groups.

Don't start using logic... that's not gonna work with this crowd.