Siddhartha
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Schadenfroh
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That's sad that so many of you are so willing to rip off your penis and throw it out the window in support of a sad situation in the work place where any comment about anyone is offensive to anyone else.
Bob: "Jen smells."
Sara: "That is sexual harassment, dickhead."
kranky
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- Oct 9, 1999
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It's a shame, but today's reality is that a "kneepad" comment is certainly in the danger area, even in jest. Companies should do better in making people aware of the boundaries so they don't get caught off guard like you were.
Something is harrassment if someone decides they feel harrassed. Stupid, but that's the way it is. And there are plenty of people out there just waiting to overhear a comment that they can claim made them feel harrassed so they can file a complaint.
You can't make any sexual reference, comment on a female's appearance, etc. because as you found out, it doesn't even matter who you are talking to - anyone who overhears it can decide they were offended.
Something is harrassment if someone decides they feel harrassed. Stupid, but that's the way it is. And there are plenty of people out there just waiting to overhear a comment that they can claim made them feel harrassed so they can file a complaint.
You can't make any sexual reference, comment on a female's appearance, etc. because as you found out, it doesn't even matter who you are talking to - anyone who overhears it can decide they were offended.
Yes you're very dramatic, bravo. It is not appropriate to suggest that someone performed sexual favors to get their job.
Originally posted by: aircooled
If you're going to get in trouble, you might as well touch a boobie on the way to the office.
- M4H
UglyCasanova
Lifer
- Mar 25, 2001
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It is a fuggin joke. It is not imo very mature or adult-like to get someone written up for saying such a joke.
You should get her written up for invasion of privacy, she was listening in on your conversation, and what happened to your right to free speech?
She didn't have to listen, she could have plugged her ears. You didn't force her to hear it (if you did, then that's wrong)
She didn't have to listen, she could have plugged her ears. You didn't force her to hear it (if you did, then that's wrong
)It is a fuggin (tasteless, sexually demeaning) joke. It is not imo very mature or adult-like to say such a joke.
- M4H
UglyCasanova
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Coming from you.
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: aircooled
If you're going to get in trouble, you might as well touch a boobie on the way to the office.
- M4H
styrafoam
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When you were written up did you mention the "wazoo" statement? Showing that she is comfortable with the sort of jokes/language in question may get you off the hook in some cases. It does suck though, and I have seen people play the rules to the extreme. It all boils down to it's not what you meant, it's how every person who heard the comment took it.
The worlk place is not the place for sexist jokes. And if a co worker is the brunt of the joke that is a double whammy.
Had HR done nothing then they could be liable should she decide to press sharged.
And the punishment he got is basically a warning. "hey don't do this again or we might fire you." It today's workplace the write up is mearly a way to document the fact you understand what you did was wrong and that you understand you can get fired.
It is a NON PUNISHEMENT.
While I agree that sometimes the line of what is and what is not sexual harrassment is WAY TO GRAY, I feel she shou,ld have been given the warning if the company has decided to that these coments are not acceptable.
You can't fight it at this point by saying these sort of rules are stupid.
You have to accept the rule (at this point) and show that she set the standard by saying her manager was "taking it up the wazoo" to keep his job.
You should tell HR, and they should certainly support you.
If your HR dept has any training or common sense, they will try to find out if she has said simillar things, yet acts offended by the same things.
You have to accept the rule (at this point) and show that she set the standard by saying her manager was "taking it up the wazoo" to keep his job.
You should tell HR, and they should certainly support you.
If your HR dept has any training or common sense, they will try to find out if she has said simillar things, yet acts offended by the same things.
If no one reported the "wazoo" comment as being offensive, then you can't really be upset that she was not written up - supervisors are not psychic. It would have been screwed if she were reported for her backside love comment and was not punished, but you were reported for your mouth love comment and were written up (unless I didn't read closely enough and that's what actually happened).
Either way, it's always best to avoid any sort of sexual talk while on the job, even as a joke. Sex is a personal, intimate subject that you don't really need to share with the dude from the mailroom or your boss.
What you said was offensive - imagine someone saying your mom got something because she sucked cack, or you got your own job for that reason, you can't tell me that wouldn't offend you.
Either way, it's always best to avoid any sort of sexual talk while on the job, even as a joke. Sex is a personal, intimate subject that you don't really need to share with the dude from the mailroom or your boss.
What you said was offensive - imagine someone saying your mom got something because she sucked cack, or you got your own job for that reason, you can't tell me that wouldn't offend you.
Originally posted by: UglyCassanova
Coming from you.
I never said it wasn't funny.
If you want to whip that out at the after-hours gathering at the pub, go nuts. But saying that in the office environment is just stupid.
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: aircooled
If you're going to get in trouble, you might as well touch a boobie on the way to the office.
- M4H
Yeah, I stand by those statements. You'll just have to wrap your mind around that.
- M4H
Yes, there is one thing this PC crowd is more concerned about than sexual harrasment, and that's gay bashing
me and a coworker was accused of gay bashing this gay guy at work one time. he complained to HR that we were making jokes about him when we weren't and we didn't even notice him. good thing HR was on our side and they let it go because he didn't have any evidence and he was just being paranoid.
at my workplace jokes 10x worse than that are said openly every single day. my boss greets me every morning with a dirty joke or two.
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