POLL: Bush vs. Kerry in 04

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xEDIT409

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May 17, 2003
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DAAAAAAAAAAMN!

After I voted:

Total Votes: 84

Results (or somebody else)
8 (votes) 9.52 (%)
I'd vote Kerry
38 (votes) 45.24 (%)
I'd vote Bush
38 (votes) 45.24 (%)

(I voted Kerry)

I have a uneasy feeling there's gonna be another recount this yr.
 

Danman

Lifer
Nov 9, 1999
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Bush, because Kerry is just Ted Kennedy's puppet. And we wouldn't want a intern killer to be in power.


:Q
 

Jfrag Teh Foul

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Jul 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: cashman
Bush, because Kerry is just Ted Kennedy's puppet. And we wouldn't want a intern killer to be in power.


:Q

Technically speaking, he is further left than Ted Kennedy.

 

Mookow

Lifer
Apr 24, 2001
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I'll sell you my 2004 Presidental vote for $5. And I'll vote for whoever you want me to as long as they are Libertarian ;)
 

Tom

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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"Let me correct that for you.
Because Clinton decided not to deal with the Bin Laden when he had multiple chances, over 3000 of our citizens are dead. "


That is an asinine thing to say. The technology(armed predators) to accomplish this were not available until Bush was president. And it was Bush's job to use them, and to respond to the Cole attack, but because he decided to come up with a new plan( a good idea), but did not follow the old plan in the mean time( very bad idea), essentially we did nothing about terrorism for months before 9/11.

Now I'm not going to stoop to your level and blame Bush for 9/11, but the fact is he did even less than Clinton did about terrorism, before 9/11.

And then after 9/11, when we had a large number of boots on the ground in Afghanistan and had by far our best chance to root out Al-Keida there, we turned away prematurely and focused on Iraq instead.


Bush's problem is he has done a number of things prematurely and half-assed.

1.We should have finished the job in Afghanistan first, then have focused on Iraq.

2.We should have had the patience to continue containing Saddam, at least until there was some world consensus to go to war. Not doing so has cost us a fortune, and even more imprtantly, alienated a lot of countries whose help we need to fight terrorism.

3. We shouldn't have cut taxes until we were ready to cut spending, either by reducing interest payments on the debt by reducing the debt, or by whatever other means.

It would be impossible for Kerry to be worse.
 

Kelemvor

Lifer
May 23, 2002
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I chose Kerry for now... The main reason I probably won't vote for Bush is because of the Gay Marriage thing. We dont' need to amend the Constitution to promote discrimination. Leave it up to the states if nothing else.
 

BornStar

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Oct 30, 2001
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Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
I chose Kerry for now... The main reason I probably won't vote for Bush is because of the Gay Marriage thing. We dont' need to amend the Constitution to promote discrimination. Leave it up to the states if nothing else.
Kerry agrees with Bush (for now) on gay marriage.
 

Tom

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: BornStar18
Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
I chose Kerry for now... The main reason I probably won't vote for Bush is because of the Gay Marriage thing. We dont' need to amend the Constitution to promote discrimination. Leave it up to the states if nothing else.
Kerry agrees with Bush (for now) on gay marriage.

Kerry does not want to amend the Constitution about this issue.


 

lancestorm

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Oct 7, 2003
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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I know almost nothing about Kerry. I do know he's very liberal, and I would consider myself basically dead on middle of the road (ie, I can bitch at both sides). However, I do know a few things about Bush which give me pause:

1) Would support ammending the constitution to illegalize gay marriages. To me this means he's either belittle the importance of your constitution, or he's making a mountain out of a mole hill with the gay thing (or both).
2) Biggest percentage deficit in decades. This guy loves to spend. On the one hand he complains about people like Kerry taxing, but on the other he jacks up the deficit, because he knows the average person is too down right stupid to care about anything beyond the next year or so.
3) Some level of proven incompetence. I thought it was a swell idea to oust Saddamn, and I still do, but the guy at the head of hte most powerful intelligence body in the world based, in great part, a war on frankly wrong information. We were all fooled I agree. I thought we'd see some WMD by now, but then I'm not party to the secret info. The war was decently justified just to can Saddamn, but WMD was something always heard about, and it just hasn't come to be. Isn't that a bit bad starting a full scale war when one of your primary motivators is in fact totally garbage?

One problem I can think of with Kerry:
1) Wants to open the petroleum straegic reserve to save on gas prices. This is just a straight up asinine idea, any way you look at it. They're there not to save me a nickel at the pump, but allow the country to operate in times of crisis.

PS - I'm not a citizen so I can't vote anyway.

You should just rename yourself Howard Stern. That's not a compliment.
 

AkumaX

Lifer
Apr 20, 2000
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"Its a two-party system. You have to vote for one of us... Go ahead. Throw your vote away!!!"

we're SCR000ED!!!!!!!!
 

datalink7

Lifer
Jan 23, 2001
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: wkabel23
Originally posted by: BornStar18
Originally posted by: Xiety
Originally posted by: BornStar18
Originally posted by: Chumpman
bush

Go ahead and vote for Bush while he is looking for those WMD under his chair
rolleye.gif
I always get a kick out of thise one. Democrats are all up in arms about the fact that Bush got bad intel. It is, however, OK that Clinton committed pergury. I don't see how this double standard is acceptable to anybody. Would Bush going to war with Iraq have been better if the reason had been to oust Saddam?

Because Clinton committed perjury 600 soldiers and many more civilians ended up dead.
rolleye.gif


Also, where did Xiety say it was OK that Clinton committed perjury?

The perjury isn't a valid point. What IS a valid point is that Clinton not only believed there were WMDs in Iraq, he supported the war.

So to say Bush lied is to say Clinton lied, too. To say Bush was incompetent because of this is to say Clinton is, too.

OK, they are both incompetent... agreed?
 

thomsbrain

Lifer
Dec 4, 2001
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kerry isn't all that liberal. he doesn't support gay marriage, there's the oil thing skoorb mentioned, he voted to go to war in iraq, etc. he's really pretty middle of the road. but compared to bush, almost anyone is liberal.
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
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doesn't support gay marriage
Yeah he picks the "play both sides" route, which is equal union, but not marriage. That's silly, unless you remove marriage from the law books and make it only something personal or religious-based. Well, at least it's better than bush's crap.
 

Siddhartha

Lifer
Oct 17, 1999
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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I know almost nothing about Kerry. I do know he's very liberal, and I would consider myself basically dead on middle of the road (ie, I can bitch at both sides). However, I do know a few things about Bush which give me pause:

1) Would support ammending the constitution to illegalize gay marriages. To me this means he's either belittle the importance of your constitution, or he's making a mountain out of a mole hill with the gay thing (or both).
2) Biggest percentage deficit in decades. This guy loves to spend. On the one hand he complains about people like Kerry taxing, but on the other he jacks up the deficit, because he knows the average person is too down right stupid to care about anything beyond the next year or so.
3) Some level of proven incompetence. I thought it was a swell idea to oust Saddamn, and I still do, but the guy at the head of hte most powerful intelligence body in the world based, in great part, a war on frankly wrong information. We were all fooled I agree. I thought we'd see some WMD by now, but then I'm not party to the secret info. The war was decently justified just to can Saddamn, but WMD was something always heard about, and it just hasn't come to be. Isn't that a bit bad starting a full scale war when one of your primary motivators is in fact totally garbage?

One problem I can think of with Kerry:
1) Wants to open the petroleum straegic reserve to save on gas prices. This is just a straight up asinine idea, any way you look at it. They're there not to save me a nickel at the pump, but allow the country to operate in times of crisis.

PS - I'm not a citizen so I can't vote anyway.

1. What consenting adults do is none of my business.
2. Herbert Hoover proved that it is a real bad idea to try to balance the budget during a recession. Also the US is at war on two fronts plus has troops in other countries.
3. Bush has a speech impedimen which causes him to stumble over words and pause while he speaks. This causes him to come across as being not the sharpest pencil around.



 

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Aug 20, 2000
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I looked at John Kerry's profile at OnTheIssues.org and he looks pretty middle of the road. He's voted for National Missile Defence, to continue a Internet sales tax moratorium, would not touch current gun rights, promotes free trade, promotes immigration. However on health care he's a bit funky ("Make health care a right, not a privilege."), he would keep affirmative action alive and would stop federal executions unless the charges were terrorism related.

I like Bush's foreign policy but his domestic side kinda bites. It's not as if the country will drastically change depending on the leader anyways. You people need to chill. :)
 

Perknose

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Oct 9, 1999
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So to say Bush lied is to say Clinton lied, too. To say Bush was incompetent because of this is to say Clinton is, too.
By God, Amused, you've convinced me. I'm not voting for either one this election! Now, let's see, what major party candidate is left, hmmmmmm . . . <B>
</B>
 

nick1985

Lifer
Dec 29, 2002
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Originally posted by: TC2181
Originally posted by: BornStar18
Originally posted by: Xiety
Originally posted by: BornStar18
Originally posted by: Chumpman
bush

Go ahead and vote for Bush while he is looking for those WMD under his chair
rolleye.gif
I always get a kick out of thise one. Democrats are all up in arms about the fact that Bush got bad intel. It is, however, OK that Clinton committed pergury. I don't see how this double standard is acceptable to anybody. Would Bush going to war with Iraq have been better if the reason had been to oust Saddam?

The fact that we are still there and still wasting lives is what angers me most.

or indirectly saving hundreds of thousands...depending om how you look at it...
 

Yax

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Feb 11, 2003
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I'm voting for Kerry, but here are some reasons to vote for Bush:

1. All the problems we've seen so far in the Bush administration was Clinton's fault.
2. If you voted for Bush the first time around and don't vote for him now, you're stupid because you're wrong half the time.
3. We may still find WMD.
4. Democrats are the Devil.
5. Bush lowered my taxes.
and
6. Don't waste your vote on the luser, Vote for Bush instead.

And 4 out of 5 republicans agree, all are valid reasons to vote for Bush.
 

Amused

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Apr 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: Perknose
So to say Bush lied is to say Clinton lied, too. To say <STRONG>Bush</STRONG> was incompetent because of this is to say <STRONG>Clinton</STRONG> is, too.
By God, <STRONG>Amused</STRONG>, you've convinced me. I'm not voting for either one this election! Now, let's see, what major party candidate is left, hmmmmmm . . . <B>
</B>

Hold on to your smug ass there, Perk, because Kerry believed it too... as did every single intelligence agency in the world.
 

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Aug 20, 2000
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Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
I'm voting for Kerry, but here are some reasons to vote for Bush:
What are some reasons to vote for Kerry, other than "because he's not Bush"?