*POLL* Homoadoption - Yes or No

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007
No. Sooner or later, someone will find out. Can you imagine the ridicule the kid will get in school when everyone finds out that he/she has 2 dads/2 moms and no mom/dad?

so where does the problem lie?

I myself would be worried about the child and his/her future rather than if the parents can adopt. Think about it. A lot of "normal" people in schools are already the victims of racism, violence, etc. Can you imagine what would happen if someone would find out that little Timmy has 2 dads and no moms? Bullying. Discrimination. Everything black people faced in the 40's and 50's and more.

so would you have advocated that black people not have children, for the same reasons?

No. I'm just saying that they would be the victims of descrimination as black kids had in schools in the 40's and 50's.

right, so why wouldn't this same argument have applied for black people?

besides, which is more harmful, being teased a little in school, or having no parents?

It's not applied to black people because white people now treat them equally, or most of them at least. Trust me, the kid woulden't get teased a little. He would get beaten up, made fun of all the time, etc etc. School would be horrible for him. If I was that kid, I'd rather have a mother and a father, instead of 2 of 1.

you're not seeing my point, why *shouldn't* that argument have been made? 50 years from now, gays will probably not be persecuted either...

You're right. After a while, people would accept it. But do we want to go through all of it all over again?

ok seriously, if for whatever reason, black were being persecuted again, would you really advocate them to not have children?

No. If I was living in the 40's and 50's, then I would be one of those people who viewed blacks as equal beings.

so do you view homos as unequal to heteros? as in one side is better than the other?

No. My original point is that the kid would go through a lot of stuff in school, etc.

as would the blacks have.

let me outline this:

blacks are equal, homos are equal.
blacks can raise children.
homos can't.

does this make sense?

Yes. But little Timmy will end up going through what black kids went through in the 40's and 50's. There is no denying that. The children WILL be discriminated.

well probably not to as large of an extent, but yes. however, is that worse than being raised with no parents? i don't think so...

i still dont' understand your position. given identical situations, you would not have told the blacks not to have children, but you turn around and say that homos can't?

I'm neutral on the actual topic. I'm just worried about how little Timmy will do in school when he's getting pushed around. I think about the children, not the parents.

i agree, children should come first. but i think timmy will do better being pushed around than without any parents.

 

[Gaard]

Would you guys please refrain from abusing the quote function like that? Pretty please?

 

[LiekOMG]

Do you think you guys can refrain from using the quote button? Its making these threads annoyingly long to scroll through

 

[Nefrodite]

wow, i can't believe no is winning.. bunch of cold hearted little nerds you are. you aren't "nice" guys.. next time you think about why you don't have a g/f.

anyways, if i were an orphan, i wouldn't care who my adoptive parents loved. yea u know, better to slip through the cracks and possibly get too old to be adopted and then suffer foster homes etc.

and do you think its going to stop gay people from being parents?? they'll just get a woman to carry it to term, or in the case of lesbians, a sperm doner. your not stopping anything... well anything bad atleast. your just depriving some poor kid of parents is all. pathetic views indeed.

studies show that having gay parents doesn't make you gay or mental. what more do you need?

and fmcobalts anecdotal experience with gays means nothing. his family could be the most disfunctional around. his group of friends could all be misfits. if i grew up in a black ghetto and judged all black people from the gang bangers i knew......

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Nefrodite
wow, i can't believe no is winning.. bunch of cold hearted little nerds you are. you aren't "nice" guys.. next time you think about why you don't have a g/f.

I'll be sure to ask Eyecandy why she's not going to marry me when I see her next.

nik

 

[luv2chill]

Very well said, Nefrodite. It's not like this is a theoretical problem. The day that all heterosexual sex takes place with people able and willing to be loving parents is the day the homosexual adoption issue becomes nil.

l2c

 

[xospec1alk]

yeh, im surprised no is winning too, i can't believe the opinions that people have of gay people. It baffles me how discriminating people can be, such is life, i guess we can't change people's opinions.

proud to be the first one to vote yes

 

[Maleficus]

hellllllll no.

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

Originally posted by: Nefrodite
wow, i can't believe no is winning.. bunch of cold hearted little nerds you are. you aren't "nice" guys.. next time you think about why you don't have a g/f.

anyways, if i were an orphan, i wouldn't care who my adoptive parents loved. yea u know, better to slip through the cracks and possibly get too old to be adopted and then suffer foster homes etc.

and do you think its going to stop gay people from being parents?? they'll just get a woman to carry it to term, or in the case of lesbians, a sperm doner. your not stopping anything... well anything bad atleast. your just depriving some poor kid of parents is all. pathetic views indeed.

studies show that having gay parents doesn't make you gay or mental. what more do you need?

and fmcobalts anecdotal experience with gays means nothing. his family could be the most disfunctional around. his group of friends could all be misfits. if i grew up in a black ghetto and judged all black people from the gang bangers i knew......

yep, you got it right.

thats the problem with these boards... people are basically anonymous which dehumanizes issues like this one. This wouldn't be an issue if each person argueing against 'Homoadoption' actually worked in a field where they had to choose between putting(or leaving) a child in low-quality environments and putting them into a good stable homosexual household. Pretty disgusting display of bigotry here...

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: DOACleric
Do you think you guys can refrain from using the quote button? Its making these threads annoyingly long to scroll through

alright alright, yeesh!

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: DOACleric Do you think you guys can refrain from using the quote button? Its making these threads annoyingly long to scroll through

alright alright, yeesh!

Yeah, okay, I guess so.

nik

 

[jkoXP]

definatly not

 

[EXman]

The word "tolerance" is overused and underthought.

Yes it is personally I think it is a red herring er rather intolerance that is.

 

[DaiShan]

I don't see any real reson why Homosexuals should not be permitted to adopt children, provided that they meet the same criteria as heterosexual parents do. The only arguments I have heard against that are 1)Homosexuals are more prone to sexually abusing a minor (false) 2) That they might force homosexuality on their children (also false IMO) I believe that Homosexuality is in genetics, not conditioning.

 

[Red Dawn]

I think anybody that is a Religious Fund a Mental Case(whether they be Muslim, Christian, Jew or Hindu) should be banned from adopting. All they are going to do is brainwash some poor kid into following their cult.

 

[killface]

Originally posted by: Nefrodite
wow, i can't believe no is winning.. bunch of cold hearted little nerds you are. you aren't "nice" guys.. next time you think about why you don't have a g/f.

anyways, if i were an orphan, i wouldn't care who my adoptive parents loved. yea u know, better to slip through the cracks and possibly get too old to be adopted and then suffer foster homes etc.

Well said man. I can't believe "no" is winning either.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I think anybody that is a Religious Fund a Mental Case(whether they be Muslim, Christian, Jew or Hindu) should be banned from adopting. All they are going to do is brainwash some poor kid into following their cult.

YES!! Or, as I've said, before, fun-da-mental-ists are neither.

Furthermore, until there are more good homes for abandoned kids, especially problem kides, than there are qualified homes wanting to take them, there isn't even a ghost of a good argument for barring otherwise qualified gay couples from adopting them. Once that small detail is taken care of, there is still no good reason.

Get real, folks. Good, caring, devoted people are going to do their best to give these kids a chance for a life they may otherwise never get. Do you want to deny that to those kids?

 

[kumanchu]

what about the kid!!!! i mean ok, i'm not saying that homosexual couples aren't able to raise a kid right. BUT think about how other kids would TEASE him/her growing up. i mean its very likely going to cause some kind of mental trauma, and its very likely that the child would be not be allowed to play with certain other kids because those kids parent's would be very against it. just because the kid can learn to accept their situation does not mean that others will.

so for now, i would not allow homosexual adoption for the sake of the child. at the point where 99.99999999% of the population doesn't even think twice when they hear "homosexual" and "parents" in the same sentance would i think its ok for qualified couples to raise a kid.

*edit
the adopted child of a homosexual couple has a huge barrier that black student's didn't have in integration. its the support of others that are being discriminated against for the SAME REASON. i mean those kids had COMMUNITIES of people their own age, in the same predicament. i mean a child of homosexual parents can't exactly find anyone else to relate to about their problems of that nature. i mean the likelyhood of the child finding support that the black students had from eachother will be non existant. it would be that SINGLE child in that school facing the same amount of discrimination that was taken upon by many. trials of this sort are obviously made much more difficult by yourself.

and why not just push to make adoptions more common? tru allowing homosexual couples adopt would further that goal, but there are other ways. i think that the main reason that it shouldn't be allowed is because the timing is not right. it could prove fatal for the "movement" so to speak if there were a few "test cases" of such; simply because of all of the crap they would have to go through now. maybe in the future if/when homosexuality is no longer a mapjor topic of conversation/controversy would action like this be reasonable.

 

[Nefrodite]

the adopted child of a homosexual couple has a huge barrier that black student's didn't have in integration. its the support of others that are being discriminated against for the SAME REASON. i mean those kids had COMMUNITIES of people their own age, in the same predicament. i mean a child of homosexual parents can't exactly find anyone else to relate to about their problems of that nature. i mean the likelyhood of the child finding support that the black students had from eachother will be non existant. it would be that SINGLE child in that school facing the same amount of discrimination that was taken upon by many. trials of this sort are obviously made much more difficult by yourself



um, the difference is that black people are pretty noticable. a black kids not going to make friends because the other kids don't know he has black parents. u know.. like one day the other kids will hear a rumor that so and so is black. oh the horror! a kid that has gay parents...u don't know he has gay parents unless they tell ya. its actually easier then having black parents. think about your time in high school/middle school. i didn't know what the parents of some of my friends did for a living for #@% sake, let alone care really.

 

[kumanchu]

Originally posted by: Nefrodite
the adopted child of a homosexual couple has a huge barrier that black student's didn't have in integration. its the support of others that are being discriminated against for the SAME REASON. i mean those kids had COMMUNITIES of people their own age, in the same predicament. i mean a child of homosexual parents can't exactly find anyone else to relate to about their problems of that nature. i mean the likelyhood of the child finding support that the black students had from eachother will be non existant. it would be that SINGLE child in that school facing the same amount of discrimination that was taken upon by many. trials of this sort are obviously made much more difficult by yourself



um, the difference is that black people are pretty noticable. a black kids not going to make friends because the other kids don't know he has black parents. u know.. like one day the other kids will hear a rumor that so and so is black. oh the horror! a kid that has gay parents...u don't know he has gay parents unless they tell ya. its actually easier then having black parents. think about your time in high school/middle school. i didn't know what the parents of some of my friends did for a living for #@% sake, let alone care really.

i don't think that it needs to be said that this type of news would spread very fast among parents. it wouldn't take much longer to be learned by their kids. rumours can be vicious when you are young.

 

[luv2chill]

Originally posted by: kumanchu
what about the kid!!!! i mean ok, i'm not saying that homosexual couples aren't able to raise a kid right. BUT think about how other kids would TEASE him/her growing up. i mean its very likely going to cause some kind of mental trauma, and its very likely that the child would be not be allowed to play with certain other kids because those kids parent's would be very against it. just because the kid can learn to accept their situation does not mean that others will.

so for now, i would not allow homosexual adoption for the sake of the child. at the point where 99.99999999% of the population doesn't even think twice when they hear "homosexual" and "parents" in the same sentance would i think its ok for qualified couples to raise a kid.

*edit
the adopted child of a homosexual couple has a huge barrier that black student's didn't have in integration. its the support of others that are being discriminated against for the SAME REASON. i mean those kids had COMMUNITIES of people their own age, in the same predicament. i mean a child of homosexual parents can't exactly find anyone else to relate to about their problems of that nature. i mean the likelyhood of the child finding support that the black students had from eachother will be non existant. it would be that SINGLE child in that school facing the same amount of discrimination that was taken upon by many. trials of this sort are obviously made much more difficult by yourself.

and why not just push to make adoptions more common? tru allowing homosexual couples adopt would further that goal, but there are other ways. i think that the main reason that it shouldn't be allowed is because the timing is not right. it could prove fatal for the "movement" so to speak if there were a few "test cases" of such; simply because of all of the crap they would have to go through now. maybe in the future if/when homosexuality is no longer a mapjor topic of conversation/controversy would action like this be reasonable.

Yep, and as you sit there in your easy chair, belly full from the dinner mom/wife made you, think about whether you'd prefer gay parents who loved you or no parents at all. Really think about it. Consider the emotional scars suffered by children who don't have any parents AT ALL.

Everyone is teased in school at one point or another. It's part of growing up. You don't think some kid will get teased because he's/she's an orphan? Gimme a break.

THINK about this. Go give your parents a hug and kiss and think about how important they are to you.

l2c

 

[SHoddyCOmp]

NO. Some kid could be normal but with 2 dads or 2 moms, theres something bound to get screwed up

 

[kumanchu]

Yep, and as you sit there in your easy chair, belly full from the dinner mom/wife made you, think about whether you'd prefer gay parents who loved you or no parents at all. Really think about it. Consider the emotional scars suffered by children who don't have any parents AT ALL.

ok, i've read a few case studies of children that were born hermaphrodites and then a gender was chosen for them at birth. of them, 2 of the cases were somehow uncovered during their middleschool/highschool years. they both commited suicide after incessant teasing, and social rejection.

true, everyone gets teased; but it doesn't mean its ok. i mean its normal to be teased about somethings, freckles, hair, glasses, etc. but children learn to accept it usually because they figure out its of little consequence; or they dwell on it and form dysfunctions because of it. if its a big deal, it changes things. maybe not so drastically that they would commit suicide, but more than likely it would cause some very serious dysfunction.

also directly to your statement "Yep, and as you sit there in your easy chair, belly full from the dinner mom/wife made you, think about whether you'd prefer gay parents who loved you or no parents at all." I think it would have to directly reflect if i appreciated my parents to begin with. In the case that you are made an outcast BECAUSE of your parents, and should you resent that fact (which does not seem out of the question at all especially when younger) do you think they would be able to appreciate their parent's love? in fact many people do not, even with so called "normal" parents; this is just another thing that would make this state even more likely.

i'm not saying that there is a 100% chance that the kid is gonna be fvcked up, but common sense dictates that until homosexuality is accepted by society; there is a great chance that the kid will be pretty messed in the head. isn't the whole point of screening parents applying for adoption to prevent this? sure a low income couple that works and doesn't have much time for a baby CAN raise a baby, but they aren't given an opportunity if for some reason they can't have their own kids. this says nothing about their willingness or ability to be parents or of how much they can love their kid.

 

[Nefrodite]

Originally posted by: kumanchu

Originally posted by: Nefrodite
the adopted child of a homosexual couple has a huge barrier that black student's didn't have in integration. its the support of others that are being discriminated against for the SAME REASON. i mean those kids had COMMUNITIES of people their own age, in the same predicament. i mean a child of homosexual parents can't exactly find anyone else to relate to about their problems of that nature. i mean the likelyhood of the child finding support that the black students had from eachother will be non existant. it would be that SINGLE child in that school facing the same amount of discrimination that was taken upon by many. trials of this sort are obviously made much more difficult by yourself



um, the difference is that black people are pretty noticable. a black kids not going to make friends because the other kids don't know he has black parents. u know.. like one day the other kids will hear a rumor that so and so is black. oh the horror! a kid that has gay parents...u don't know he has gay parents unless they tell ya. its actually easier then having black parents. think about your time in high school/middle school. i didn't know what the parents of some of my friends did for a living for #@% sake, let alone care really.

i don't think that it needs to be said that this type of news would spread very fast among parents. it wouldn't take much longer to be learned by their kids. rumours can be vicious when you are young.

it depends where you live i suppose. if i had been the lone asian in school instead of one of many at a diverse one i suppose i would have had trouble too. even so, i had my fair amount of jabs at "all you asians look the same", references to eating dogs, "don't you know karate". one kid even told me to my face there were too many of my kind coming over and sh*t. etc etc etc. it basically ended in middle school, kids do mature. i guess my parents shouldn't have been allowed ot come to american since kids might be mean to me. being against something because of the potential bigotry of others is the silliest reason i can think of.


kids will pick on people for most any reason they can find. i suppose you should pass laws against the adoption of fat children, big targets. they are better off in orphanages with orphan only schools so only other orphans could pick on the fatties.

and still, i don't know where you lived or how long ago you went to school. now kids generally are a little more tolerant of one another. there were a few pretty obviously gay people at my middle/high school. everyone knew they were gay but no one picked on em for it.



anyways, kids now know..be too mean to someone and you might get your @ss columbined.




frankly, the only thing that would be really bad for a child is if its parents were terrorists

 

[kumanchu]

it depends where you live i suppose. if i had been the lone asian in school instead of one of many at a diverse one i suppose i would have had trouble too. even so, i had my fair amount of jabs at "all you asians look the same", references to eating dogs, "don't you know karate". one kid even told me to my face there were too many of my kind coming over and sh*t. etc etc etc. it basically ended in middle school, kids do mature. i guess my parents shouldn't have been allowed ot come to american since kids might be mean to me. being against something because of the potential bigotry of others is the silliest reason i can think of.


kids will pick on people for most any reason they can find. i suppose you should pass laws against the adoption of fat children, big targets. they are better off in orphanages with orphan only schools so only other orphans could pick on the fatties.

and still, i don't know where you lived or how long ago you went to school. now kids generally are a little more tolerant of one another. there were a few pretty obviously gay people at my middle/high school. everyone knew they were gay but no one picked on em for it.



anyways, kids now know..be too mean to someone and you might get your @ss columbined.




frankly, the only thing that would be really bad for a child is if its parents were terrorists

i was the only asian kid in my grade in elementary school. actually i don't think i've ever been picked on for being asian until recently in college. i grew up in a "priveleged" area, high income, highly educated, low crime, pleasantville (burb of washington dc, richest county in america, and my particular town had plenty of political clout to get that extra public funding for my schools ie diplomats, congressmen, supreme court justices, more bureaucrats than ants in an anthill, as a result i had more proffessors teach me in grade school than some see in college). i did kno martial arts, and after a one time demonstration on a "hater" that type of teasing stopped. i got my fair share of fat jokes, but like i pointed out earlier, i learned that its of little consequence.

i'm in college at the moment; and i guess fair to say, that i'm not outside of your age group. if you are asian, you don't get people from church saying your parents are going to hell. if you are fat you don't have people running after you to beat you up just because you are fat (i can attest to that). its not fair to trivialize the matter into "potential bigotry" when its nearly guaranteed, and on a whole different level from normal childhood teasing.

there is a pretty active/large gay community on campus. does everyone have a problem with them? no. does a scarily large percentage of people have a problem? yes. the whole idea hating homosexuality isn't something that someone stops doing because they mature. i'm sure there are MANY more adults of normal backgrounds that hate homosexuals than hate fat people. as to people that hate people brought up by homosexuals; i have no clue, but i'm sure a good amount of the haters would not be congruent with the idea of homosexual adoption.

still, going back to the fact that my opinion doesn't have to deal with just bigotry; the standards of adoption in america at the moment do not allow adoption to homosexual couples because they would be exposed to a great risk. the whole point of screening parents is to find those that are suitable, and their criteria for who is suitable is determined by weighing various risks. it has been deemed that at this point in time, the risk that a child would be exposed to detrimental conditions with homosexual parents is too great. there is no reason for this stance to change given a more appropriate enviornment. i'm not saying homosexual couples should be stopped from having kids forever, but now is definately not a good time.

i don't see why people would push for homosexual couples before rectifiying low income couples want for adoption. its of a much broader scope. in the same sense that homosexual couples deserve the right to have children, so do low income couples. they can love a child too! they may not be able to buy all the niftiest toys, or take them on nice vacations; but they can love them just the same. why are children in orphanages when there are couples that are like that willing to take them in?

and about the columbine comment, there were school shootings before columbine. but hey! awareness of those didn't stop columbine from happening, right?

also i couldn't help but notice that in your profile you say you are from california. general attitudes on gay topics tend to be much more neutral there than in most of the country. afaik gay activists are most sucessful there, and in miami florida; but that still leaves a lot of america in between.