Poll: Lower the drinking age to 18?

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Urinal Mint

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Jenna Bush is a poster child for not lowering the legal age to 18.

BUT, the restaurant manager who called 911 for her fake ID is the poster child for "I'm a fvcking dumbass" disease.
 

AaronP

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And there is NO reason why 16 year olds should be allowed to drive. They are such horrible drivers. Drinking should be 21 and driving should be 18.

Ya Know, I don't think 18 year olds should be allowed to vote either. They are not old enough or wise enough to have an informed opinion. (a few are informed, but most aren't).

And FYI, I thought that most places, (Wisconsin for sure) it is LEGAL for people under 21 to drink if they are in the presence of their parents. The 19 year old soldier coming back could sit and have a beer with his dad.
 

MrBond

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I can't quote stats, as I'm not sure where exactly to look for these particlular stats. It'd probably require that I go to the library and look up newspaper artciles, scan them and post them somewhere. And I don't have the time.

Back when Indiana's drinking age was 18, and Ohio's was 21, a strech of road between NW Ohio and NE Indiana got quite a reputation. Highway 37. Come friday night, the 18 yr olds in Ohio would head down highway 37 to go to Indiana and get good and drunk. When the bars closed, they'd come back in their cars, on Highway 37. It became known as the "corridor of death." Every weekend there was a serious, alcohol related accident on this road. Some weekends, kids died, some weekends the people they hit died. These were highschool kids sometimes, who had just turned 18 in early fall or spring.

The fact is, if colorado has a drinking age of 18, its going to attract kids from other states to go drink (much like Canada attracts 19yr olds now, and Tijuana attracts 18yr olds). You may not think about it too much, especially if you're smack in the middle of the state. You'll see it around the borders mostly, bars will pop up to serve the weekend crowd of teens coming over the border. Oh, kids will die. No amount of DWI punishment will stop that. Around here, when teens drink, they drive more then adults. They're kids. They don't think their actions through, they don't think about the families they're putting in danger when they get behind the wheel. As much as it's drilled into them, they don't believe they'll have to live with it forever.

Besides, what good can come from an 18yr old drinking age? Don't give me the "I can die for my country, I should be able to get hammered at will" excuse, that's the main argument used to get the voting age lowered, and from the numbers I've seen, 18-21 year olds aren't showing up in droves to "preserve the right to elect who is going to send them to war."

The federal government withholds funds for highway development from states with lower then 21 drinking age (as someone already mentioned). That can be a substantial amount of money that colorado is going to have to come up with. They're going to have to make quite a bit off of teens drinking to make up that difference.

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As far as the "Can drink w/ parents rule" its pretty strict. They have to be with you at all times, until the bottle leaves the table. They must order it for you, and they must hand it to you.
 

crzyc

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<< You put alcohol consumption on a pedestal higher than military service, voting, signing contracts, banking, getting credit, or driving a motor vehicle and you are surprised that teens get the idea there must be something very special about drinking? >>



well said, I read this on another board

&quot;It is only in our ridiculous, protestant-puritan infested backwardness that we treat drinking alcohol -- an important cultural and social activity since the dawn of mankind -- as if it were the world's greatest evil&quot;
 

amdforlife

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lowering the drinking age to 18 is a VERY bad idea. lets go watch fast n furious...then imagine these drivers all drunk. cause that is what will happen every friday and saturday nights.
 

crzyc

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my friend reminded me of this quote from the simpsons:

&quot;alchohol is both the cause of, and solution to, all of lifes problems&quot;

:)
 

Bleeding Jawa

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CRZYC: Too bad you didn't go to college here in Southeastern Michigan. You could take the bridge to Windsor, Ontario every Friday night, just like the rest of the 19 year-old Fraternity Boys. Spend a few hours getting smashed, and getting into &quot;Deep Philosophical Discussions&quot; about how unenlightened, Conservative American society is keeping you down and how if you were in charge, Socialism would reign supreme.
 

ukDave

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the age limit makes no difference. sort of. well... doh!

There are two sides to evvery story...
 

bigd480

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crzyc - not to get personal, but u're a fsckin idiot. everything you've posted is either accusations of &quot;puritanism&quot; or a pointless quote from somewhere else... original thought is appreciated on this board... do u have an actual reason FOR lowering the drinking age? or what possible GOOD it could do? please reread those questions again before answering...

American teens are obviously incredibly irresponsible as is the rest of our society... no one accepts blame for anything... do you expect them to drink responsibly and not drive after? of course you don't you probably never even thought about it...

the only thing that will happen if the drinking age is lowered is that more teens will die and more 16-year olds will be trying to drink illegally... as much as i'm for survival of the smartest, i don't want my teenage kid to be out w/ some dumbass who drives drunk or to get hit by some other reckless teenager... there are enough 21+ drunks out on the roads...
 

RaoulDuke

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I agree with pretty much everything said, i believe it should stay at 21. Kids in this country aren't conditioned like people in europe or UK around alcohol. I think the age of 21 for alcohol is a good age. It is quite easy to get alcohol at 18, but i think it makes it a lot easier if you lower the limit to 18 for even younger kids who might not know 21 year olds or what not... Education is good, but i don't think for alcohol education will work in this country.
 

GasX

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I was raised to drink responsibly by my parents. I have been drinking with my parents for as long as I can remember at one level or another. My parents were fully aware of the fact that I drank in college. When I went home I could always have a beer with my dad.

I have a hard time reconciling a consenting adults right to personal freedom and a drinking age of 21. Personal freedoms are what this country is built on.

I recognize that an 18 year old is not as mature as a thirty year old and is more likely to do something stupid. The horror stories above of border towns and DUIs show that.

What then, is the proper balance between preservation of individual's rights and the need to protect society from itself?

Why should the government care if I sit in my backyard and get snookered? As soon as I get in a car the situation is different, but the 21 drinking age is not the way to go.

It is my opinion that the drinking age should be 18, but that DUI should be wiped out.
 

ElPool

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<< Too bad you didn't go to college here in Southeastern Michigan. You could take the bridge to Windsor, Ontario every Friday night, just like the rest of the 19 year-old Fraternity Boys. Spend a few hours getting smashed... >>



haha. yea, my college is very close to the border as well, and EVERYONE goes over the border to the dance clubs on the weekends. But, I have never once seen or even heard of anyone not taking a designated driver.

Even though i will be 21 in november, ill admit that my reason for voting Yes in this poll is personal. The city i live in has a police chief who would like nothing more that to make all drinking illegal. They bust parties all the time, even parties that are quiet (i got caught by 4 cops when me and 1 other person were quietly enjoying a drink in my dorm room), They load everyone into a large bus to be hauled down to the station. I heard somewhere that our county has the highest percentage of MIPs in the country. I think it would be really nice to be able to throw parties at my house next year, without having to worry about the cops surrounding the place.

Punishing a bunch of responsible drinkers who never cause trouble and never harm anyone because someone ELSE is going to drive drunk just doesnt seem right to me. I think i am a more responsible drinker than most drinkers OVER 21. ahh, dammit. I just wish i could get that damn police cheif fired.
 

AaronP

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&quot;ahh, dammit. I just wish i could get that damn police cheif fired&quot;
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LOL, for what, enforcing the law? HAHA I think the guy should get a raise.
 

b0mbrman

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Hell yeah! Screw them, I'm one day away from 21 and I had to suffer though that wait. It's only fair that they have to also.
 

bigd480

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<< Hell yeah! Screw them, I'm one day away from 21 and I had to suffer though that wait. It's only fair that they have to also. >>

woohoo! go get plastered! do they have free birthday shots in yo neck o da hood? :D
 

ElPool

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<< LOL, for what, enforcing the law? HAHA I think the guy should get a raise. >>



no, he just enforces the law way to harshly, in my opinion. Im sure my opinion would be different if i didnt drink, though.

I would rather he spend more time going after drunk drivers and real criminals, instead of underage drinkers, because we're not causing any problems. In other parts of the state, the police will just tell everyone to dump their keg cups and walk home. here, there are extra police officers who were hired just to bust parties.
 

Urinal Mint

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<< i dont understand why this poll is so close. i guess theres more idiots out there than i thought... >>



No, just a lot of teenagers on this board who think it's cool to get hammered and do dumb sh|t.
 

bigd480

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<< No, just a lot of teenagers on this board who think it's cool to get hammered and do dumb sh|t. >>

word... can anyone who voted yes tell me why 18 is a BETTER choice than 21? as in how it would improve anything, not whether it appeals to your underage ass...
 

Linflas

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<< word... can anyone who voted yes tell me why 18 is a BETTER choice than 21? as in how it would improve anything, not whether it appeals to your underage ass... >>


Simple. In this country 18 years old is considered adulthood and there is no reason why this one particular activity should be denied any legal adult. As for those who say teenagers are irresponsible I say you reap what you sow. If you treat them like they are irresponsible, tell then are irresponsible, pass laws to treat them like they are irresponsible then do not be surprised if they live down to your expectations.