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Poll: Anyone engage killing innocent animals? *oops* i mean hunting

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Hey, guess what... I'm a vegetarian and I'm not against hunting.

Desy is very much right. Other than the piece about trophy hunters and poachers, I think hunting fits well with our nature, and mother nature for that matter.

If you really want to see a crime, look at cattle farms, especially those that do the boxed-cow thing (i can't remember what it is called).

Farms are far more inhumane to animals than hunting.

Or... you all could join me and make it all a moot point? Broccolli anyone?

Oh, I do fish too, but I don't keep any. I let em go.
 


<< Animals have no soul, and no sense of right and wrong. >>


I wouldn't say that. Humans are animals and we have souls 🙂 And I'm quite sure that my dog has a soul. Probably the most loving creature in this world. She knows right from wrong, she knows that when my mom gets on the phone that she doesn't get her full attention so she jumps on her and starts scracthing, jumping, and playing to get her attention. She hates just about everyone that comes to the door but my family...I go off to school and come back a few weeks later and she is so happy to see me (so much so that this past weekend she peed all over my hand when I picked her up as she was so excited to see me--she is house broken). When I left saturday to come back home, she was scratching on the glass front door and screaming her lungs out as I walked out and got into my car.

That's why I could never hunt, and why I could never pull the trigger on another human being or animal.
 
I know hunters who hunt for the sport of it, and do not use the animal themselves, but they will many time donate their &quot;prize&quot; to local shelters for the meat, the skins are donated to the local indian tribes so they can continue their way of life, and the bones are ground up and used in many farmers fertilizer. To me, this is the way it should be, not just some a$$hole can hang a trophy on the wall and show how much of a &quot;MAN&quot; he is because he can pay some guide to help him kill for the shear joy of killing.

BTW, we are all GODS creatures, and all of us, animals included, have souls.

Didn't you see &quot;All Dogs Go To Heaven&quot;? 🙂
 


<< There's no such thing. Animals have no soul, and no sense of right and wrong >>



They do have a sense of right and wrong. Do you suppose that if you were never taught as a kid the difference between right and wrong that you'd know the difference? Animals do have a sense of right and wrong, but because they cannot communicate with humans, their understanding of right and wrong is different from ours. I suppose when animal's young die that they feel no compassion. That they dont feel hurt or loss. That they dont know that they are not supposed to kill their own kind just because they get angry. That just because we humans view ourselves as superior that they have no soul and they have no sense of right and wrong, that they are not capable of thinking for themselves.
 
I am totally against hunting for sport. If you are going to use the meat and feed your family, then good. But if you go and kill an animal just to have a trophy above your fireplace, in my opinion, that is just wrong. I believe every living thing has feelings, just like humans, and I believe we should respect them.
 


<< Its a strange mix of pride and achievment coupled with remorse for the life you have taken and until you experience it you will never understand. >>



Then whats the difference between going out and killing a complete stranger? Like you said, ever since the dawn of time man has resorted to killing other animals, including himself. We've killed millions of people in wars, but for some reason just because animals dont walk, talk, drive cars, that its ok to kill them but its considered a crime to kill a human? I'm sorry but I don't believe in the sport &quot;hunting&quot; and never will. I know I don't and won't get satisfaction from killing something myself personally. True I might be some inhumane bastardized killer just because I eat meat, but thats different from hunting.
 
So... what are you so worked up into a froth over?

Some hunter kill your favorite deer or something? - Crimony. If you don't like to hunt, DON'T HUNT. That really solves the problem doesn't it?

There's alot of people who feel just as emotional about high taxes, government intrusion, and people trying to force others to do (or not do) whatever their pet peeve is. By all means, go out and cuddle a grizzly bear. - and ask him while he's ripping you to shreds to stop because it's &quot;wrong&quot; :Q
 
Now you have done it. I grew up on a farm and raised veal. I can't believe the crap and lies that get told about veal. The calves are in what is called a stall. It is made of boards, but does not have a top or back. The boards have gaps between them. The calves do have a chain around their neck to keep them in the stall, but it is not tight or they would die. The stalls are raised about a foot off the floor so that their feces will go through the boards and they have the wood to sleep on. Why are the animals in stalls? Because they are on a liquid diet. Imagine how much time you'd spend in the bathroom if you were on a liquid diet. Get the picture? They have the runs at first and get can get sick from a variety of illnesses, just as people, so you need to keep track of them. If they were running around free how could you tell which one was sick? They wouldn't crap and then stand by it pointing out to you that they are sick, right?

I've heard people say that they heard that veal calves have their legs broken, but that is another lie, possibly created by PETA. Our barn held 204 animals. How do you move 204 animals that weigh about 400 lbs each when they have broken legs? Also, we were penalized for bruised meat. The bruised meat is either cut off or you get less per pound for it. Common sense can tell you that most stories about veal are just that, stories that someone pulled out of their arse.

Those animals were treated very well on our farm. It was sad thinking that every one was going to die, but as others have said, the meat on your plate has to come from somewhere.

And where did you see &quot;videos&quot; of farmers killing animals? Any large quantity of animals, including our veal calves, must be killed at an appropriate facility and the facility must be inspected on a regular basis. Farmers just can't kill all their animals and then take the meat somewhere. They can kill one or two animals for their own food, but that is very rare.

PG
 
Fishing is hunting..........and ducks taste good, come to think of it Boar is excellent with a wild berry and nut consume'. 🙂 Hunting/Killing a animal is something that homo sapians, another animal, have been doing for thousands of years, for sustanance. I Fish and Hunt, I eat what I kill (harvest) its not for trophy. I have no clue why you think thats cruel, at least I have the balls to look the animal I intend on eating in the eye before I do instead of &quot;hunting&quot; for meat at the supermarket where some else has done the &quot;dirty work&quot; for you. Just my $0.02.



SHUX
 
Another question for all you animal rights people...

Why is OK for a bear to kill a deer &amp; eat it, or a pack of wolves to kill a moose, lions to kill zebras, fish to catch insects &amp; smaller fish, etc, etc, etc... But not OK for humans to do the same? You should be glad you're at the top of the food chain. Granted, that doesn't mean we have the right to abuse it (read: Trophy hunting), but we sure as hell shouldn't condemn it. It's part of nature.

Viper GTS
 
Viper - good point, but we're NOT at the top of the foodchain:Q
Ever seen &quot;Blade&quot; 😀
 
Don't feel bad about killing bambi, he'd do the same thing to you if he could.

On another note I'm not sure animals have an idea about right and wrong. My dog looks guilty if she's done something wrong, but if we hadn't trained her not to do that, then she wouldn't care at all. Hopefully humans are more advanced than this and I think that everyone has some idea of right and wrong that wasn't taught us. Who knows though.
 
Animals have a sense of what is right and wrong for their world, when we train them, we teach them what is right and wrong in ours.
 
They do have a sense of right and wrong. Do you suppose that if you were never taught as a kid the difference between right and wrong that you'd know the difference? Animals do have a sense of right and wrong, but because they cannot communicate with humans, their understanding of right and wrong is different from ours. I suppose when animal's young die that they feel no compassion. That they dont feel hurt or loss. That they dont know that they are not supposed to kill their own kind just because they get angry. That just because we humans view ourselves as superior that they have no soul and they have no sense of right and wrong, that they are not capable of thinking for themselves.

Then explain to me why:

- Domesticated dogs frequently maul small children.
- Rabbits frequently eat their babies
- Chicks will peck one another to death
- Grown chimps will hunt, kill, and eat the group's young
- Cats torture their prey

And the list goes on.

Viper GTS
 
&quot;Right and Wrong&quot; are defined by culture.

In some cultures, eating dogs and cats is traditional.
In some, eating a cow will get you executed.

I reiterate, By all means, go cuddle a grizzly bear and ask him to stop ripping you to shreds because he should &quot;know it's wrong&quot;... what a crock of crap.🙂
 
Just curious, for those of you who are adamant about the evil of hunting, how do you feel about abortion? How do you reconcile the difference if you don't feel the later is also evil. Again, just curious, not finger pointing.

My dad's about 72. Loves to hunt deer. Mostly with a bow. The man studies the habits of the animals all year. Looking for tracks, antler rubs etc. Tell him its not sport! Sure if you're the kind of hunter who drives around until he/she sees an animal and then pulls over and pulls out a high powered rifle with higher powered scope, then yeah, not sport.

I've only gone out with him a couple of times (with a rifle). Had to hike up a mountain. No trails, over rocks, tree falls and creeks. Took an hour to get to a spot that my dad had found to be a runway for deer. He got a 180 lb buck at this spot and had to drag it down by himself one day. Took him 3 1/2 hours!!! Had a chance one day to take a doe but didn't. Not because of my reservation re: killing but because it would have ended the hunt that day for him.

Like a lot of things - if you don't like it don't do it.

P.S. venison sliced thin and fried in butter is delicious!



 
evil of hunting, how do you feel about abortion? How do you reconcile the difference if you don't feel the later is also evil.

I feel the same way about both (trophy hunting, that is). 😉
 


<< The steak that you bought at the supermarket didn't exactly just fall out of the sky. >>



Good thing, too. It's hard enough just dodging the bird crap.

Russ, NCNE
 
My take is this: if you don't want to hunt, don't do so. Otherwise allow those that enjoy their sport the option to pursue it. Banning everything in sight that a select few deem unreasonable will only result in more anger, more misinformation and more problems for society. Yeah, I'm generalizing but freedom is essential for happiness. Oh and go hug a tree (I hope it's a maple tree at that &quot;special&quot; time of year, too).
 
I don't hunt, but I do think it's alright if people choose to do so. Who am I to say it's wrong?



<< Then explain to me why:

- Domesticated dogs frequently maul small children.
- Rabbits frequently eat their babies
- Chicks will peck one another to death
- Grown chimps will hunt, kill, and eat the group's young
- Cats torture their prey

And the list goes on. >>



I could list all the horrible crap we humans do to eachother every day, but that doesn't mean all humans don't know the difference between good or bad.
 


<< Why is OK for a bear to kill a deer &amp; eat it, or a pack of wolves to kill a moose, lions to kill zebras, fish to catch insects &amp; smaller fish, etc, etc, etc... But not OK for humans to do the same? >>




This is an interesting point. I think part of the answer lies in the emotional character of carnivore/omnivore animals, and partly that these animals almost never kill purely for the joy of killing, and more purposely to feed themselves, or for reproductive reasons. I don't think hunting is wrong or right, personally, as to me motivation is more important than action.

What sickens me is the joy of killing. If the joy of causing death were fundamental and pervasive in our society, we'd probably live in a very grim world. I'm thankful that way of thinking is in the minority. It's also pretty obvious that hunters are ashamed of this b/c they almost never openly admit that at least some of them hunt purely for the rush from inflicting pain or death. The guilt there shows something is unnatural about this.
 
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