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Poll : Spanking Children

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: Ornery
Originally posted by: dainthomas

Discipline is derived from the Latin "to teach". What are you teaching someone by hitting them?
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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Ornery

It teaches kids discipline.

Spanking is punishment, not discipline.
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They go hand-in-hand. You can't have one without the other. Don't want punishment for doing something wrong? Learn to discipline yourself to do the right thing.
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Wrong, lugnut. You can have spanking and STILL not have discipline. You can have discipline with no spanking or punishment at all. I know, I've raised two boys well into their teens. You?

If you boneheads would spend as much time learning, as you spend posting here, your kids might have a halfway decent, peaceful, upbringing!
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Man, you certainly live up to your username, don't you? I guess they wouldn't let you add the "Sh1thead" surname though, huh? :laugh:

If we're going to stick to using meaningless, anecdotal examples, let me go ahead and use 2 of my own. Both my kids were spanked as appropriate when they were young, and they both have above-average intellegence, superior school performance, accepted social abilities, and are often praised for being such "curteous, well behaved young adults."

What does that mean? Exactly jack-sh1t - same as your examples. :roll:
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yep.

besides, lets not assume that those of us who have spanked do it without other forms of discipline. spanking was/has always been, in my home, reserved for when they know they have done wrong, yet choose to do it anyway. they want to test the waters, they will get wet.

2 children, 1 boy 1 girl, both in the gifted program, straight A students, teachers pets, well behaved and constanly complimented, blah blah blah.

 
I "Swat" my boys every once in a great while. More just to get their attention, or as a last resort, wen all else fails. No more than 3 swats, using my hand. but never with a belt or switch or whipping stick etc.. I figure if it gets to the point where it hurts my hand, i'm swatting too hard.

I got beat when I was little, so I really make sure that doesn't carry over to my children.
 
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Man, you certainly live up to your username, don't you? I guess they wouldn't let you add the "Sh1thead" surname though, huh? :laugh:

If we're going to stick to using meaningless, anecdotal examples, let me go ahead and use 2 of my own. Both my kids were spanked as appropriate when they were young, and they both have above-average intellegence, superior school performance, accepted social abilities, and are often praised for being such "curteous, well behaved young adults."

What does that mean? Exactly jack-sh1t - same as your examples. :roll:
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Anecdotal examples? I don't see any links to anything in YOUR "examples".

Answer this: Why is spanking NOT allowed in school? Would prefer it were allowed? To your kids? Best way to train an animal?

 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Man, you certainly live up to your username, don't you? I guess they wouldn't let you add the "Sh1thead" surname though, huh? :laugh:

If we're going to stick to using meaningless, anecdotal examples, let me go ahead and use 2 of my own. Both my kids were spanked as appropriate when they were young, and they both have above-average intellegence, superior school performance, accepted social abilities, and are often praised for being such "curteous, well behaved young adults."

What does that mean? Exactly jack-sh1t - same as your examples. :roll:
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Anecdotal examples? I don't see any links to anything in YOUR "examples".

Answer this: Why is spanking NOT allowed in school? Would prefer it were allowed? To your kids? Best way to train an animal?
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so you trust public education to know whats best for your child? spanking or no?

whats with the link to training dogs? you equate children to animals?
 
Originally posted by: Bryan
I'd be interested in seeing this poll with 4 options; "Yes, and I have kids" "No, and I don't have kids" etc etc
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I don't spank and I have a kid... 2 come September.
 
Originally posted by: shimsham

so you trust public education to know whats best for your child? spanking or no?

whats with the link to training dogs? you equate children to animals?
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Hah! If that's the BEST way to discipline, then it should be a tool at your teacher's disposal, no?

If hitting is NOT the best way to train an animal, what makes it best for your kids?
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Originally posted by: shimsham

so you trust public education to know whats best for your child? spanking or no?

whats with the link to training dogs? you equate children to animals?
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Hah! If that's the BEST way to discipline, then it should be a tool at your teacher's disposal, no?

If hitting is NOT the best way to train an animal, what makes it best for your kids?
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WTF? Did you flunk out of remedial 3rd grade logic and reading comprehension?
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Originally posted by: shimsham

so you trust public education to know whats best for your child? spanking or no?

whats with the link to training dogs? you equate children to animals?
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Hah! If that's the BEST way to discipline, then it should be a tool at your teacher's disposal, no?

If hitting is NOT the best way to train an animal, what makes it best for your kids?
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who said anything about it being best for kids or animals? no broad solution is best for any child, or animal for that matter.

you said "Why is spanking NOT allowed in school?" allowed or no, i dont trust most employees of the public education system with my dog, much less my child.....

but hey, youre such the master parent i guess its easy to put your faith in that system.
 
WTF? Did you flunk out of remedial 3rd grade logic and reading comprehension?

Good answer, Einstein. :roll:
Originally posted by: shimsham

who said anything about it being best for kids or animals? no broad solution is best for any child, or animal for that matter.

you said "Why is spanking NOT allowed in school?" allowed or no, i dont trust most employees of the public education system with my dog, much less my child.....

but hey, youre such the master parent i guess its easy to put your faith in that system.
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It's not even "good" for either, let alone best. It has no place in this age. It's plain barbaric, and its time has passed.

Most of our best scientists, CEOs and entrepreneurs over 40 years old were "disciplined" in public schools, which used corporal punishment, and they turned out just fine. So, if it was good enough for them, why not our kids?
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
WTF? Did you flunk out of remedial 3rd grade logic and reading comprehension?

Good answer, Einstein. :roll:
Originally posted by: shimsham

who said anything about it being best for kids or animals? no broad solution is best for any child, or animal for that matter.

you said "Why is spanking NOT allowed in school?" allowed or no, i dont trust most employees of the public education system with my dog, much less my child.....

but hey, youre such the master parent i guess its easy to put your faith in that system.
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It's not even "good" for either, let alone best. It has no place in this age. It's plain barbaric, and time has passed.

Most of our best scientists, CEOs and entrepreneurs over 40 years old were "disciplined" in public schools, which used corporal punishment, and they turned out just fine. So, if it was good enough for them, why not our kids?
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now you make no sense. the best were disciplined in schools using corporal punishment, spanking, and they turned out fine. so why are you saying its not a viable option, if it worked for them?

and when did you become the end all for whats best for children? for 1000s of years it has been used and hasnt been a problem. its only been in the last 30 or so years thats its fallen out of acceptance, and look where that has left us.
 
now you make no sense. the best were disciplined in schools using corporal punishment, spanking, and they turned out fine. so why are you saying its not a viable option, if it worked for them?

I was being sarcastic, unlike you in the following:

and when did you become the end all for whats best for children? for 1000s of years it has been used and hasnt been a problem. its only been in the last 30 or so years thats its fallen out of acceptance, and look where that has left us.

It's been used for thousands of years, and still is in some countries, yet it's not OK for it to be used in our schools today, ESPECIALLY not with YOUR kids!
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
now you make no sense. the best were disciplined in schools using corporal punishment, spanking, and they turned out fine. so why are you saying its not a viable option, if it worked for them?

I was being sarcastic, unlike you in the following:

and when did you become the end all for whats best for children? for 1000s of years it has been used and hasnt been a problem. its only been in the last 30 or so years thats its fallen out of acceptance, and look where that has left us.

It's been used for thousands of years, and still is in some countries, yet it's not OK for it to be used in our schools today, ESPECIALLY not with YOUR kids!
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i didnt even bring up schools, you did trying to correlate the fact that since it isnt used in schools then it must not be viable.

i dont want someone spanking my kids unless its approved by me, which is what happened when i was spanked in school. they called my parents first to explain why they thought it was warranted. only 1 time did they refuse, and as an adult i can say i deserved every one i got. and the one i got when i got home.

you have any evidence to show any correlation between those successful figures and the lack of spanking?

and youre 100% correct. i wasnt being sarcatstic at all.
 
Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: Ornery
WTF? Did you flunk out of remedial 3rd grade logic and reading comprehension?

Good answer, Einstein. :roll:
Originally posted by: shimsham

who said anything about it being best for kids or animals? no broad solution is best for any child, or animal for that matter.

you said "Why is spanking NOT allowed in school?" allowed or no, i dont trust most employees of the public education system with my dog, much less my child.....

but hey, youre such the master parent i guess its easy to put your faith in that system.
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It's not even "good" for either, let alone best. It has no place in this age. It's plain barbaric, and time has passed.

Most of our best scientists, CEOs and entrepreneurs over 40 years old were "disciplined" in public schools, which used corporal punishment, and they turned out just fine. So, if it was good enough for them, why not our kids?
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now you make no sense. the best were disciplined in schools using corporal punishment, spanking, and they turned out fine. so why are you saying its not a viable option, if it worked for them?

and when did you become the end all for whats best for children? for 1000s of years it has been used and hasnt been a problem. its only been in the last 30 or so years thats its fallen out of acceptance, and look where that has left us.
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Amen.
 
...trying to correlate the fact that since it isnt used in schools...

No, I was asking YOU, why it isn't used in schools if it's so effective.

Those successful figures DID get spanked, at school, WITHOUT parent's permission, yet that doesn't suit you and your kids. :roll:

Oh, and the best animal trainers in the world get the job done without hitting their animals. How can that be? 😕
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
...trying to correlate the fact that since it isnt used in schools...

No, I was asking YOU, why it isn't used in schools if it's so effective.

Those successful figures DID get spanked, at school, WITHOUT parent's permission, yet that doesn't suit you and your kids. :roll:

Oh, and the best animal trainers in the world get the job done without hitting their animals. How can that be? 😕
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Because human children != animals maybe?

Also, the school system has changed dramatically since the early 50s and 60s.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
...trying to correlate the fact that since it isnt used in schools...

No, I was asking YOU, why it isn't used in schools if it's so effective.

Those successful figures DID get spanked, at school, WITHOUT parent's permission, yet that doesn't suit you and your kids. :roll:
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one reason corporal punishment isnt used in schools anymore is because parents want to act like its assault and battery if someone lays a hand on their child. another facet of the victim mentality that stems from the abandonment of consequences for actions taken that is so prevelant in our society.

another reason, and the one for me personally, is the parent teacher relationship is totally different now. with most households having both parents working, and class sizes growing each year, its not feasible for most teachers and parents to create that relationship which allows that type of trust.

one must also account for the fact that most kids didnt do the crap in school that they do now, and those that did knew full well what would happen. these days, kids dont give a shat about getting in trouble at school, and then at home, because they know the consequences will be negligent compared to the "fun" they can have being a brat.
 
Because human children != animals maybe?

So, children need to be trained more harshly? Gotcha!

Also, the school system has changed dramatically since the early 50s and 60s.

For the better, therefore no corporal punishment? Gotcha!


lazy parenting??? ROFL

Yep, parents too damn lazy to redirect their kids (better known as teaching and instructing), find it much quicker and easier to just smack them. Yeah, it's hilarious. :roll:
 
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