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Per-Capita, Blacks commit 800% more murders in the USA

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what is an object solution then? other than "get rid of entitlements and let the situation sort itself out" and "throw money at it!" ,the typical R & D solutions

part of it is education both at school and at home. home life is fskcked for most of them and school, well doesn't get any respect.

keeping them out of gangs is important too. what are they getting from gangs that they aren't getting elsewhere? a sense of belonging, brotherhood? cash? "respect"?

The fact is that neither democrats, or the republicans, or any other group can fix it, thinking they can is only going to ensure that it continues. The only ones that can fix the black community are the black community.

Holy crap, if you think Democrats have "helped" the black community I'd hate to see what you think hurting them would entail. Hell, Groo the Wanderer could have done a better job than progressives have done.

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The fact is that neither democrats, or the republicans, or any other group can fix it, thinking they can is only going to ensure that it continues. The only ones that can fix the black community are the black community.



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I hear you, but what can we do to help? It would help everyone in the long run. I realize they need to see the problem and act on it, but many don't see it as a problem. Some are more interested in sabatoging the race relations we've tried so hard to build up.
 
I hear you, but what can we do to help? It would help everyone in the long run. I realize they need to see the problem and act on it, but many don't see it as a problem. Some are more interested in sabatoging the race relations we've tried so hard to build up.

That's part of my point. The blame game, race card, victim culture, it's all got to stop, and no one else can stop it for them. There are just too many successful black people in this country to keep the bullshit racism alive.
 
Right at around 50% of blacks these days actually grow up without a father figure around, a strong majority born out of wedlock. The odds are stacked against them succeeding right off the bat.

That said, there are many reasons for their greater propensity to commit crimes. The reality is of course that they are more likely to, this is why phenomenons like "white flight" occur.
 
Right at around 50% of blacks these days actually grow up without a father figure around, a strong majority born out of wedlock. The odds are stacked against them succeeding right off the bat.

That said, there are many reasons for their greater propensity to commit crimes. The reality is of course that they are more likely to, this is why phenomenons like "white flight" occur.

you bring up a good point: educating blacks to create a familial unit, and more imporatnly one that is stable, both in the relationship between mother and father as well as finacially. having kids is expensive, i know! having multiple kids is not cheap!!

poor blacks have too many kids to sustain reasonably. many can't go find jobs because they have to stay home with the kids and other such complexities that come along with balancing kids in your life.

what's odd is that it's perpetuating and multi-generational. . . wouldn't they have figured it out by now on their own?
 
I've been reading the comments section of that root article

As the author notes in quoting &#8220;Blacks today are nine times more likely to be killed by other blacks than by whites&#8221;. The FBI statistics he cites indicate that African Americans are THIRTY NINE TIMES more likely to commit a violent crime against whites than whites are to commit violence against blacks. Also, ninety percent of the victims of race crimes are white. Also, the homicide rate among black males between age 14-24 is nearly TEN TIMES that of white and Hispanic young males combined. These are shocking figures.

39x.

wow.
 
Right at around 50% of blacks these days actually grow up without a father figure around, a strong majority born out of wedlock. The odds are stacked against them succeeding right off the bat.

That said, there are many reasons for their greater propensity to commit crimes. The reality is of course that they are more likely to, this is why phenomenons like "white flight" occur.
I've known plenty of whites that didn't have a father around and they still found a way to succeed. It's time to stop making excuses and to stop encouraging the bad behavior by rewarding them for not getting off their asses and doing something positive.
 
I've known plenty of whites that didn't have a father around and they still found a way to succeed. It's time to stop making excuses and to stop encouraging the bad behavior by rewarding them for not getting off their asses and doing something positive.

well, as HIllary Clinton might say, "it takes a village to raise a child"

She is absolutely right. The white boys who don't have a father often have a broader community which helps guide them along and help them succeed. Black boys, even middle class black boys, often do not have this social support system.
 
well, as HIllary Clinton might say, "it takes a village to raise a child"

She is absolutely right. The white boys who don't have a father often have a broader community which helps guide them along and help them succeed. Black boys, even middle class black boys, often do not have this social support system.

Blacks have more than enough support. They have even more support in the way of excuses. A black person that can't succeed in this country today has nobody to blame but himself.
 
I forgot where I read it but if you normalize violent crime statistics by whether the criminal was raised by a single mother, they pretty much even out by race. It's just that blacks have like a 75% illegitimacy rate nowadays. In many respects, blacks are far worse off today then they were pre-civil rights moment.
 
Need more Bill Cosby's less Al Shaptons #1

Need to eliminate welfare and give workfare.

Need to get them careers (no thank you offshorers and outsources,
"Cheap is more expensive" - see what I mean - crime is one expense) so they have vested stake in communities.

When you have nothing to lose - you lose it!
 
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It's amazing how oblivious a lot of non-blacks are about issues.

Let's take just one major factor - policing is slashed in black communities. As a result, the communities become closer to 'lawless zones'.

Sigh. You may be right, but... heavier policing in black neighborhoods also leads to a LOT of civil rights complaints. Somehow people expect that police can both reduce crime and not patrol in areas where crime is the heaviest. If more blacks get stopped and frisked than whites, regardless of where the majority of crime is being committed, suddenly the entire police organization is called racist or racial profilers.

Basically, there's no way the police can win. Not to mention, every momma in the world claims that their baby is innocent when they are found with drugs or weapons. Denial is one of the biggest problems in communities with heavy crime.
 
Blacks have more than enough support. They have even more support in the way of excuses. A black person that can't succeed in this country today has nobody to blame but himself.

well, that's plenty constructive of you, now isn't it? You aren't exactly offering anything as a solution.
 
Blacks have more than enough support. They have even more support in the way of excuses. A black person that can't succeed in this country today has nobody to blame but himself.

You couldn't be more wrong, they have themselves to blame, but it's only partially. Try going to a "black" high school in the ghetto where the most advanced math they offer's Pre-Algebra, and some won't even have that. You also won't see any college prep classes offered, and hell some classes won't even have books. And I don't mean books to take home, I mean you'll have an entire class without books so it's hard as shit to even teach. How's a 17 year old suppose to succeed when they can't even get an education if they want to? And where's all this support you claim they have coming from? I went to a mostly white Jr high, my high school was about 50% black, 40% Mexican, and 10% asian/white. I literally was doing work my senior year that was about on the level of what I was in 8th grade. My last English assignment in 12th grade was reading a book. One I read in 6th grade at a 95% white school. The Outsiders isn't what I'd consider senior level curriculum. But I suppose at least it was on the level of the fractions I was doing in math class. I guess consistency counts for something right? *shrug*

Education's a huge piece of what leads to success, and to say ghetto schools are inadequate would be like saying a 700lb person's overweight.
 
Right at around 50% of blacks these days actually grow up without a father figure around, a strong majority born out of wedlock. The odds are stacked against them succeeding right off the bat.

That said, there are many reasons for their greater propensity to commit crimes. The reality is of course that they are more likely to, this is why phenomenons like "white flight" occur.

But look how successful the '60s programs were on average!

That is the tragedy of our times, that we cling to high minded stupidity and ignorance of the failures which have resulted. I was going to counter the "on average the duck is dead" crowd with folksy aphorisms and start with the basics of culture and economy, but the ideas I have would take a long long time to type and no one really cares. One extreme will say that throwing money at the problem will fix it (and they won't acknowledge that is what they would do, but they are too lazy to think how to get results) and the "throw them under the bus" crowd who don't realize that we're never going to do that because that isn't right and it's political suicide. At some point if all incentives fail that must ultimately happen, but then we'll see "Heartless throw moms into the street" and the blame game results.

We're a lazy stupid society who is so caught up in being "modern" that the inherent value of family is considered an object for ridicule. When we fix that then the inner city may have a chance. Substituting a government check for a father won't do it but there are those who say "all we need is good government" as if it were a magic wand. What we need is good men of good will. There, a folksy aphorism after all.

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We need to facilitate a climate where instead of antagonism we encourage businesses which hire.
Educate people who are on medicaid and "gasp" make them learn or lose part of their benefits. Reward effort. Make medicaid a cashless system with EBT cards that restrict what can be purchased. Provide day care to get people working and hammer, hammer, hammer home that work isn't a punishment. That the satisfaction of a job well done is indeed a reward because that is a basis of self respect. If needed (and this is going to be really unpopular) make the condition of getting a check a Depo Provera shot. We cannot afford to bring countless mouths that a parent isn't willing to feed into this world. That is ultimately far crueler than placing a restriction on unlimited breeding. Since that won't fly then the only thing that those EBT cards will do is get diapers etc for kids. No premium cable. Cell phone? You have a limited amount of money per month. Good luck. Make having children while receiving a check an unrewarding experience. You will work. Here is a broom and shovel. Do a good job and you get a little more. Don't and you get something less. Refuse, and ultimately you are cut off.

If there are any left, encourage positive role models in the community. We talk about single moms, but this crime we have? If you are a young black man in the inner city you have no value. Uncle Sam has replaced you as bread winner, another quaint notion, like self respect and purpose. There simply is no motivation for them. Might as well join a gang and have some fun. That's what we have. That needs to be a top priority to correct.

It took generations to ruin the black family which was always had problems and it's going to take just about as long to correct it, but I fear that doing what needs to be done will be another political football and left for the government to fix which means nothing constructive will be done. Government can support productive changes but "the cure" is isn't.

Hehe, that's the short version believe it or not.
 
It's amazing how oblivious a lot of non-blacks are about issues.

Let's take just one major factor - policing is slashed in black communities. As a result, the communities become closer to 'lawless zones'.

Any community that happens in sees a rise in crime.

But there's zero awareness of that as a factor, of 'conservative policies'. Just finger wagging blame the victim crap.

It's a complicated issue with things needed by all parties - but the very last in line to do theit part of what's needed are the 'white conservatives'. They're ignorant of the issues.

Ignorant of what their party's policies have done to contribute and other things.

IAW you all the ills of the USA are the fault of the 'white conservatives'. I don't think you are right.
 
You are a victim of a false ideology on this.

It's a story that makes sense to you, and is wrong.

It's quite hard to get through to people with that.

The Democrats have HELPED the black community enormously - there's a reason 90% vote for Democrats every election.

There are some downsides to 'entitlement' issues; they're a small bit comprared to help.

You are correct. They vote for Democrats because that is where all the free shit comes from. Simple as that.
 
You are correct. They vote for Democrats because that is where all the free shit comes from. Simple as that.

Yup. Both parties have low life selfish leaches. Right has the no tax crowd while living in most prosperous country in the world as if it happens by accident. Left has their gimme money crowd as if it grows on trees. Everything should be earned and old liberals understood that and I;m going all the way back to homesteading where you had to improve land to get it free to FDRs jobs core to get your check.
 
But look how successful the '60s programs were on average!

That is the tragedy of our times, that we cling to high minded stupidity and ignorance of the failures which have resulted. I was going to counter the "on average the duck is dead" crowd with folksy aphorisms and start with the basics of culture and economy, but the ideas I have would take a long long time to type and no one really cares. One extreme will say that throwing money at the problem will fix it (and they won't acknowledge that is what they would do, but they are too lazy to think how to get results) and the "throw them under the bus" crowd who don't realize that we're never going to do that because that isn't right and it's political suicide. At some point if all incentives fail that must ultimately happen, but then we'll see "Heartless throw moms into the street" and the blame game results.

We're a lazy stupid society who is so caught up in being "modern" that the inherent value of family is considered an object for ridicule. When we fix that then the inner city may have a chance. Substituting a government check for a father won't do it but there are those who say "all we need is good government" as if it were a magic wand. What we need is good men of good will. There, a folksy aphorism after all.

Briefly
We need to facilitate a climate where instead of antagonism we encourage businesses which hire.
Educate people who are on medicaid and "gasp" make them learn or lose part of their benefits. Reward effort. Make medicaid a cashless system with EBT cards that restrict what can be purchased. Provide day care to get people working and hammer, hammer, hammer home that work isn't a punishment. That the satisfaction of a job well done is indeed a reward because that is a basis of self respect. If needed (and this is going to be really unpopular) make the condition of getting a check a Depo Provera shot. We cannot afford to bring countless mouths that a parent isn't willing to feed into this world. That is ultimately far crueler than placing a restriction on unlimited breeding. Since that won't fly then the only thing that those EBT cards will do is get diapers etc for kids. No premium cable. Cell phone? You have a limited amount of money per month. Good luck. Make having children while receiving a check an unrewarding experience. You will work. Here is a broom and shovel. Do a good job and you get a little more. Don't and you get something less. Refuse, and ultimately you are cut off.

If there are any left, encourage positive role models in the community. We talk about single moms, but this crime we have? If you are a young black man in the inner city you have no value. Uncle Sam has replaced you as bread winner, another quaint notion, like self respect and purpose. There simply is no motivation for them. Might as well join a gang and have some fun. That's what we have. That needs to be a top priority to correct.

It took generations to ruin the black family which was always had problems and it's going to take just about as long to correct it, but I fear that doing what needs to be done will be another political football and left for the government to fix which means nothing constructive will be done. Government can support productive changes but "the cure" is isn't.

Hehe, that's the short version believe it or not.

and this is where the bleeding heart liberals will hang the effort. just as conservatives want to push granny off the cliff, they'll politicize it as we're trying to prevent blacks from breeding because we think theyre inferior or some crap.

you have made an excellent post with some hard real-life solutions. It would take at least two generations. we need to get more education in the schools bottom line and honestly if they can't afford kids, they need to not have kids. end of the story. try that for two generations and the black community as a whole will be better off.
 
Yup. Both parties have low life selfish leaches. Right has the no tax crowd while living in most prosperous country in the world as if it happens by accident. Left has their gimme money crowd as if it grows on trees. Everything should be earned and old liberals understood that and I;m going all the way back to homesteading where you had to improve land to get it free to FDRs jobs core to get your check.

i'm on the right and i'm not a no-tax guy. i'd gladly give 40% if everyone agreed to the same, and if the government promised to live within its means. 40%

edit for reference my tax rate this year was 9% at the end of the year average for state and federal. add sales tax on top of that (9% again) and property tax (10k for the year)
 
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i'm on the right and i'm not a no-tax guy. i'd gladly give 40% if everyone agreed to the same, and if the government promised to live within its means. 40%

edit for reference my tax rate this year was 9% at the end of the year average for state and federal. add sales tax on top of that (9% again) and property tax (10k for the year)

Not saying I dont take full advantage of tax law however I went to a public university, raised mostly in public schools, lived in a safe county those opportunities all cost money, now it's my turn to pay. A lot of ppl are just selfish though. You can bet habitual welfare person ever makes it or wins lotto they will bitch about taxes like no other. Different sides same coin.

It's too late for govt to change. We will go broke. From cultural rot. No one want to pay. Everyone wants everything free from govt. Math does not work. We will hyperinflate and startover.
 
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Per-Capita, Blacks commit 800% more murders in the USA

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

So, the question is 2-fold: why, and what to do about it?

The murder rate in Chicago is up 60%

What do you expect when there are no jobs?

What do you expect when the thugs know that they have nothing to fear because they know that there are no people carrying a gun?

Only they have guns.

When you outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have guns.

Chicago is the proof.

4-12-2012

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/12/chicago-murder-rate-up_n_1420382.html

Chicago Murder Rate Up 60 Percent In 3 Months


CHICAGO &#8212; Homicides in Chicago spiked by 60 percent during the first three months of the year despite an increase in police resources in some of the city's most dangerous neighborhoods

Police blame much of the violence on the city's more than 70 active gangs and their tens of thousands of members

Factors contributing to the rise could range from lingering economic woes and high unemployment

Gun advocates are pushing hard in the Legislature and the courts to bring concealed carry to Illinois, the only state that doesn't let gun owners go out in public with their weapons hidden.
 
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I've known plenty of whites that didn't have a father around and they still found a way to succeed. It's time to stop making excuses and to stop encouraging the bad behavior by rewarding them for not getting off their asses and doing something positive.
Nonetheless, the data is extremely strong and convincing that blacks growing up without a father figure are heavily disadvantaged (as all races are without one). Personal experience and anecdotes are no replacement for large pools of data.
 
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