PocketPC vs Palm benefits/drawbacks of either one? I need help deciding on a PDA.

[potatosalad]

Look, you may be too narrowminded to see the point of all of the different uses a PDA can be put to.

That is not a problem with the different uses and the people who may want to use them.

That is a problem with your own narrowmindedness.

Like you have asked, and like I have demonstrated, there are thousands of useful Palm software programs that have no port nor counterpart on the Microsoft contraption platform.

Plus the pathetic battery life.

It's a clincher.

Palm is king.

But feel free to tell yourself otherwise. If you repeat it enough times, you might be able to convince yourself!

 

[NFS4]

And another thing. Why do you keep calling them WinCE devices?? They are PocketPC's you fool! While WinCE 3.0 is the basis for the PocketPC/PocketPC 2002, that's is NOT what the devices are called. WinCE is just the name of the developing platform. Windows XP uses the NT kernel, but you don't call it Windows NT.

I think you're just pissed at how subpar WinCE 1.x/2.x was so you want to drag that along into the discussion...I THINK NOT BIZN@TCH

So from now on, refer to the PDA's as they should be referred to as, PocketPC's.

Thank you, and have a pleasant night

 

[NFS4]

<< Look, you may be too narrowminded to see the point of all of the different uses a PDA can be put to.

That is not a problem with the different uses and the people who may want to use them.

That is a problem with your own narrowmindedness.

Like you have asked, and like I have demonstrated, there are thousands of useful Palm software programs that have no port nor counterpart on the Microsoft contraption platform.

Plus the pathetic battery life.

It's a clincher.

Palm is king.

But feel free to tell yourself otherwise. If you repeat it enough times, you might be able to convince yourself! >>


potatosalad, what does Palm taste like? B/C the load they shot in your mouth must be REAL sweet...

 

[potatosalad]

Microsoft has no idea what their products are called.

Microsoft has at one time or another called their products

* Palm PCs
* Windows CE handhelds
* Powered by Windows Handhelds
* Pocket PCs
* Pocket PC 2002
* God knows what else

If you want to get angry, get angry at Microsoft for failing to create a consistent brand.

In stark contrast to this, Palm units went from Palm Pilot to Palm. That's it. Everyone knows what they are called.

This is called branding, a concept that is obviously foreign to Microsoft.

 

[stonecold3169]

Well, potatoe, you're certainly right, there is no omni-remote for windows CE... luckily, however, we have a nice, full color remote program that can beam from 1,5- 5 meters out of the box, unlike the palm's pathetic range which you need to get an extension for. As for the Palmasutra, how about you get the REAL karmasutra and put it on your ppc in full color? Can't do that with your palm. Hell, if you wanted to you could hear women moaning on mp3 on your ppc, which is probably nothing you'll ever hear, only in part because you can't listen to mp3 on your handheld...

 

[Czar]

potatosalad
This is a WinCE3.0 device
This is a PocketPC device

Not the same obviosly.


Everyone has their preference, a palm a ppc, just a question about what you want. Some people want a Intel processor while other want AMD processors. Nothing wrong with that, but still we know AMD currently makes better processors, only time will tell how it will be in the future. The present is a fact though.

 

[potatosalad]

Palms do color and Palms play mp3.

Which rock have you been living under?

 

[777php]

<< Look, you may be too narrowminded to see the point of all of the different uses a PDA can be put to. >>



OMG....You're talking about someone being narrowminded?

You have no less than 4 people telling you about the features of PPC yet have not even made an attempt to recognize their points.

You sir are a hypocrite.

 

[stonecold3169]

plus, you're completely ignoring the fact that most large buisnesses that make up the majority of the market share for palm use devices that have rechargable batteries built in... WHOOPS! Guess that throws your battery life down the drain!

 

[NFS4]

<< Microsoft has no idea what their products are called.

Microsoft has at one time or another called their products

* Palm PCs
* Windows CE handhelds
* Powered by Windows Handhelds
* Pocket PCs
* Pocket PC 2002
* God knows what else

If you want to get angry, get angry at Microsoft for failing to create a consistent brand.

In stark contrast to this, Palm units went from Palm Pilot to Palm. That's it. Everyone knows what they are called.

This is called branding, a concept that is obviously foreign to Microsoft. >>


Hey french frie, anything with handheld in the name has nothing to do with PDA's anyway. Handheld units have flip up screens with keyboards. For PDA's (which compare to Palms), Microsoft has gone from PalmPC's to PocketPC's. Big WHOOP.

Sit yo ass down, you're DONE!

 

[potatosalad]

<< Guess that throws your battery life down the drain! >>



What the hell are you talking about?

A Palm carries 2 months worth of charge regardless of whether you use one-time batteries or rechargables.

A Microsoft contraption lasts a few hours regardless of whether you use one-time batteries or rechargables.

 

[RoninRXN]

<< Look, you may be too narrowminded to see the point of all of the different uses a PDA can be put to.

That is not a problem with the different uses and the people who may want to use them.

That is a problem with your own narrowmindedness.

Like you have asked, and like I have demonstrated, there are thousands of useful Palm software programs that have no port nor counterpart on the Microsoft contraption platform.

Plus the pathetic battery life.

It's a clincher.

Palm is king.

But feel free to tell yourself otherwise. If you repeat it enough times, you might be able to convince yourself! >>



Hehehe...hey guys, he's calling ME narrowminded.

Hmmm...I don't think I have to explain this one but for the stupid (i.e. you.), I acknowledge the merits of both OSes while you repeatedly bash "Microsoft contraptions" and say there is nothing good about them.

Can a Palm do FMV? Can a Palm play SimCity 2000?

BTW, I see very little software that a Palm has that PPC doesn't have something that can do it just as well.

And as myself and other have said...no one needs more than 12 hours a day on their PDA.

Me...narrowminded? Not when compared to you. =)

Do I need to remind you that I own and use a Palm?

 

[stonecold3169]

HAHAHA, you just set yourself up... read a comparison manual put out by palm comparing the battery life of units with rechargables and those that use AAA batteries... they specificly say that they're good for UPTO 2 weeks of brisk useage

 

[RoninRXN]

<<

<< Guess that throws your battery life down the drain! >>



What the hell are you talking about?

A Palm carries 2 months worth of charge regardless of whether you use one-time batteries or rechargables.

A Microsoft contraption lasts a few hours regardless of whether you use one-time batteries or rechargables. >>



<<<BUZZ>>> Wrong again, Watson!

My S320 gets a week on it's lithium built-in rechargables. Did I mention I own and use a Palm everyday?

 

[RoninRXN]

<< Palms do color and Palms play mp3.

Which rock have you been living under? >>



I know of TWO that do it built in.

Sony 710 and Sony 760.

If I remember correctly, there are far more PPCs that do that.

As for color...how can you even compare the PPC screen to a Palm one?

BTW...did I mention PPC does FMV and divx?

 

[stonecold3169]

By the way guys, you don't mind me trying to give you a hand here against the lamer, do you?

 

[RoninRXN]

<< potatosalad
This is a WinCE3.0 device
This is a PocketPC device

Not the same obviosly.


Everyone has their preference, a palm a ppc, just a question about what you want. Some people want a Intel processor while other want AMD processors. Nothing wrong with that, but still we know AMD currently makes better processors, only time will tell how it will be in the future. The present is a fact though. >>



Hey man, that JVC device actually looks pretty cool. How big is it?

 

[straubs]

RoninRXN:


<< Sony PEG-N760 = $599
IPaq 3760 = $599.

Hmmmm....not only are you reading impaired, your math also sucks. >>



Actually, your shopping ability sucks. The LIST price of a sony n760 is $499. Not a single store is going to sell it for more than that, guaranteed. I got my 760 for $350. My friend just got one for $275 with a 64mb mem stick. That's less than half the price of a 3760.

I got the sony clie 760 because it satisfies my purposes in an efficient manner. I used a PPC and it was like a brick compared to my clie. It was a Casio EM500 I think? I also happened to get $250 worth of memory sticks (3x 64mb) for $50 that can be used in my digicam and clie. I'm sure that helped...

I think it comes down to this:
PalmOS is for the techy-type people that are interested in organizing their life with maybe a few bells and whistles, but are NOT the people like you'll find at anandtech who are overclocking everything on their PC, including their mouse . OF COURSE, this crowd is going to like the PPC more... It can DO more. Who would want to watch a 5 FPS movie on a 3" screen is beyond me. Anandtecher's just care that it CAN do it, not if it's useful. I can take my clie to the grocery store in my pants pocket, whip it out and scroll through my grocery list by a single button push. MEMO key. I don't fiddle around with the stylus or silly START button menu's. MEMO key, and jog dial...Painless.

That said, I wouldn't spend $600 on a palmos. My clie rules, but I only spent $400 for the clie, headphones, and 3x 64mb.

what i would recommend is the Sony Clie T415. It's the THINNEST PDA on the market, has the high-res screen, and only costs $299. HALF the price of a 3760. That $ matters.

 

[stonecold3169]

Actually, to be fair in your pricing, I believe just a few days ago there was a hot deal here to get a ipaq 3760 for $299

 

[Joemonkey]

i recently ordered the iPaq 3635, and you guys are making me want it to get here SOOOO bad... i'm planning on snagging a 256 CF card to throw in as well

only thing i don't understand, is where do you get all this software for PPCs? i was going to search on google or something, but figured you guys could give me much better resources for stuff like that. What i mean is, where do i get a good MP3 player, divx player, SimCity2000, etc. etc....

i'm not talking warez or anything, just wondering how you figured out so much about PPCs and what they can do... i've read the whole thread and i feel like i'm getting half the story, as in "the PPC can do this" but not the "and this is how"

[edit] forgot a big question... do i need a CF reader, or can i load stuff on the ipaq directly through the cradle if i have the CF in the unit??[/edit]

 

[Czar]

RoninRXN

another picture
You can see on the side there, thats a normal usb connector and a speaker connector. Its about the same size as a small book. It was on display there plaing mp3's on those speakers, had a huge playlist to. It was a little slow though, when playing those mp3's and scrolling the playlist was.. hikky, but I think thats just the software. WindowsCE3.0 looks exactly like windows just with some things removed. The only improvement i would like to see on that device is a bigger screen, let it fill out the area a bit more. And btw, the screen res was amazing

edit.. I realy should upload the hundreds of pictures I took at cebit this year and write a somesortof a jurnal and post it here, anyone interested?

 

[potatosalad]

<< what i would recommend is the Sony Clie T415. It's the THINNEST PDA on the market, has the high-res screen, and only costs $299. HALF the price of a 3760. That $ matters. >>



Word.

If you want to watch videos, buy a Transmeta subnotebook w/ a DVD drive and bring along some DVDs.

 

[Deleted member 54998]

Now that this isn't about just 2 handhelds I think I'll jump back in.

NFS4 is just about the only reasonable person here. Instead of saying "Palm is crap" or "PPC is crap" he manages to acknowlede the fact that they both have their benefits.

There is a lot of medical and academic software out there that is only available for the Palm. In this situation a PPC is simply not an option.

But lets face it: Short of these situations a PPC can do everything that a Palm device can and more. That being said it makes no sense to buy a Palm when you can get a PPC for the same price.

To say that Palms are worthless, however, is foolish. The Palm OS is very effictive at what it was designed to do, as NFS4 acknowledged. They are also (usually) much cheaper. If a person just wants to keep track of his life and nothing more a Palm is sufficient and it won't break the bank.

Essentially, Palms have their usage, but don't waste your money on one if it is more than $200.

 

[straubs]

And I'm not sure why we can't compare the palm os screen to a ppc? Have you used a Sony Clie 7xx? The screen is a higher resolution, and the only thing smaller about it, is the graffitti area, which I find very useful for always having text entry in the same spot.

And, if you aren't getting my points, I'm not claiming palm is better, but you can't get a 3760 for $299 either.

 

[straubs]

I'm comparing normal prices. not "jump through the hoops / hope i get in on it" hot deals.