PocketPC vs Palm benefits/drawbacks of either one? I need help deciding on a PDA.

[stonecold3169]

Joe Monkey, I can get you started. The Divx codec for pocket PC can be found at www.projectmayo.com . It's an opensource adoptation of the codec, so it's perfectly legal.

 

[NFS4]

<< RoninRXN:


<< Sony PEG-N760 = $599
IPaq 3760 = $599.

Hmmmm....not only are you reading impaired, your math also sucks. >>



Actually, your shopping ability sucks. The LIST price of a sony n760 is $499. Not a single store is going to sell it for more than that, guaranteed. I got my 760 for $350. My friend just got one for $275 with a 64mb mem stick. That's less than half the price of a 3760.

I got the sony clie 760 because it satisfies my purposes in an efficient manner. I used a PPC and it was like a brick compared to my clie. It was a Casio EM500 I think? I also happened to get $250 worth of memory sticks (3x 64mb) for $50 that can be used in my digicam and clie. I'm sure that helped...

I think it comes down to this:
PalmOS is for the techy-type people that are interested in organizing their life with maybe a few bells and whistles, but are NOT the people like you'll find at anandtech who are overclocking everything on their PC, including their mouse . OF COURSE, this crowd is going to like the PPC more... It can DO more. Who would want to watch a 5 FPS movie on a 3" screen is beyond me. Anandtecher's just care that it CAN do it, not if it's useful. I can take my clie to the grocery store in my pants pocket, whip it out and scroll through my grocery list by a single button push. MEMO key. I don't fiddle around with the stylus or silly START button menu's. MEMO key, and jog dial...Painless.

That said, I wouldn't spend $600 on a palmos. My clie rules, but I only spent $400 for the clie, headphones, and 3x 64mb.

what i would recommend is the Sony Clie T415. It's the THINNEST PDA on the market, has the high-res screen, and only costs $299. HALF the price of a 3760. That $ matters. >>


Here we go again:|

PocketPC's do not playback video at 5 FPS (STOP GETTING IT CONFUSED WITH PALM's slow DragonBall processor). It plays back video at 20-30FPS SMOOTHLY be it MPG, WMV, AVI, or ASF with the 206MHz StrongARm processor. It is quite enjoyable to watch a movie on the screen if you try it.

Secondly, an iPAQ 3635 (32MB RAM WITH CompactFlash sleeve can be had for UNDER $200), and it's far superior to any Sony given its price and capabilities.

http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35837

A 64MB iPAQ 3670 can be had for under $300 and you can buy the $30 PocketPC 2002 upgrade from Compaq. You can also purchase the upgrade for the 3635

 

[stonecold3169]

Also, the one thing that might seal the tomb for real this time is the development of a palm os emulator for ppc. The hardware is there to do it, we just need a way to use it. It's in the works, and is out if you look hard enough, just at 75% speed. This opens up all software to you, which really kills the palm's main advantage.

 

[Joemonkey]

ok, so i could start downloading some useful stuff now so i'll be ready to throw it on my ipaq when it gets here? also, check out the edit on my previous post and see if ya could answer it... please??

 

[potatosalad]

<< which really kills the palm's main advantage. >>



The Palm emulator increases the Microsoft contraption's battery life twentyfold???

That is some darn good software!

 

[stonecold3169]

Joe, you can load without an adapter, but for huge files (such as a divX) you're best off using a usb reader as it will be much quicker.

 

[stonecold3169]

Well, potatoe, if you can use theire software, and have all their hardware already built in, aren't you saying that the only thing that Palm still has over ppc is the battery life?

 

[Joemonkey]

when you say "quicker" are you talking like if u use a USB CF reader, it'll take like 2 minutes, but if i load directly through cradle it'll be like 10 minutes? cuz something like that is fine... but if USB reader would be like 30 seconds and cradle would be like 2 hours, i'd have to think about it

 

[NFS4]

Joe, check your private messages

 

[stonecold3169]

I wouldn't honestly be able to quote times, but it would be much faster to go through the reader... very, very much faster. Remember though, not all reader/writers and compact flash cards are the same speeds, some do transmit faster

 

[potatosalad]

<< Well, potatoe, if you can use theire software, and have all their hardware already built in, aren't you saying that the only thing that Palm still has over ppc is the battery life? >>



Nope. There's sleek size, graffiti/Jot dual compatibility, Springboard modules for Handsprings, jog dial for Sony's, gamepad/joystick clipons that are not available for Microsoft contraptions, and countless other things.

Battery life is simply the cherry on top. (Big cherry)

 

[stonecold3169]

Sorry bud, you lose again... the palm emulatore has graffiti built in. The Casio ppc has a jogdial. The Ipaq already has a gamepad button in the center, and it comes standard. As far as looks go, the Ipaq reigns supream, as I've had girls actually compliment me on it. Although, I will give you that the vicor edge is pretty spiffy.

 

[potatosalad]

How many pounds is the iPaq?

5 or 10?

 

[stonecold3169]

whoops, bad call again, you picked the lightest ppc with the ipaq, at 6.4 oz

 

[RoninRXN]

<< Now that this isn't about just 2 handhelds I think I'll jump back in.

NFS4 is just about the only reasonable person here. Instead of saying "Palm is crap" or "PPC is crap" he manages to acknowlede the fact that they both have their benefits.

There is a lot of medical and academic software out there that is only available for the Palm. In this situation a PPC is simply not an option.

But lets face it: Short of these situations a PPC can do everything that a Palm device can and more. That being said it makes no sense to buy a Palm when you can get a PPC for the same price.

To say that Palms are worthless, however, is foolish. The Palm OS is very effictive at what it was designed to do, as NFS4 acknowledged. They are also (usually) much cheaper. If a person just wants to keep track of his life and nothing more a Palm is sufficient and it won't break the bank.

Essentially, Palms have their usage, but don't waste your money on one if it is more than $200. >>



Does no one listen?

I own and use a Palm

 

[NFS4]

<< How many pounds is the iPaq?

5 or 10? >>


It weighs 6.5 ounces you ass.

 

[stonecold3169]

Also, the main reason I got my ppc (I have a Palm IIIxe by the way) was so I could do my programing for school on it. Even if there was a compiler for palm, I'm sure it would be slow as death to use.

 

[RoninRXN]

This battery life thing is really pissing me off.

My Sony Clie S320 runs for about a week or two on one charge. NOT 2 MONTHS. EVEN PALM SAYS IT RUNS FOR 2 WEEKS MAX.

 

[potatosalad]

<< Even if there was a compiler for palm, I'm sure it would be slow as death to use. >>



There is, and it isn't.

But you never tried, so how the hell would you know?

 

[stonecold3169]

funny that you would say there was a compiler without knowing what type of coding I'm doing...

 

[straubs]

<< Here we go again:|

PocketPC's do not playback video at 5 FPS (STOP GETTING IT CONFUSED WITH PALM's slow DragonBall processor). It plays back video at 20-30FPS SMOOTHLY be it MPG, WMV, AVI, or ASF with the 206MHz StrongARm processor. It is quite enjoyable to watch a movie on the screen if you try it.

Secondly, an iPAQ 3635 (32MB RAM WITH CompactFlash sleeve can be had for UNDER $200), and it's far superior to any Sony given its price and capabilities.

A 64MB iPAQ 3670 can be had for under $300 and you can buy the $30 PocketPC 2002 upgrade from Compaq. You can also purchase the upgrade for the 3635 >>




Here we go again? I think I made my points about both w/o any disrespect and/or flaming. Please offer me the same courtesy, thank you. I like PPC's and I think they will continue to gain market share.

You watch a movie using a CF card? Movies are HUGE. I have DIVX. They are still huge. I have better things to put on my flash memory than a single movie. Like my entire digital photo album, mp3s, games, apps, maps, etc.

AGAIN, I said that I'm talking normal prices, NOT hot deals used by jumping through hoops. You sent that thread, but you can use coupons like those on Palm-based products too, so what's the point?

3670 is $473.99 at Buy.com

For $500, the 3670 is probably a better buy than the clie 760. If you get a clie 710 for $250-ish and flash it to 760 (identical hardware), I have to say that's probably a better deal

 

[777php]

<< This battery life thing is really pissing me off.

My Sony Clie S320 runs for about a week or two on one charge. NOT 2 MONTHS. EVEN PALM SAYS IT RUNS FOR 2 WEEKS MAX.
>>



Mr. Potatohead - Please address this now, especially before you post again about Palm's 2 MONTH battery life.

 

[Czar]

Palms, not bad, my friend has one and my mom has one, but both of them get a gleem in their eyes when I pull out my ipaq

 

[NFS4]

<<

<< Here we go again:|

PocketPC's do not playback video at 5 FPS (STOP GETTING IT CONFUSED WITH PALM's slow DragonBall processor). It plays back video at 20-30FPS SMOOTHLY be it MPG, WMV, AVI, or ASF with the 206MHz StrongARm processor. It is quite enjoyable to watch a movie on the screen if you try it.

Secondly, an iPAQ 3635 (32MB RAM WITH CompactFlash sleeve can be had for UNDER $200), and it's far superior to any Sony given its price and capabilities.

A 64MB iPAQ 3670 can be had for under $300 and you can buy the $30 PocketPC 2002 upgrade from Compaq. You can also purchase the upgrade for the 3635 >>




Here we go again? I think I made my points about both w/o any disrespect and/or flaming. Please offer me the same courtesy, thank you. I like PPC's and I think they will continue to gain market share.

You watch a movie using a CF card? Movies are HUGE. I have DIVX. They are still huge. I have better things to put on my flash memory than a single movie. Like my entire digital photo album, mp3s, games, apps, maps, etc.

AGAIN, I said that I'm talking normal prices, NOT hot deals used by jumping through hoops. You sent that thread, but you can use coupons like those on Palm-based products too, so what's the point?

3670 is $473.99 at Buy.com

For $500, the 3670 is probably a better buy than the clie 760. If you get a clie 710 for $250-ish and flash it to 760 (identical hardware), I have to say that's probably a better deal >>


Where did I flame you???? I just said here we go again b/c yet ANOTHER person spreads misinformation about 5 FPS video playback which is blatantly FALSE!.

I can fit a 2 hour long video on my iPAQ's 256MB CompactFlash card. I specifically rip the DVD and resize it down to the iPAQ's screen myself. If I'm not watching a movie, the card is filled with MP3's, games, documents, etc.

Also the 3670 was available for $299 from CompUSA just a few weeks ago after mail in rebate. Anyone worth their salt SHOPS AROUND before buying something like this.

 

[potatosalad]

<< funny that you would say there was a compiler without knowing what type of coding I'm doing... >>



Off the top of my head, Palm has C, C++, Java, Smalltalk and Fortran compilers.

Are you doing something else?