Pistol-Packing Soccer Mom Sues Sheriff

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IGBT
..if you have a CW keep it to your self.

Yeah, I think her main problem is she carried openly. It's not illegal, but for some illogical reason it seems to panic people.

I'm going to go with the fact that most people don't want someone openly carrying a handgun around their children. Most people in this country don't desire to be around firearms in most situations.

There is a thread devoted to fund raising for this woman HERE. As well as extensive discussion with PA residents and licensed gun owners. PA open carry has a website and the discussion about "open carry" is constant.

I know you want to go on some classic amused diatribe about our rights and the government and blah blah blah, but there isn't much need to. The sheriff was ultimately wrong in pursueing the revocation of her license, we know that (or so says the court). Though he may not have been unjust in the initial complaint handling.

Sure it's her right to carry and "openly" (mabey) if she so desires. Though she should definitely use some better judgement on when to exercise that right.

 

[EGGO]

Originally posted by: child of wonder
Those who treat guns like a toy or something to make them look bad ass should not be allowed to have guns.

Didn't seem to be doing that.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: calvinbiss

Originally posted by: Lamont Burns
Not really enough detail regarding the end of the second bolded portion. Lady carries a concealed weapon to a kid's soccer game that everyone apparently can clearly see?

I am with this. If the permit is for a concealed weapon and she carried it openly, then should abused her right and the permit should be taken away.

I don't know the law in Penn, but if there is no open carry statue, then she is in the wrong.

Considering it was not taken away for violating any laws then I would say that her open carry there was legal. It appears that her license was revoked because her carrying openly (despite it being 100% legal) put her character in question.

Interestingly, it is STILL 100% legal for her to open carry to the next soccer game, so there seems to be no logical basis to the ruling.

 

[Amused]

Now wait a minute.

We have accusations that she is trying to be a "badass" simply for exercising her 2nd Amendment rights. From where does this come from? Where in the article or anywhere on the net has she been accused of brandishing or threatening anyone? The pistol was holstered the entire time per the article. It is legal to carry in PA and she had a permit.

Secondly, we have a claim that the sheriff was "doing his job." How so? She broke no law, nor did she endanger the lives or violate the rights of anyone else.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IGBT
..if you have a CW keep it to your self.

Yeah, I think her main problem is she carried openly. It's not illegal, but for some illogical reason it seems to panic people.

I'm going to go with the fact that most people don't want someone openly carrying a handgun around their children. Most people in this country don't desire to be around firearms in most situations.

There is a thread devoted to fund raising for this woman HERE. As well as extensive discussion with PA residents and licensed gun owners. PA open carry has a website and the discussion about "open carry" is constant.

I know you want to go on some classic amused diatribe about our rights and the government and blah blah blah, but there isn't much need to. The sheriff was ultimately wrong in pursueing the revocation of her license, we know that (or so says the court). Though he may not have been unjust in the initial complaint handling.

Sure it's her right to carry and "openly" (mabey) if she so desires. Though she should definitely use some better judgement on when to exercise that right.

No diatribe here. I totally agree with you. I even agree with the last paragraph of your post.

Why do you hate me so? 🙁

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Stupid bitch. She already got the permit back, why sue? Dumbass redneck wise and beautiful woman.

Read the article, it's pretty clear why she's suing. Dumbass foreigner.

 

[OUCaptain]

Another worthless debate. We have no detail as to where she was carrying the gun. It certainly does not say anything about her showing it off. My guess is someone happened to catch a glimpse of it and told the other parents without any idea she has a ccw. It does seem the sheriff stepped over the line though.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: OUCaptain
Another worthless debate. We have no detail as to where she was carrying the gun. It certainly does not say anything about her showing it off. My guess is someone happened to catch a glimpse of it and told the other parents without any idea she has a ccw. It does seem the sheriff stepped over the line though.

I wouldn't call it worthless. You seem to have just enough info to have formed an opinion.

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IGBT
..if you have a CW keep it to your self.

Yeah, I think her main problem is she carried openly. It's not illegal, but for some illogical reason it seems to panic people.

I'm going to go with the fact that most people don't want someone openly carrying a handgun around their children. Most people in this country don't desire to be around firearms in most situations.

There is a thread devoted to fund raising for this woman HERE. As well as extensive discussion with PA residents and licensed gun owners. PA open carry has a website and the discussion about "open carry" is constant.

I know you want to go on some classic amused diatribe about our rights and the government and blah blah blah, but there isn't much need to. The sheriff was ultimately wrong in pursueing the revocation of her license, we know that (or so says the court). Though he may not have been unjust in the initial complaint handling.

Sure it's her right to carry and "openly" (mabey) if she so desires. Though she should definitely use some better judgement on when to exercise that right.

No diatribe here. I totally agree with you. I even agree with the last paragraph of your post.

Why do you hate me so? 🙁

Oh, no hate here. Pure man love baby.

I was just ready to watch you bite some peoples heads off in a thread like this. 😀

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: Baked
Dear stupid bitch, It's called concealed carry, not show off carry. Don't go around town acting like you're the fucking sheriff, showing off your fucking gun, and people wouldn't give you the eye.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IGBT
..if you have a CW keep it to your self.

Yeah, I think her main problem is she carried openly. It's not illegal, but for some illogical reason it seems to panic people.

Not illogical at all given how many stories we see in the news about people snapping and shooting up people/places.

 

[Liet]

I particularly enjoy the repeated emphasis on 5-year old's soccer game. As though somehow that makes this a really horrible crime.

Dear god, someone had a gun in the near vicinity of children! It might've accidentally gone off and killed the entire penalty line!

Pffft.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IGBT
..if you have a CW keep it to your self.

Yeah, I think her main problem is she carried openly. It's not illegal, but for some illogical reason it seems to panic people.

Not illogical at all given how many stories we see in the news about people snapping and shooting up people/places.

Prepare to be Amused raped.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: EGGO

Originally posted by: child of wonder
Those who treat guns like a toy or something to make them look bad ass should not be allowed to have guns.

Didn't seem to be doing that.

how do you know one way or the other? we have people quoting PA statutues and offering legal arguments and worse, conclusions, based on one third-hand ambiguous article. She obviously didn't get her license revoked simply for wearing her gun, b/c wtf would be the purpose of granting cw permits if merely carrying resulted in revocation? There's more here and we just don't know it yet. ppl need to chill a bit.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IGBT
..if you have a CW keep it to your self.

Yeah, I think her main problem is she carried openly. It's not illegal, but for some illogical reason it seems to panic people.

I'm going to go with the fact that most people don't want someone openly carrying a handgun around their children. Most people in this country don't desire to be around firearms in most situations.

There is a thread devoted to fund raising for this woman HERE. As well as extensive discussion with PA residents and licensed gun owners. PA open carry has a website and the discussion about "open carry" is constant.

I know you want to go on some classic amused diatribe about our rights and the government and blah blah blah, but there isn't much need to. The sheriff was ultimately wrong in pursueing the revocation of her license, we know that (or so says the court). Though he may not have been unjust in the initial complaint handling.

Sure it's her right to carry and "openly" (mabey) if she so desires. Though she should definitely use some better judgement on when to exercise that right.

No diatribe here. I totally agree with you. I even agree with the last paragraph of your post.

Why do you hate me so? 🙁

Oh, no hate here. Pure man love baby.

I was just ready to watch you bite some peoples heads off in a thread like this. 😀

Well, you know me, I do love to get people chatting. 🙂

I am also fascinated by some of the completely illogical opinions by some people. Like the assumption she is trying to be a "badass" and intimidate people. Weird and alien to me. Or the insults thrown at her without even knowing her, like "redneck bitch." It's amazing to me.

The most amazing thing though is the questions of why she is suing. Holy crap, would any of these people questioning her legal grounds to sue hesitate one bit if a law enforcement officer took away their other constitutional rights with no cause???

Man love huh? Cool 😀

 

[dainthomas]

Don't rights come with responsibilities? For instance, you have the right to carry a firearm. However, you have the responsibility to know that openly carrying around a group of small children could conceivably freak people out.

How hard would it be for her to wear it under her jacket or something? Is there a potential scenario that could develop at a childrens' soccer game that would require her to have such quick access to it?

This story just totally reeks of someone who, for whatever reason, really wants everyone to pay attention to them.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IGBT
..if you have a CW keep it to your self.

Yeah, I think her main problem is she carried openly. It's not illegal, but for some illogical reason it seems to panic people.

Not illogical at all given how many stories we see in the news about people snapping and shooting up people/places.

actually, I'd argue it's particularly illogical given the ratio of how many people carry to how few soccer games end in bloody carnage.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IGBT
..if you have a CW keep it to your self.

Yeah, I think her main problem is she carried openly. It's not illegal, but for some illogical reason it seems to panic people.

Not illogical at all given how many stories we see in the news about people snapping and shooting up people/places.

Prepare to be Amused raped.

Theres no need for any rapings ( I did grab a fistful of Crisco though 😛 ) I'm simply stating that the statement bolded is not illogical at all. I provided some logical reasoning as to why people would panic.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Yeah, she's got a good case. It's much discussed in gun rights circles since it happened. I feel bad for the guy though...if it weren't for the venom and ignorance of the anti-gun side he would never have felt forced to take action.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IGBT
..if you have a CW keep it to your self.

Yeah, I think her main problem is she carried openly. It's not illegal, but for some illogical reason it seems to panic people.

Not illogical at all given how many stories we see in the news about people snapping and shooting up people/places.

Prepare to be Amused raped.

Theres no need for any rapings ( I did grab a fistful of Crisco though 😛 ) I'm simply stating that the statement bolded is not illogical at all. I provided some logical reasoning as to why people would panic.

Fear-mongering is not logical. 😛

 

[PepePeru]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IGBT
..if you have a CW keep it to your self.

Yeah, I think her main problem is she carried openly. It's not illegal, but for some illogical reason it seems to panic people.

I'm going to go with the fact that most people don't want someone openly carrying a handgun around their children. Most people in this country don't desire to be around firearms in most situations.

There is a thread devoted to fund raising for this woman HERE. As well as extensive discussion with PA residents and licensed gun owners. PA open carry has a website and the discussion about "open carry" is constant.

I know you want to go on some classic amused diatribe about our rights and the government and blah blah blah, but there isn't much need to. The sheriff was ultimately wrong in pursueing the revocation of her license, we know that (or so says the court). Though he may not have been unjust in the initial complaint handling.

Sure it's her right to carry and "openly" (mabey) if she so desires. Though she should definitely use some better judgement on when to exercise that right.

No diatribe here. I totally agree with you. I even agree with the last paragraph of your post.

Why do you hate me so? 🙁

Oh, no hate here. Pure man love baby.

I was just ready to watch you bite some peoples heads off in a thread like this. 😀

Well, you know me, I do love to get people chatting. 🙂

I am also fascinated by some of the completely illogical opinions by some people. Like the assumption she is trying to be a "badass" and intimidate people. Weird and alien to me. Or the insults thrown at her without even knowing her, like "redneck bitch." It's amazing to me.

The most amazing thing though is the questions of why she is suing. Holy crap, would any of these people questioning her legal grounds to sue hesitate one bit if a law enforcement officer took away their other constitutional rights with no cause???

Man love huh? Cool 😀

I'd like to know why you keep referring to this as a second amendment issue.

You don't have this alleged 'right' in every state in the nation, to openly carry a weapon. You have the right to own a firearm, not brandish it. This is a statelaw, not constitutional.

Further up the thread:

"While this may not happen should you choose to carry openly, many urban law enforcement officers we have talked to have expressed a very negative opinion towards the idea. Some have suggested that law enforcement will do everything in their power to make your life difficult should you choose to."

proves the point....

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IGBT
..if you have a CW keep it to your self.

Yeah, I think her main problem is she carried openly. It's not illegal, but for some illogical reason it seems to panic people.

Not illogical at all given how many stories we see in the news about people snapping and shooting up people/places.

actually, I'd argue it's particularly illogical given the ratio of how many people carry to how few soccer games end in bloody carnage.

We're not talking numbers though. I'm simply stating that if I see someone walking around with a gun openly, I'm going to worry if not panic. But I think the difference is, I'm envisioning her holding the gun in her hand while yelling at the kids and waving her hands around 😀 Even then, theres no reason for her to be openly carrying it at a soccer game with other parents and their kids around. Keep it concealed and there aren't any problems. She gets to have access to her gun and people don't have to see it.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: SampSon
There is always more to the story.

Indeed -

DeLeo said at Hain's Oct. 14 appeal hearing he pulled her license after fielding the parents' complaints.

There's obviously some basis for the removal that was not offered up to the reporter in writing the article. My guess is that she has a habit of NOT concealing an otherwise concealed weapon for reasons probably toward intimidation of other parties.

Nope. The state allows open carry. She open carries when she feels that her activity level may reveal or print her weapon if concealed. It's a logical decision.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Yeah, she's got a good case. It's much discussed in gun rights circles since it happened. I feel bad for the guy though...if it weren't for the venom and ignorance of the anti-gun side he would never have felt forced to take action.

She has got a good case when it comes to her permit, but you have to admit that what she did was just stupid. Maintaining one's right is one thing, but people should be more responsible and courteous about when and when not to exercise that right. Why not just keep the gun out of sight rather than risk this mess? What has she gained from it? Nothing, and she should have considered that before making her decision. I understand wanting to protect yourself and ward of criminals, but the line really should be drawn by common sense. This is 5 year old's soccer game. Not the back alley of a ghetto.

 

[Amused]

I'm not raping anyone. Actually this thread is helping me understand the hysteria that surrounds this. I'd like to hear more from people who believe she acted irresponsibly just because other people got scared by her legally holstered weapon. Even from those who support the man who insisted the grocery store manager make her leave the store simply because she was armed.

It's interesting to hear other's opinions.