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Poll : Spanking Children

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Originally posted by: Ornery
Because human children != animals maybe?

So, children need to be trained more harshly? Gotcha!

Also, the school system has changed dramatically since the early 50s and 60s.

For the better, therefore no corporal punishment? Gotcha!



for the better? higher fail rate, girls giving blow jobs in the bathroom, kids coming in and shooting up the schools...

yea, sounds like the perfect learning environment to me.....
 
Ornery...ROFL @ you

The best way to discipline a child is through spanking as well as other means. Timeouts are bullshit. You can't do stuff like that only...sure a good grounding is all well and good for some problems. But timeouts used for everything is ridiculous. Groundings too. You need some good spanking in there.

Take two kids...who will walk all over their mom...she just does timeouts and that bullshit. The same two kids at my parents house, are the best behaved kids you've ever seen because they know the consequences if they misbehave when my dad is around. They keep up with their bullshit at home because they know they can get away with it. Timeouts mean nothing to them. They don't care. It doesn't correct the problem either.
 
higher fail rate, girls giving blow jobs in the bathroom, kids coming in and shooting up the schools...

So, why not use corporal punishment? Seems like the perfect solution!


Wherethefvck did I EVER mention timeouts, clown?
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Because human children != animals maybe?

So, children need to be trained more harshly? Gotcha!

Also, the school system has changed dramatically since the early 50s and 60s.

For the better, therefore no corporal punishment? Gotcha!


lazy parenting??? ROFL

Yep, parents too damn lazy to redirect their kids (better known as teaching and instructing), find it much quicker and easier to just smack them. Yeah, it's hilarious. :roll:



you have to be trolling now.

Originally posted by: shimsham

besides, lets not assume that those of us who have spanked do it without other forms of discipline. spanking was/has always been, in my home, reserved for when they know they have done wrong, yet choose to do it anyway. they want to test the waters, they will get wet.

2 children, 1 boy 1 girl, both in the gifted program, straight A students, teachers pets, well behaved and constanly complimented, blah blah blah.

 
Originally posted by: Ornery
higher fail rate, girls giving blow jobs in the bathroom, kids coming in and shooting up the schools...

So, why not use corporal punishment? Seems like the perfect solution!


Wherethefvck did I EVER mention timeouts, clown?

Timeouts or any other type of passive bullshit are all the same.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
higher fail rate, girls giving blow jobs in the bathroom, kids coming in and shooting up the schools...

So, why not use corporal punishment? Seems like the perfect solution!


Wherethefvck did I EVER mention timeouts, clown?



shitferbrains? yes, youre so enlightened i must subscribe to your news letter.


attack the messenger when you cant attack the message.

edit: nice edit......
 
Originally posted by: Ornery

  1. ...passive bullshit...
It also just occurred to me that men used to beat their wives pretty routinely with excellent results. Still do in many parts of the world!

Yes....responding to everything with some method of teaching does nothing.

I'm talking about discipline for a kid...not how you think they should be taught in a classroom or whatever.
 
...so spousal abuse is the same as spanking now?

"Abuse" is relative.


Yes....responding to everything with some method of teaching does nothing.

Do your kids a favor and READ that! It's a method of teaching, which IS discipline!


I'm talking about discipline for a kid...not how you think they should be taught in a classroom or whatever.

Man, you've got a LOT of reading to do!


It's all well and good to smack a kid at home when it suits you, but our school's teachers are not permitted the same luxury today, even though they did in the past with excellent results (yes, that's sarcasm).
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
...so spousal abuse is the same as spanking now?

"Abuse" is relative.


Yes....responding to everything with some method of teaching does nothing.

Do your kids a favor and READ that! It's a method of teaching, which IS discipline!


I'm talking about discipline for a kid...not how you think they should be taught in a classroom or whatever.

Man, you've got a LOT of reading to do!


It's all well and good to smack a kid at home when it suits you, but our school's teachers are not permitted the same luxury today, even though they did in the past with excellent results (yes, that's sarcasm).

No the teachers don't....but I behaved in school. Why? Because if I didn't my dad would know about it and I'd get a whipping when I got home.

I saw nothing about punishment in the overview of all that crap. I'm not going to read pages and pages and pages and pages of drivel.

Doing kids a favor means not sparing the rod.

I've seen the results. They show that spanking does wonders for a child.
 
Anyone that doesn't spank is a sissy. Negative reinforcement doesn't work so well with adults, but with children, its golden.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
...so spousal abuse is the same as spanking now?

"Abuse" is relative.


Yes....responding to everything with some method of teaching does nothing.

Do your kids a favor and READ that! It's a method of teaching, which IS discipline!


I'm talking about discipline for a kid...not how you think they should be taught in a classroom or whatever.

Man, you've got a LOT of reading to do!


It's all well and good to smack a kid at home when it suits you, but our school's teachers are not permitted the same luxury today, even though they did in the past with excellent results (yes, that's sarcasm).


abuse is relative, but method of discipline is not?

whatever. youre a tool and a moron. im done here.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
WTF? Did you flunk out of remedial 3rd grade logic and reading comprehension?

Good answer, Einstein. :roll:

Wow, you may have flunked logic, but I see you aced 3rd grade Retorts and Comebacks! :laugh:
 
Let's see if I got this straight:
  1. Public schools are not allowed corporal punishment, but it's OK for YOU to hit your kid.
  2. Hitting your spouse would be considered "abuse", but it's OK for YOU to hit your kid.
  3. Hitting your coworker or employee would be a criminal offence, but it's OK for YOU to hit your kid.
  4. Professional trainers DO NOT hit their animals, but it's OK for YOU to hit your kid.
It's a dim reflection on the parenting abilities of any adult who has to resort to hitting babies, toddlers, and young children. If a dumb animal can learn without striking it, there's no reason why a human can't. In fact, they CAN and DO learn discipline without ever being struck in any way. It IS possible!

Parents fail to discipline their kids, as well as succeed using either method. The real issue is, which is the preferable method? With a little education, parents can raise kids who learn on their own, without the yelling, hitting, back talking, arguing or any lack of respect. But, who wants to put forth the effort to learn how to accomplish that? :roll:

 
A reasonable spank on the bottom or back of the legs? Okay.

Slapping a child across the face, leaving welts, blood, or bruises? Not okay.

There is a difference between spanking firmly for punishment and willful cruelty/unjustifiable punishment/child abuse.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Let's see if I got this straight:
  1. Public schools are not allowed corporal punishment, but it's OK for YOU to hit your kid.
  2. Hitting your spouse would be considered "abuse", but it's OK for YOU to hit your kid.
  3. Hitting your coworker or employee would be a criminal offence, but it's OK for YOU to hit your kid.
  4. Professional trainers DO NOT hit their animals, but it's OK for YOU to hit your kid.
It's a dim reflection on the parenting abilities of any adult who has to resort to hitting babies, toddlers, and young children. If a dumb animal can learn without striking it, there's no reason why a human can't. In fact, they CAN and DO learn discipline without ever being struck in any way. It IS possible!

Parents fail to discipline their kids, as well as succeed using either method. The real issue is, which is the preferable method? With a little education, parents can raise kids who learn on their own, without the yelling, hitting, back talking, arguing or any lack of respect. But, who wants to put forth the effort to learn how to accomplish that? :roll:

It's not that. Kids make mistakes in schools, and it's only when you grow up that you can look back and say wow I was a little kid back then.

I remember back in high school (freshman or sophomore year maybe), I looked back at Jr High and Elementary school and I thought how stupid and immature I was. I looked around and I thought that I was now at a decently mature age, and that hey I was well educated. I knew what was going on in this world, and I participated in mature discussions. Fast forward two years into senior year and I looked back and I say how dumb I was.

Forward to college and I look back and ask myself how I declared a major back in senior year. Even today I can't say for certain what I want.

The thing is that you yell at kids and they only absorb so much. Education only gets so far. They don't understand everything you understand as an adult. Lecturing kids is insanely hard. I tutor kids at least twice a week (6th and 8th graders) and I feel like the lecture is a good way to teach kids in that it throws information at them, but how well do they really understand me? Not too well probably. So the thing is, beating helps keep them in line because they can't grasp a lecture at that age yet... THus a beating is necessary, but education is necessary as well...
 
Not spanking your kids is what's lazy. It's for parents who don't have the cojones to deal with the immediate hurt of their children and teach them that you are benefitting them in the long run. It takes real effort and dilligence to be able to make sure your kids learn something fully, even if you have to deal with the hurt of watching them in (non-damaging) pain or distress as they learn.

Today's pvssied parents are so adverse to letting anything "bad" happen to their "precious angels," that they willingly sacrifice much needed discipline just so they don't have to deal with the short-term effects (pure laziness.) They all about being their children's "friends," probably due to the fact that so many are only ~15 years older than their kids. :disgust:
 
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