Originally posted by: Nefrodite
then you have to say human cloning is ok; whats the difference if you are using the genetic material from just 1 person instead of 2 at this point if you are going to do it anyway. like i said, i prefer not to digress from the original topic. i know how it is done, and i'm aware that its possible but within itself its a different moral issue.
not really, its manipulation not cloning. fixing defective genes, fertilizing eggs using altered dna etc are all not cloning. cloning is when you make an exact duplicate of one person. other procedures are no worse then invetro fertilization which was very controversial when it first came out. and it does matter, because if you base your arguement simply on physical capabilities then you have be consistent. for intance should infertile women be able to adopt?
yes it is whether or not I think its wrong, as I am a voter, and voters express their own opinions for the passing of laws indirectly through their elected representatives. in the same way that you don't feel i should "impose" my views on everyone else; should this be made legal then those people are then "imposing" their views upon those that beleive it to be wrong.
not exactly. you want to impose your views to limit others from doing certain things. offending others through your existence or your actions isn't the same kind of thing. you don't have a right not to be offended otherwise i could pass a law limiting views such as yours as they are imposed on me.
and you speak of a perfect world where there is a home for all the orphans, and that none have to stay in orphenages at all. but since its not a perfect world how would you like to be the person with the job that has to say "you can have a family" and "you can't". that type of job is only necessary because of the result of the problem. If you want to speak about now, then right now, homosexual adoption is not legal; so the whole debate is moot. In the same way i "pine away" of a more accepting environment; you "pine away" waiting for the day it is even legal at all which really is not all that different since most likely by the time the environment is accepting the law will be passed. I don't beleive i ever said anything about punishing parents through their children. once again; do not put words into my perverbial mouth. I never said it was a perfect world; i just said its better to target the source of a problem than to simply make better acommidations for the result. please stop putting words into my mouth. Most women actually can't have abortions, its only available to them in the first trimester in the vast majority of cases; and many don't know what they actually want to do till after the first trimester has passed. For that reason victims of rape and other such extreme cases are allowed abortions during the second trimester. True if abortion was illegal altogether there would be a boom in children needing families, but not everyone gets to have an abortion when they want it; and can find out too late as many people aren't familiar with the details of the laws around abortions.
ok that paragraph just boggles my mind .. its too confused. i wasn't going for a perfect world, but a pragmatic world where we do what we can to alleviate suffering when possible. Outlawing something arbitrarily or for unsupported moral reasons is not pragmatic. being pragmatic means you deal with the problem instead of concentrating on assigning blame. how long has poverty existed in human societies? yes, basically since the beginning, so attacking the problem from one side only is not realistic.
and why did i say that you pined away for a perfect future? well your arguement basically was that homosexuals shouldn't have to adopt because children shouldn't have to be given up for adoption. yes, in a perfect world no one would have be adopted at all.
i said i find it fair to assume that in at least some cases since its a very real possibility that can easily be deduced from common sense. to beleive that this can't happen since there isn't current proof is foolhardy; besides you said that studies have shown GENERALY, which means that there exist cases that they DO resent their parents which furthers my point. Nor did i ever say that gay parents would teach their children that gays are evil. I said that churches would say that; i was referencing the catholic church/islam/orthodox jews in particular.
Nefrodite - If you are studying for your sat's/act's i would suggest you get some extra help with your reading comprehension.
no, i only said generally to be accurate and because i forgot the name of the group who did the study. the studies that show unfavorable results are either flawed or by groups with agendas. i believe the AMA itself declared that children raised by homosexuals generally are ok. u see why i use generally? because there is nothing that is 100% in this world. otherwise you could say that all heterosexual families are unviable because one raised clebold and harris, the columbine shooters. therefore only generally do children grow up normally even in heterosexual families. generally serial killers are raised by heterosexuals, what does that mean? so anyways, no, exceptions to the rule do not further your point.
my reading comprehension is just fine. your ability to write concisely and clearly is the problem if you believe that i am misinterpreting your ideas.
People do get over having no parental figures; I can point to a few friends that have no problems with it as they were raised as "wards of the court". Just as you assert that it is better to have 2 parents; some people (albeit a scarce minority) find that it would be better to be raised in an "orphanage" or hopping from foster home to foster home than to be raised by a homosexual couple. In essence, this makes your point is moot.
i defy you time find small children who would rather not have parents and a stable childhood. bigotry is taught, and until a certain age, a child will have no problem assimilating into a household. although it is definetly possible to survive foster homes and unstability, generally its better to actually have good parents. so your anecdotal evidence that some bigoted orphan friends of yours came out just "fine" as you say is basically worthless.
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