Pistol-Packing Soccer Mom Sues Sheriff

[edro]

Some open / concealed carry laws also say that you cannot insight panic.
If someone freaks out, you can be arrested.

Ohio's says this.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IGBT
..if you have a CW keep it to your self.

Yeah, I think her main problem is she carried openly. It's not illegal, but for some illogical reason it seems to panic people.

I'm going to go with the fact that most people don't want someone openly carrying a handgun around their children. Most people in this country don't desire to be around firearms in most situations.

There is a thread devoted to fund raising for this woman HERE. As well as extensive discussion with PA residents and licensed gun owners. PA open carry has a website and the discussion about "open carry" is constant.

I know you want to go on some classic amused diatribe about our rights and the government and blah blah blah, but there isn't much need to. The sheriff was ultimately wrong in pursueing the revocation of her license, we know that (or so says the court). Though he may not have been unjust in the initial complaint handling.

Sure it's her right to carry and "openly" (mabey) if she so desires. Though she should definitely use some better judgement on when to exercise that right.

What's better:

to carry openly, which is entirely legal

or

carry concealed in an environment where you may print or otherwise reveal a glimpse of weapon in violation of the law

??

She used perfect judgment, imo. Other people just need to shut the fuck up and get over themselves, or move to another country.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: Amused
I'm not raping anyone. Actually this thread is helping me understand the hysteria that surrounds this. I'd like to hear more from people who believe she acted irresponsibly just because other people got scared by her legally holstered weapon. Even from those who support the man who insisted the grocery store manager make her leave the store simply because she was armed.

It's interesting to hear other's opinions.

I guess the bottom line is, she has the right to carry the weapon (given the permit) At the same time, people have the right to refuse doing business with her. I have no problems with people carrying weapons (legally) but she should have been smarter and kept it concealed around other people and their children. Yes I know statistically, the chances of a nutjob going crazy on you are slim but when it comes to MY children, I don't like taking chances.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: edro
Some open / concealed carry laws also say that you cannot insight panic.
If someone freaks out, you can be arrested.

Ohio's says this.

But where do you draw the line between mindless hysteria, and real panic?

Given today's climate, some people are so freaked out over guns you'd think they spread the plague or something. Are we to allow this illogical hysteria to limit the rights of individuals?

What other Amendment would you be willing to apply this to?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: Amused
I'm not raping anyone. Actually this thread is helping me understand the hysteria that surrounds this. I'd like to hear more from people who believe she acted irresponsibly just because other people got scared by her legally holstered weapon. Even from those who support the man who insisted the grocery store manager make her leave the store simply because she was armed.

It's interesting to hear other's opinions.

I guess the bottom line is, she has the right to carry the weapon (given the permit) At the same time, people have the right to refuse doing business with her. I have no problems with people carrying weapons (legally) but she should have been smarter and kept it concealed around other people and their children. Yes I know statistically, the chances of a nutjob going crazy on you are slim but when it comes to MY children, I don't like taking chances.

Then you have two choices:

Move.

Change the law/constitutions.

You should know that attempts at the second will result in strong resistance however.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: Amused
I'm not raping anyone. Actually this thread is helping me understand the hysteria that surrounds this. I'd like to hear more from people who believe she acted irresponsibly just because other people got scared by her legally holstered weapon. Even from those who support the man who insisted the grocery store manager make her leave the store simply because she was armed.

It's interesting to hear other's opinions.

I guess the bottom line is, she has the right to carry the weapon (given the permit) At the same time, people have the right to refuse doing business with her. I have no problems with people carrying weapons (legally) but she should have been smarter and kept it concealed around other people and their children. Yes I know statistically, the chances of a nutjob going crazy on you are slim but when it comes to MY children, I don't like taking chances.

The nutjob that goes crazy on you isn't going to be the legal CCW holder who you know is carrying. It never is.

 

[alien42]

carrying a gun to a kids soccer game? really?

was this in Baghdad, PA?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: Amused
I'm not raping anyone. Actually this thread is helping me understand the hysteria that surrounds this. I'd like to hear more from people who believe she acted irresponsibly just because other people got scared by her legally holstered weapon. Even from those who support the man who insisted the grocery store manager make her leave the store simply because she was armed.

It's interesting to hear other's opinions.

I guess the bottom line is, she has the right to carry the weapon (given the permit) At the same time, people have the right to refuse doing business with her. I have no problems with people carrying weapons (legally) but she should have been smarter and kept it concealed around other people and their children. Yes I know statistically, the chances of a nutjob going crazy on you are slim but when it comes to MY children, I don't like taking chances.

The nutjob that goes crazy on you isn't going to be the legal CCW holder who you know is carrying. It never is.

Almost never. Still happens...just very very very rarely. Don't want to spread misinformation that would hurt the cause later. 😎

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: alien42
carrying a gun to a kids soccer game? really?

was this in Baghdad, PA?

Crime happens there too. In fact it happens everywhere, which is why people that carry (1-4% of the eligible population) carries everywhere. It's rational, and moral.

 

[Turin39789]

I do this all the time, carry concealed and then when a ref makes a call against my children I subtley move it to open carry.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IGBT
..if you have a CW keep it to your self.

Yeah, I think her main problem is she carried openly. It's not illegal, but for some illogical reason it seems to panic people.

I've got to say I would not be comfortable in a social situation with someone carrying a weapon unless that social occasion was 'going shooting'. They know it's there, you know it's there, and at any time they could pull it out and there would be nothing I could do about it. Maybe it's just my own arrogance because I'm usually confident nobody is going to try and take me on - this obviously changes when weapons are involved.

Also, if I owned a sports club which taught children, I would not allow any weapons at all.

...

Out of interest, do they allow concealed handguns in pro sports stadiums in the USA? Here everyone gets frisked going into the game - if they didn't people would get seriously hurt... well more people than usual anyway...

 

[xcript]

Originally posted by: Turin39789
I do this all the time, carry concealed and then when a ref makes a call against my children I subtley move it to open carry.

:laugh:

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IGBT
..if you have a CW keep it to your self.

Yeah, I think her main problem is she carried openly. It's not illegal, but for some illogical reason it seems to panic people.

I've got to say I would not be comfortable in a social situation with someone carrying a weapon unless that social occasion was 'going shooting'. They know it's there, you know it's there, and at any time they could pull it out and there would be nothing I could do about it. Maybe it's just my own arrogance because I'm usually confident nobody is going to try and take me on - this obviously changes when weapons are involved.

Also, if I owned a sports club which taught children, I would not allow any weapons at all.

...

Out of interest, do they allow concealed handguns in pro sports stadiums in the USA? Here everyone gets frisked going into the game - if they didn't people would get seriously hurt... well more people than usual anyway...

Which is your choice. Of course then it's our choice not to go there. You'll find a large number of firearm owners/carriers refuse to go anywhere that bans carry. Probably not enough to force you out of business, but enough to take away a little profit at least.

You also have to consider that many/most of these things happen on public property, meaning you can't control it at all.

In private stadiums it's up to the owners. If there's any public financing they're usually forced to allow licensed carry, although I've found they frequently ignore the laws and attempt a ban anyway. People who legally carry weapons ALMOST NEVER use them to commit crimes.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IGBT
..if you have a CW keep it to your self.

Yeah, I think her main problem is she carried openly. It's not illegal, but for some illogical reason it seems to panic people.

I've got to say I would not be comfortable in a social situation with someone carrying a weapon unless that social occasion was 'going shooting'. They know it's there, you know it's there, and at any time they could pull it out and there would be nothing I could do about it. Maybe it's just my own arrogance because I'm usually confident nobody is going to try and take me on - this obviously changes when weapons are involved.

Also, if I owned a sports club which taught children, I would not allow any weapons at all.

...

Out of interest, do they allow concealed handguns in pro sports stadiums in the USA? Here everyone gets frisked going into the game - if they didn't people would get seriously hurt... well more people than usual anyway...

Just remember that the vast majority of "nutjob" spree shootings occur where law abiding citizens are disarmed.

When was the last time a spree shooting happened at a gun show? Gun store? Police station? Get the picture? They happen at schools, malls and in local areas that ban CCW most often.

Your best protection against nutjobs with guns are law abiding citizens with guns.

 

[sactoking]

Really, if the parents of opposing team players had a problem, all they needed to do was tell the ref/soccer league organizers "We don't feel comfortable with a loaded weapon at a child's sporting event. We are fine if she attends unarmed. If she insists on being armed, our children will not play. If necessary, they will be removed from the league and you will refund our money."

And after all, there are PLENTY of better things for a 5-year old to do. SOCCER?!? I know when I have kids, no matter how much they beg, they will NEVER join youth soccer. I won't torture them or me like that.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Honestly, I wouldn't want some total stranger carrying a gun at my son's soccer game either. People are fucking loons, I don't trust perfect strangers with my son...I don't care if the government gave them a permit to carry. Leave your fucking gun at home.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: SN4p

Originally posted by: calvinbiss

Originally posted by: Lamont Burns
Not really enough detail regarding the end of the second bolded portion. Lady carries a concealed weapon to a kid's soccer game that everyone apparently can clearly see?

I am with this. If the permit is for a concealed weapon and she carried it openly, then should abused her right and the permit should be taken away.

I don't know the law in Penn, but if there is no open carry statue, then she is in the wrong.

Open carry is legal in PA. She did nothing wrong. I hate pussies.

I'm more worried about the rest of the (fucking idiot) soccer moms driving big SUVs and talking on cell phones... l2drive please.

It's a FACT that she had her gun at the soccer game. You're ASSUMING the other soccer moms were driving SUVs and talking on cell phones while driving.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Honestly, I wouldn't want some total stranger carrying a gun at my son's soccer game either. People are fucking loons, I don't trust perfect strangers with my son...I don't care if the government gave them a permit to carry. Leave your fucking gun at home.

Honestly, if you look at the stats, the more law abiding citizens you have around you armed, the safer you are. You are least safe in areas in which the law abiding are disarmed.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Honestly, I wouldn't want some total stranger carrying a gun at my son's soccer game either. People are fucking loons, I don't trust perfect strangers with my son...I don't care if the government gave them a permit to carry. Leave your fucking gun at home.

Sorry, but your fear of guns is not a valid reason to limit another person's rights.

Also, most of this has been said already, but I'd like to reiterate:

There is no such thing as a concealed carry permit in the state of Pennsylvania. There is, however, a license to carry a firearm (LTCF). It need not be concealed.

In PA, open carry is perfectly legal and does not require a permit EXCEPT in Philadelphia, in which case, one simply needs to have a license to carry a firearm (LTCF) to open carry.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Honestly, I wouldn't want some total stranger carrying a gun at my son's soccer game either. People are fucking loons, I don't trust perfect strangers with my son...I don't care if the government gave them a permit to carry. Leave your fucking gun at home.

Honestly, if you look at the stats, the more law abiding citizens you have around you armed, the safer you are. You are least safe in areas in which the law abiding are disarmed.

This chick sounds like a loon. I'd question her sanity just for the decisions she made based on this news story.

I don't want her armed around me or my son.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Honestly, I wouldn't want some total stranger carrying a gun at my son's soccer game either. People are fucking loons, I don't trust perfect strangers with my son...I don't care if the government gave them a permit to carry. Leave your fucking gun at home.

Sorry, but your fear of guns is not a valid reason to limit another person's rights.

Also, most of this has been said already, but I'd like to reiterate:

There is no such thing as a concealed carry permit in the state of Pennsylvania. There is, however, a license to carry a firearm (LTCF). It need not be concealed.

In PA, open carry is perfectly legal and does not require a permit EXCEPT in Philadelphia, in which case, one simply needs to have a license to carry a firearm (LTCF) to open carry.

Um, I actually own guns.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: edro
Some open / concealed carry laws also say that you cannot insight panic.
If someone freaks out, you can be arrested.

Ohio's says this.

I'm not an expert on Ohio law; however, I find that hard to believe. In most states that don't have limitations on open carry, including PA, simply carrying a gun is not sufficient grounds to insight panic. There has to be clear intent on behalf of the person carrying.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Honestly, I wouldn't want some total stranger carrying a gun at my son's soccer game either. People are fucking loons, I don't trust perfect strangers with my son...I don't care if the government gave them a permit to carry. Leave your fucking gun at home.

Sorry, but your fear of guns is not a valid reason to limit another person's rights.

Also, most of this has been said already, but I'd like to reiterate:

There is no such thing as a concealed carry permit in the state of Pennsylvania. There is, however, a license to carry a firearm (LTCF). It need not be concealed.

In PA, open carry is perfectly legal and does not require a permit EXCEPT in Philadelphia, in which case, one simply needs to have a license to carry a firearm (LTCF) to open carry.

Um, I actually own guns.

So? I never said otherwise.

My point stands. Your fear of guns is not a valid reason to limit another person's rights.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Honestly, I wouldn't want some total stranger carrying a gun at my son's soccer game either. People are fucking loons, I don't trust perfect strangers with my son...I don't care if the government gave them a permit to carry. Leave your fucking gun at home.

Sorry, but your fear of guns is not a valid reason to limit another person's rights.

Also, most of this has been said already, but I'd like to reiterate:

There is no such thing as a concealed carry permit in the state of Pennsylvania. There is, however, a license to carry a firearm (LTCF). It need not be concealed.

In PA, open carry is perfectly legal and does not require a permit EXCEPT in Philadelphia, in which case, one simply needs to have a license to carry a firearm (LTCF) to open carry.

Um, I actually own guns.

So? I never said otherwise.

My point stands. Your fear of guns is not a valid reason to limit another person's rights.

I don't fear guns. This chick sounds like a nutball and I fear nutballs.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Honestly, I wouldn't want some total stranger carrying a gun at my son's soccer game either. People are fucking loons, I don't trust perfect strangers with my son...I don't care if the government gave them a permit to carry. Leave your fucking gun at home.

Honestly, if you look at the stats, the more law abiding citizens you have around you armed, the safer you are. You are least safe in areas in which the law abiding are disarmed.

This chick sounds like a loon. I'd question her sanity just for the decisions she made based on this news story.

I don't want her armed around me or my son.

Please explain, in detail, just what makes you think she's a loon from the article?