Yes if that person isn't going to molest the kids. That rule applies to everyone as far as I am concerned. As someone who was adopted if my only hope of getting out of being a ward of state was to be adopted by a homosexual I would be happy to do it.
I intentially didn't say that so you could make up your own mind 
But it isn't too hard to find out...
But it isn't too hard to find out...What's the significanceof being in a monogomous relationship? Surely if a child doesn't need both a male and female role model/parent, (since two men or two women seem to be ok), then a single person would be a good candidate for adoption?
Monogamous means only one mate, dude. This poll isn't about that.
nik (does not agree with single parenting)
Whew... it only took 19 posts for the word bestiality to be uttered. Never fails!! And you also did us the favor of getting pedophilia out of the way also.
Now let's get this much clear, so there's no more mention of nonsense like bestiality and pedophilia in the thread...
1.Homosexual sex is sexual relations between two consenting adults. NO HARM
2.Bestiality is sexual relations between a consenting human and a nonconsenting animal.ANIMAL IS HARMED BECAUSE OF NO CONSENT
3.Pedophilia is sexual relations between a consenting adult and a nonconsenting child (children are not considered to have the ability to consent). CHILD IS HARMED BECAUSE OF NO CONSENT[/list]
So, to sum up:
HOMOSEXUALITY - NOT HARMFUL
BESTIALITY - HARMFUL
PEDOPHILIA - HARMFUL
Any questions?
l2c
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My comments weren't met to convey that these types of people are to be grouped together with homosexuals, per se. More it was to underline the fact that when you throw the word "tolerance" out there you put your argument on a slippery slope. What "tolerance" is learned by the child of gay parents. And if "tolerance" of a homosexual relationship is learned, then sooner or later, someone will step up and say "hey, I practice beastiality and I think everyone should tolerate it and it should not deprive me of adopting a child". Don't think it won't happen.
Oh, and homosexuality was illegal at one time, I believe it still is in some states. And homosexuals still can't get married in most states. So it's still not fully accepted.
You know, i hear that alot, that a gay couple shouldn't have kids because they will molest them. for some reason people assosciate pedophiles with gays. why is that? catholic priests anyone? jeez
and freud spewed crap, and having a mother and a father may be the norm, but isn't it time people accepted reality and finally realize that their are homosexuals out there, and they too want to start a family. Just because this family may not consist of a mother AND a father, does not mean they will turn out "screwed up". there are many screwed up kids in the world today that come from a traditional family. as long as these homosexual parents can demonstrate that they are capable parents, they should have the same rights as other couples
people should be tolerant of gays, i didn't mention anything about pedophilia or bestiality, although the catholics think there is nothing wrong with molesting only one child...well looky here, pope says child molestation is ok, and a zero-tolerance policy should not be enforced....look whos tolerating pedophilia now
and freud spewed crap, and having a mother and a father may be the norm, but isn't it time people accepted reality and finally realize that their are homosexuals out there, and they too want to start a family. Just because this family may not consist of a mother AND a father, does not mean they will turn out "screwed up". there are many screwed up kids in the world today that come from a traditional family. as long as these homosexual parents can demonstrate that they are capable parents, they should have the same rights as other couples
people should be tolerant of gays, i didn't mention anything about pedophilia or bestiality, although the catholics think there is nothing wrong with molesting only one child...well looky here, pope says child molestation is ok, and a zero-tolerance policy should not be enforced....look whos tolerating pedophilia now
Yes, as long as the people can be good parents. I have met maybe 5 or 6 people that have had homosexual parents. Each one of them were great people. Some might have been a little embarrassed but most were proud of their parents. Not a single on of the kids was homosexual themselves. Nor were they damaged in any apparent way.
I don't see anything wrong with it except that society will shun the people. But i'm from the bay area so that doesn't happen.
I don't see anything wrong with it except that society will shun the people. But i'm from the bay area so that doesn't happen.
Tolerance is way over rated.
There is a reason Gay people can't have their own children, we shouldn't then let them adopt.
There is a reason Gay people can't have their own children, we shouldn't then let them adopt.
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I say that a monogamous relationship, whether that be a gay or straight couple is key for a healthy family. I've taken child psychology classes and child development classes and from my learnings, having two parents is more important than having a male & female parent.
It's about having differening views on things, having a second parent there when the other is at work or away from home. It's about having two different people to provide input into the childs life. Having a monogamous relationship also shows commitment and reliability in a family. If a single mother is bringing home a different man every other night, that IS NOT a healthy family environment.
It is not about some gender roles from the 50's that a man has to teach a kid "man" stuff and a woman has to teach a girl "woman" stuff. Gender roles are constantly being more and more blurred. Women are working full time. Women are starting to become the breadwinners in the home, 50% of marriages end in divorce leaving only one parent anyway, ect.
And for the people who say that gays shouldn't have kids because of ridicule - how about preventing fat people from having kids? How about preventing ugly people from having kids? God knows that fat kids and ugly kids receive unrelenting torment because of their condition caused by their parents. Why should those people be able to have kids if they are going to pass down their fat genes and ugly genes and make trouble for a kid?
:disgust:
It really is a sad state of affairs when a loving couple who sincerely want to raise a kid who would otherwise be shuffled around from foster home to foster home are turned down because of what they do in the bedroom.
It's about having differening views on things, having a second parent there when the other is at work or away from home. It's about having two different people to provide input into the childs life. Having a monogamous relationship also shows commitment and reliability in a family. If a single mother is bringing home a different man every other night, that IS NOT a healthy family environment.
It is not about some gender roles from the 50's that a man has to teach a kid "man" stuff and a woman has to teach a girl "woman" stuff. Gender roles are constantly being more and more blurred. Women are working full time. Women are starting to become the breadwinners in the home, 50% of marriages end in divorce leaving only one parent anyway, ect.
And for the people who say that gays shouldn't have kids because of ridicule - how about preventing fat people from having kids? How about preventing ugly people from having kids? God knows that fat kids and ugly kids receive unrelenting torment because of their condition caused by their parents. Why should those people be able to have kids if they are going to pass down their fat genes and ugly genes and make trouble for a kid?
It really is a sad state of affairs when a loving couple who sincerely want to raise a kid who would otherwise be shuffled around from foster home to foster home are turned down because of what they do in the bedroom.
Can a kid actually reject a proposed adoption ? Or they're simply deemed lack the capacity to determine the positive and negative of that as well ?
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Originally posted by: xospec1alk
people should be tolerant of gays, i didn't mention anything about pedophilia or bestiality, although the catholics think there is nothing wrong with molesting only one child...well looky here, pope says child molestation is ok, and a zero-tolerance policy should not be enforced....look whos tolerating pedophilia now
There's that slippery slope I was talking about.
Another word is "discrimination".
Originally posted by: xospec1alk
You know, i hear that alot, that a gay couple shouldn't have kids because they will molest them. for some reason people assosciate pedophiles with gays. why is that? catholic priests anyone? jeez
and freud spewed crap, and having a mother and a father may be the norm, but isn't it time people accepted reality and finally realize that their are homosexuals out there, and they too want to start a family. Just because this family may not consist of a mother AND a father, does not mean they will turn out "screwed up". there are many screwed up kids in the world today that come from a traditional family. as long as these homosexual parents can demonstrate that they are capable parents, they should have the same rights as other couples
people should be tolerant of gays, i didn't mention anything about pedophilia or bestiality, although the catholics think there is nothing wrong with molesting only one child...well looky here, pope says child molestation is ok, and a zero-tolerance policy should not be enforced....look whos tolerating pedophilia now
This is just rediculous coming from an establishment that still thinks that heterosexual relations are sinful. I can't take anyone seriously that will actually defend child molesters. But, seeing as how i don't belong to any church, this really doesn't affect me. Just brings a good hearty laugh.
Uhmm...
Hypothetical situation. Adoptee candidate is 5 years old.
Counselor: Billy, do you like your new potential parents?
Billy: No.
repeat 100x
A child is not capable of making a decision about his future adoptive parents. The key word is child, this point would probably be valid up until age 14 or 15.
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Who says a this is not a healthy environment? You Psych teacher? C'mon. Many swingers have children, do you think we pull their kids out of the household. And if they are admitted swingers, do you think we should not let them adopt. C'mon tolerance, man, you gotta have tolerance.
Hey, and let's not forget the nudists. Many bring there families, shouldn't they be allowed to adopt. Shouldn't we be tolerant of them.
Where the hell is the line???
enlighten us please with that reason
um cpa, whats wrong with nudists adopting a child? whose to say they wouldn't be good parents? the point is that there is a governing body that determines whether a couple is fit to take care of a child. its not like you goto the adoption agency pick one out and bring em home ya kno?
as someone above posted, tolerance is about tolerance of things that are not harmful...nudists...not harmful...a little unsightly yes, not harmful
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CPA, I personally feel that parents that are "swingers" project a much more damaging image to a child than a monogamous couple, whether they be gay or straight.
Also - if a "swinger" couple openly admitted to the organization that was running the adoption process that they were swingers, it would be HIGHLY unlikely that they would be accepted as an adoption family.
I said what I feel is ideal for adoption, and why I feel that if homosexuals meet that criteria, they should be allowed for adoption.
Now would you please add something relevant to the topic?
Also - if a "swinger" couple openly admitted to the organization that was running the adoption process that they were swingers, it would be HIGHLY unlikely that they would be accepted as an adoption family.
I said what I feel is ideal for adoption, and why I feel that if homosexuals meet that criteria, they should be allowed for adoption.
Now would you please add something relevant to the topic?
Boy you're really stabbing in the dark here. Swingers?? How many heterosexuals have extramarital affairs? A FVCKING TON. Do we take away their children? No, we don't. I think if you had your way, we'd be building an orphanage on every street corner to house all the kids snatched from imperfect parents.
And what the hell is wrong with nudists? You obviously know nothing about nudism if you think it's sexual at all. Geebus, there are tribes in Africa that don't bother with clothes. Should we snatch up their children as well?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but attitudes like yours only make the adoption problem worse. What, you're going to screen everyone out who isn't Ward and June Cleaver? Meanwhile, these kids get another year without any love in their lives to speak of.
Get off your high horse already. This is real life we're talking about here.
l2c
So do you have to force yourself to be with the Opposite sex? For me it?s not a choice, when I was an early teen I looked at woman and was attracted to them, I am a guy.
So by your own words I take it you are not attracted to the opposite sex, your ?own decision? is to be with what sex you chose. I take it YOU could chose to be with the same sex. If that?s the case then you need to come out of the closet, as you will never be able to reach for the rainbow in the closet.
Hiding something? Or are you just a dumb bigot?
The only difference between this poll and one that would have taken place in the 40-60?s is take the word Gay out and put in Black.
To be a bigot today is like the same person that was a raciest in the 40-60?s. Of course if you are a Bigot and a Raciest today then that just tells us what kind of person your are, one notch below a fondler catholic priest.
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