[Poll] How will Trump leave the White House?

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Best guess how Trump ends his presidency?

  • Dies of covid soon

    Votes: 4 4.2%
  • Quits before election day

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • Quits in lame duck period like a bitch

    Votes: 41 42.7%
  • Leaves peacefully on Jan 20

    Votes: 27 28.1%
  • Forced out of White House by security

    Votes: 25 26.0%
  • Forced out by protesters storming WH

    Votes: 7 7.3%
  • Never leaves. Stays in office until he dies.

    Votes: 3 3.1%
  • Trump family takes over govt, Donny gets buried on the grounds and never leaves

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Launches mujeres

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Launches nukes in a tantrum and kills us all. Radioactive ashes haunt DC crater

    Votes: 5 5.2%

  • Total voters
    96
  • Poll closed .

BUTCH1

Lifer
Jul 15, 2000
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Realistically: I think he'll leave peacefully on January 20th if Biden wins, but not quietly. He'll whine that the election was rigged from the moment a winner is declared. And I wouldn't put it past him to refuse to attend the inauguration ceremony (not that there will be many attendees given the pandemic, but still).

I can't help but imagine him getting on a private jet before noon so that he's on his way to a country without a US extradition treaty (and over international waters) before New York state can arrest him. He may well stay and fight any charges, of course, but this is one of the few areas where he's not stupid — he knows when he has committed a crime and will do everything in his power to hide evidence and avoid going to trial.

My concern isn't Trump fighting the results so much as what his worshippers will do in his name. I'm not expecting a huge rash of attacks, but Trumpists have already attacked people and mailed pipe bombs. I wouldn't put it past them to make attempts on Biden or his coterie, or just to try to kill Democrats/liberals out of spite.

For that matter, I worry about racist groups using the interregnum period as a "last hurrah" where they can launch attacks before adults return to the White House and clamp down on white supremacists. The pandemic might paradoxically save people simply by limiting obvious targets.
Yea, some good points raised here, we all know Dump gives zero fucks about another life except his own so if
people die from Alt-right attacks he'd have no problem with it. Some of these desperado's/cult nut-jobs might see
going down in a hail of bullets as a meaningful death.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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There is no explicit ACA requirement. There may be a basis for it, but it is not explicit. Extradition is.
I hope you're right but in a world where someone can reason themselves into thinking a penalty that doesn't even exist can wreck 1/5th of the economy that's a sign of the level of motivated reasoning we're seeing here.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
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I see him holed up in Florida for awhile after the inauguration, just to gauge which way the wind blows. DeSantis can run cover against NYS, for awhile, but not the Feds. If he dismisses the SS in favor of private security that will be the signal he's getting ready to bolt. In his place, I'd already have plans for that option. In Biden's place, I'd let him.
Let him get away with it? NFW. The moment DeSantis does that then NY goes before a court to classify Donnie as a flight and put a hold on his passport. If Trump wants to be a wanted international criminal? Every cent he has is gone and he's looking over his shoulder forever.

But letting Trump go after causing such damage it may never be completely undone? Hell of a precedent.
 

sactoking

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Sep 24, 2007
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There is no explicit ACA requirement. There may be a basis for it, but it is not explicit. Extradition is.
The ACA ridiculousness is in the judge granting standing. In order to have standing you have to be harmed. The original judge accepted that a tax penalty of $0 aggrieves the plaintiffs and makes them feel bad to such a degree as to grant standing. It's 100% bullshit and goes against EVERYTHING the court system stands for.

Extradition, on the other hand, may explicitly apply but it only explicitly applies to people in custody. If someone were to flee to a state that was sympathetic and authorities in that state were to refuse to arrest then extradition would not apply.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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The ACA ridiculousness is in the judge granting standing. In order to have standing you have to be harmed. The original judge accepted that a tax penalty of $0 aggrieves the plaintiffs and makes them feel bad to such a degree as to grant standing. It's 100% bullshit and goes against EVERYTHING the court system stands for.

Extradition, on the other hand, may explicitly apply but it only explicitly applies to people in custody. If someone were to flee to a state that was sympathetic and authorities in that state were to refuse to arrest then extradition would not apply.

At that point DeSantis goes against NY and the Constitution says that he shall be turned over, no
"if you want to". Now DeSantis is up against the Feds. There are very few justifications for non-compliance and none apply. Trump would be wanted for serious crime, NY is the proper party as Trump crimes were committed there and of course the paperwork would be in order.

Trump may fight extradition but the Gov would likely be criminally liable for obstruction as the courts can order compliance as this is a federal issue.
 

MtnMan

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Jul 27, 2004
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The Constitution is explicit. There is no grounds even with a benchfull of scalias
And you say that while the appointee is know to believe that "gods" laws supersede the US Constitution, she just won't say that during the hearings.

Besides all they have to do is to rule on "how the votes are counted", as they did in 2000. There is nothing in the constitution in regards to that, especially as it applies today and the fact 8 states have "paperless" balloting, negating the possibility of any paper trail.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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And you say that while the appointee is know to believe that "gods" laws supersede the US Constitution, she just won't say that during the hearings.

Besides all they have to do is to rule on "how the votes are counted", as they did in 2000. There is nothing in the constitution in regards to that, especially as it applies today and the fact 8 states have "paperless" balloting, negating the possibility of any paper trail.
Then emigrate and claim refugee status.
 

snoopy7548

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Jan 1, 2005
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I'm hoping he never leaves. #MAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I would ask that you clearify your response. Two thoughts come to mind, but I want to be clear what you are insinuating before I respond.
it seems that you have no hope and there is nothing to be done. if that is correct then not just you but everyone lives in a sham. if I had the resources and others would have me i'd likely go too.
 
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MtnMan

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it seems that you have no hope and there is nothing to be done. if that is correct then not just you but everyone lives in a sham. if I had the resources and others would have me i'd likely go too.
Since you don't have the resources to leave, perhaps you should pay more attention to what has happened and is actually going on. But you don't effect change by leaving, or even wishing you could. You make change by standing your ground.
 

Viper1j

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Jul 31, 2018
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I am betting it will. Biden's main goal is to make Trump fade into history as fast as possible. The rhetoric is going to all be 'bring our country back together' and 'Trump lost he no longer matters'.
The fact is putting Trump on trial would go against one of the most dearly held tenets of our current Justice System: Rich and or famous people don't go to jail.

Leona Helmsley and Bernie Madoff would like to have a word with you.

Martha Stewart was like "fuck that, I'm not even going to try to explain it."
 
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Viper1j

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Realistically: I think he'll leave peacefully on January 20th if Biden wins, but not quietly. He'll whine that the election was rigged from the moment a winner is declared. And I wouldn't put it past him to refuse to attend the inauguration ceremony (not that there will be many attendees given the pandemic, but still).

I can't help but imagine him getting on a private jet before noon so that he's on his way to a country without a US extradition treaty (and over international waters) before New York state can arrest him. He may well stay and fight any charges, of course, but this is one of the few areas where he's not stupid — he knows when he has committed a crime and will do everything in his power to hide evidence and avoid going to trial.

My concern isn't Trump fighting the results so much as what his worshippers will do in his name. I'm not expecting a huge rash of attacks, but Trumpists have already attacked people and mailed pipe bombs. I wouldn't put it past them to make attempts on Biden or his coterie, or just to try to kill Democrats/liberals out of spite.

For that matter, I worry about racist groups using the interregnum period as a "last hurrah" where they can launch attacks before adults return to the White House and clamp down on white supremacists. The pandemic might paradoxically save people simply by limiting obvious targets.

Trump could become the American Mohammed to his Christian Taliban..
 

Commodus

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Oct 9, 2004
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Trump could become the American Mohammed to his Christian Taliban..

That is, provided he lives long enough. Trumpists love to claim that Biden is going to keel over any day now, but Trump both has a horrific lack of self-care and now a COVID infection (and he's only a few years younger). I'll be surprised if he's around for more than a few years at his current rate.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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Leona Helmsley and Bernie Madoff would like to have a word with you.
You are right, after being convicted of 33 felonies Helmsley served 19 months of a 16 year sentence. Madoff made the critical mistake of becoming rich by stealing for people that were even richer then him, and he still went to jail primarily because he was covering up for even richer people. Madoff was a scapegoat to keep really rich people from going to jail.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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I think that he'll leave peacefully on time, but he'll whine and moan and bitch from the moment the election results come in to the moment he dies.
 
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Viper1j

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You are right, after being convicted of 33 felonies Helmsley served 19 months of a 16 year sentence. Madoff made the critical mistake of becoming rich by stealing for people that were even richer then him, and he still went to jail primarily because he was covering up for even richer people. Madoff was a scapegoat to keep really rich people from going to jail.

Now do Martha Stewart.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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Trumpo just finished up his alternate town hall.

I should have added "in a straight jacket" to the poll...
 
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