<< I also know 30-40 year olds who can not make sound judements in life either. >>
Point taken, but there is a time and a place for drinking, and I just feel that people 30-40 can handle it a little better than those 18-20.
You don't have to agree with me... this is just my opinion. I think people should earn their priveleges... not have them handed over at a certain age just because they're legally required to.
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I can accept the belief that the government shouldn't step in and tell me what I can and can't do to my body.
BUT - The government is also there to try and protect my ass from the fscktards that don't have the faintest clue about responsibility. Recently exiting out of college, I can say that a VAST majority of kids, and yes they are kids, ages 18-21 don't have the faintest idea what the hell responsibility is.
Yes I know that if somebody really wants to obtain alcohol, they will find a way. But, keeping it at 18 just makes it that much harder and an inconvenience to get it.
BTW, I'm 23, and yes a do drink quite frequently, so don't label me as a tight assed, right wing, fundie. I simply know from first hand experience that a large percentage of kids in that group would do themselves more harm than good if the age was lowered.
Oh, and I'm also all for raising the smoking age to 21 as well.
BUT - The government is also there to try and protect my ass from the fscktards that don't have the faintest clue about responsibility. Recently exiting out of college, I can say that a VAST majority of kids, and yes they are kids, ages 18-21 don't have the faintest idea what the hell responsibility is.
Yes I know that if somebody really wants to obtain alcohol, they will find a way. But, keeping it at 18 just makes it that much harder and an inconvenience to get it.
BTW, I'm 23, and yes a do drink quite frequently, so don't label me as a tight assed, right wing, fundie. I simply know from first hand experience that a large percentage of kids in that group would do themselves more harm than good if the age was lowered.
Oh, and I'm also all for raising the smoking age to 21 as well.
I would vote for a lower drinking age of 19... my thinking is that it would be a dangerous idea to allow seniors in high school access to alcohol; that would only lead to dangerous under-age drinking from all high-schoolers who had senior friends.....
dew.
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Linflas
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I have the misfortune to remember the 18 year old me and trust not much changed in the 3 years between then and 21. Like most 18 year olds I knew everything and heard nothing I did not want to hear.
<< And Red Dawn is right... we don't want you 18-20 year old dumbasses in nightclubs with us. Nothing is worse than a pile of drunken college freshmen. I don't give a rat's ass if the girls are easier then... if they're that easy, I sure as hell don't want a piece of it. >>
Red was making a joke. A few posts later he expressed his true feelings on the subject:
<< In all seriousness, what good would come out of allowing younger people to consume poison? >>
It is a good point and similar to ones made by some others here. That I disagree is obvious. Alcohol in moderation is no worse than any other substance we consume. Some studies have shown that in moderation it may actually have benefits. I am not advocating that 16 year olds be allowed to purchase and consume alcohol. If they live in a family that serves wine as part of it's culture that is fine but otherwise like any other adult activity I have no issue with not being able to purchase alcohol until age 18. It is the 3 year distinction on this one item of adulthood I have issue with. I do not feel we can tell people that congratulations you are an adult and now have the right to function in society as one with this one little exception because we just don't think you are mature enough to handle it. Interesting debate here and no doubt one we will here more about in the coming years since the issue seems to be coming up more frequently now.
<< And Red Dawn is right... we don't want you 18-20 year old dumbasses in nightclubs with us. Nothing is worse than a pile of drunken college freshmen. I don't give a rat's ass if the girls are easier then... if they're that easy, I sure as hell don't want a piece of it. >>
Red was making a joke. A few posts later he expressed his true feelings on the subject:
<< In all seriousness, what good would come out of allowing younger people to consume poison? >>
It is a good point and similar to ones made by some others here. That I disagree is obvious. Alcohol in moderation is no worse than any other substance we consume. Some studies have shown that in moderation it may actually have benefits. I am not advocating that 16 year olds be allowed to purchase and consume alcohol. If they live in a family that serves wine as part of it's culture that is fine but otherwise like any other adult activity I have no issue with not being able to purchase alcohol until age 18. It is the 3 year distinction on this one item of adulthood I have issue with. I do not feel we can tell people that congratulations you are an adult and now have the right to function in society as one with this one little exception because we just don't think you are mature enough to handle it. Interesting debate here and no doubt one we will here more about in the coming years since the issue seems to be coming up more frequently now.
Colt45
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<< - The government is also there to try and protect my ass from the fscktards that don't have the faintest clue about responsibility. Recently exiting out of college, I can say that a VAST majority of kids, and yes they are kids, ages 18-21 don't have the faintest idea what the hell responsibility is.
>>
the thing is the majority of ALL HUMANS are flucking irresponsible and just don't give a sh|t. its not just the teens..
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Linflas, consider this. How many people learn moderation automatically? Not very many people who do shots the first time or drink mixed drinks the first time have any clue on what moderation is. It can take a person quite a time, as in a year or two, to figure out what their "moderation" (read: tolerance) level is.
We all know that underage people drink. But, by the time they have reached legal drinking ages, many have taught themselves when to say when. I know that after drinking for two or three years from the age of 18 up till I was 21, I learned quite a few hard lessons. By the time I could legally purchase alchol, much of the flair associated with drinking was gone. Now, I'm not saying that it is ALL gone, but you won't see me tapping a keg on sunday nights anymore
Here's where the problem comes into play - if you drop the age to 18, people who have never really drank before are out on the streets stumbling around because of alcohol you can LEGALLY purchase. They haven't had a "break in" period before they could go out and drop their student loan checks at the bar down on the stip. You say that people know moderation. I say they do to, but they have access to the forbidden fruit before they are ready to handle it.
The other issue that I have is that there are MANY 18 year olds who are still in high school. Having somebody who can purchase alcohol legally on the high school football team is just asking for problems as well. Do you have any idea how much of an impact that will have? Just about any roadblocks that were in place for obtaining alchol in highschool have all been but eliminated. We don't need high school seniors able to buy beer for the underclassman.
Proms and Homecomings would be a nightmare(as if they weren't already). It just is not a good idea. 30 years ago many 18 year olds didn't go to college. You hopped out of highschool, got a job, got married, and bought a home. That process had been delayed now. More and more kids are going to college after highschool. It's another 4 years of reckless abandon. It's a time that begs of irresponsibility. Comparing the 18 year old of 25 years ago to the 18 year old of today is a night and day comparison.
Once again, I say that it is just a very bad idea.
We all know that underage people drink. But, by the time they have reached legal drinking ages, many have taught themselves when to say when. I know that after drinking for two or three years from the age of 18 up till I was 21, I learned quite a few hard lessons. By the time I could legally purchase alchol, much of the flair associated with drinking was gone. Now, I'm not saying that it is ALL gone, but you won't see me tapping a keg on sunday nights anymore
Here's where the problem comes into play - if you drop the age to 18, people who have never really drank before are out on the streets stumbling around because of alcohol you can LEGALLY purchase. They haven't had a "break in" period before they could go out and drop their student loan checks at the bar down on the stip. You say that people know moderation. I say they do to, but they have access to the forbidden fruit before they are ready to handle it.
The other issue that I have is that there are MANY 18 year olds who are still in high school. Having somebody who can purchase alcohol legally on the high school football team is just asking for problems as well. Do you have any idea how much of an impact that will have? Just about any roadblocks that were in place for obtaining alchol in highschool have all been but eliminated. We don't need high school seniors able to buy beer for the underclassman.
Proms and Homecomings would be a nightmare(as if they weren't already). It just is not a good idea. 30 years ago many 18 year olds didn't go to college. You hopped out of highschool, got a job, got married, and bought a home. That process had been delayed now. More and more kids are going to college after highschool. It's another 4 years of reckless abandon. It's a time that begs of irresponsibility. Comparing the 18 year old of 25 years ago to the 18 year old of today is a night and day comparison.
Once again, I say that it is just a very bad idea.
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Colt45, your name already proves your personal bias.
It's rather safe to assume that the 14-21 year old age group has a disproportionate number of fscktards. Once you get out of that age group, you look back on those in it and see what you were once like.
Being out of college for a year and a half now, I can hardly bare to go into a bar of a bunch of drunken college kids. It really is a pathetic site.
It's rather safe to assume that the 14-21 year old age group has a disproportionate number of fscktards. Once you get out of that age group, you look back on those in it and see what you were once like.
Being out of college for a year and a half now, I can hardly bare to go into a bar of a bunch of drunken college kids. It really is a pathetic site.
Colt45
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<< Colt45, your name already proves your personal bias.
It's rather safe to assume that the 14-21 year old age group has a disproportionate number of fscktards. Once you get out of that age group, you look back on those in it and see what you were once like.
Being out of college for a year and a half now, I can hardly bare to go into a bar of a bunch of drunken college kids. It really is a pathetic site. >>
you see, everyone here as a personal opinion on alcohol, and in turn it is also a bias.. but no matter what topic, there is stupid people from every walk of life, be it old or young, black or white, male or female..
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Also, a lot of 18 year olds have friends that are younger and you know they'd be buying booze for their 16 and 17 year old buddies. As you kiddies know, it isn't as easy getting someone over 21 to buy you your Zima's and other girly drinks as it is getting your 18 year old buddy too do it.
On top of that, Teenagers are the worse drivers on the Roads. If the drinking age is lowered there'd be more of those Morons Drunk off their ass on Zima's Driving causing greater death and destruction .
On top of that, Teenagers are the worse drivers on the Roads. If the drinking age is lowered there'd be more of those Morons Drunk off their ass on Zima's Driving causing greater death and destruction .
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<< you see, everyone here as a personal opinion on alcohol, and in turn it is also a bias.. but no matter what topic, there is stupid people from every walk of life, be it old or young, black or white, male or female.. >>
Hey it's bad enough that we have Morons over the age of 21 driving drunk. The last thing we need is a bunch of young Morons driving Drunk. A lot of young kids feel like they are indestructable and the combination of Booze, that attitude and the keys to some Ricer is a deadly combination
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Colt45, call it what you will, I just speak from personal experience.
I was an RA for my college as well as a student on the Judicial Council.
Every Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night, as an RA I would have to deal with some drunk fsck that wondered in, didn't remember where his room was, and eventually wound up puking all over the place. I had to clean up sh!t that was smeared all over the walls by some drunk punk who thought it would be fun to finger paint with his own feces. I had to report broken mirrors, light fixtures, towel dispensors. I had to clean up puke and piss. This happened on almost a nightly basis.
I have first hand experience on just how completely irresponsible a drunk 19 year old can be.
After I cleaned up after that drunk fsck I would see him in judicial court and they wouldn't have the faintest idea what they were even there for. They don't remember it because they were too drunk.
Some can handle the responsibility. It's the vast majority of them out there that can't that keeps the age where it is.
I was an RA for my college as well as a student on the Judicial Council.
Every Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night, as an RA I would have to deal with some drunk fsck that wondered in, didn't remember where his room was, and eventually wound up puking all over the place. I had to clean up sh!t that was smeared all over the walls by some drunk punk who thought it would be fun to finger paint with his own feces. I had to report broken mirrors, light fixtures, towel dispensors. I had to clean up puke and piss. This happened on almost a nightly basis.
I have first hand experience on just how completely irresponsible a drunk 19 year old can be.
After I cleaned up after that drunk fsck I would see him in judicial court and they wouldn't have the faintest idea what they were even there for. They don't remember it because they were too drunk.
Some can handle the responsibility. It's the vast majority of them out there that can't that keeps the age where it is.
Colt45
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red dawn, you have a good point, but i know plenty of kids that dont feel indestructable. why should we have to take it out on everyone?
its like putting everyone on house arrest so they don't go out and murder someone.. some people will, but you don't punish the whole population for it.
its like putting everyone on house arrest so they don't go out and murder someone.. some people will, but you don't punish the whole population for it.
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<< people 65+ should'nt be allowed to drink because there are bad drivers..but that would work, that would be discrimination >>
The odds of getting plowed into by some 72 year old Geezer drunk off his Colostomy Bag on Zima in a Joked up Ricer is miniscule compared to the same thing happening with some Stridex Jockey behind the wheel.
Colt45
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<< people 65+ should'nt be allowed to drink because there are bad drivers..but that would work, that would be discrimination >>
The odds of getting plowed into by some 72 year old Geezer drunk off his Colostomy Bag on Zima in a Joked up Ricer is miniscule compared to the same thing happening with some Stridex Jockey behind the wheel. >>
true, it isnt as likely, but it is still possible..
oh yeah, WTF is a zima?
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The other issue that I have is that there are MANY 18 year olds who are still in high school. Having somebody who can purchase alcohol legally on the high school football team is just asking for problems as well. Do you have any idea how much of an impact that will have? Just about any roadblocks that were in place for obtaining alchol in highschool have all been but eliminated. We don't need high school seniors able to buy beer for the underclassman.
Dude when i was 18 I was a senior in high school and drinking wasent that big of a deal. We even had kegs and wine coolers at our senior prom. this was in 1987 not that long ago. The point is the "minors" are getting the booze now the law is pointless. There were even clubs that only sold 3.2 beer here in denver.
Dude when i was 18 I was a senior in high school and drinking wasent that big of a deal. We even had kegs and wine coolers at our senior prom. this was in 1987 not that long ago. The point is the "minors" are getting the booze now the law is pointless. There were even clubs that only sold 3.2 beer here in denver.
<< crzyc - not to get personal, but u're a fsckin idiot. everything you've posted is either accusations of "puritanism" or a pointless quote from somewhere else... original thought is appreciated on this board... do u have an actual reason FOR lowering the drinking age? or what possible GOOD it could do? please reread those questions again before answering...
American teens are obviously incredibly irresponsible as is the rest of our society... no one accepts blame for anything... do you expect them to drink responsibly and not drive after? of course you don't you probably never even thought about it...
the only thing that will happen if the drinking age is lowered is that more teens will die and more 16-year olds will be trying to drink illegally... as much as i'm for survival of the smartest, i don't want my teenage kid to be out w/ some dumbass who drives drunk or to get hit by some other reckless teenager... there are enough 21+ drunks out on the roads... >>
well if raising the drinking age has saved so many lives why not raise it to 25 or 40?
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