Per-Capita, Blacks commit 800% more murders in the USA

[PingSpike]

This is no surprise considering blacks are the only race that has mastered the technologies behind weaponized skittles.

 

[rudder]

Let's take just one major factor - policing is slashed in black communities. As a result, the communities become closer to 'lawless zones'.

I've lived in communities where the police rarely patrolled. There were zero murders. The police in the metro area where i work heavily patrol the trouble neighborhoods.

These communities are perceived as lawless because the people living in them make it so. It has nothing to do with police presence.

If this were the case you would think there would be police on every street corner to keep the populace behaving.

 

[ichy]

At least in Baltimore there's plenty of cops in bad neighborhoods, unfortunately there's also a "fuck the police" mentality that results in people not cooperating with law enforcement. Trying to get witnesses to crimes to testify is a huge challenge.

A huge problem is that there isn't any kind of stigma or embarrassment associated with criminality anymore. Shame is a very powerful motivation for people to behave. I'm all for punishing people who commit serious crimes, but most of the time punishment will never be as effective a deterrent as the knowledge that you'll be scorned and looked down on by your own family and community.

 

[ichy]

I've lived in communities where the police rarely patrolled. There were zero murders. The police in the metro area where i work heavily patrol the trouble neighborhoods.

These communities are perceived as lawless because the people living in them make it so. It has nothing to do with police presence.

If this were the case you would think there would be police on every street corner to keep the populace behaving.

If the Kansas City preventive patrol experiment is to be believed (and yes, I know that social science isn't really science) then simply adding crime patrols to a neighborhood accomplishes nothing. You need interaction and cooperation between citizens and law enforcement. Cops driving around in cars don't do shit.

 

[classy]

Ideally, the inner-city black community would take some responsibility for the patterns and push for cultural changes internally. Historically, whites have been accused of being racist. So white culture responded by bending over backwards to be politically correct, etc. Whites often seem to want to prove that they're not racist. I haven't really seen anything in the black community to try to actively combat the negative stereotypes that apply to them. At some point you have to stop blaming other people for stereotypes, and try to change the underlying facts.

Realistically, the black community needs a new leader that is not stuck in the outdated 1960s race paradigm.

Many many good things happen in the black community, but no one talks about it. You'll trash Sharpton and Jackson, but those guys and their programs actively work everyday to change things in the black community. You'll skip over 8 good stories of blacks just to get to one bad one. You know nothing about the black community.

 

[rudder]

If the Kansas City preventive patrol experiment is to be believed (and yes, I know that social science isn't really science) then simply adding crime patrols to a neighborhood accomplishes nothing. You need interaction and cooperation between citizens and law enforcement. Cops driving around in cars don't do shit.

If you live in a community where people respect others has human beings... there is no need for the police... despite what craig234 thinks.

I defer the problems of the black community to Bill Cosby since he said it best...

http://www.eightcitiesmap.com/transcript_bc.htm

 

[micrometers]

Many many good things happen in the black community, but no one talks about it. You'll trash Sharpton and Jackson, but those guys and their programs actively work everyday to change things in the black community. You'll skip over 8 good stories of blacks just to get to one bad one. You know nothing about the black community.

My issue is that lots of energy is poured into accusations of racism (profiling, racial disparity in criminal justice) while not so much is poured into practical measures that might improve the lives. Such as community self-policing. Or calling for more cooperation with the police.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I've lived in communities where the police rarely patrolled. There were zero murders. The police in the metro area where i work heavily patrol the trouble neighborhoods.

These communities are perceived as lawless because the people living in them make it so. It has nothing to do with police presence.

If this were the case you would think there would be police on every street corner to keep the populace behaving.

Unless things have changed there are no regs regarding the carrying of handguns in Vt, and the per capita crime rate is low. People may not see police for days, yet crime is still low. That's because it's considered wrong to shoot someone. Thats a key difference. Further, how the "great society" was implemented is directly responsible for todays problems. It's great at perpetuating poverty and ignorance, but that would be denied.

 

[fskimospy]

Unless things have changed there are no regs regarding the carrying of handguns in Vt, and the per capita crime rate is low. People may not see police for days, yet crime is still low. That's because it's considered wrong to shoot someone. Thats a key difference. Further, how the "great society" was implemented is directly responsible for todays problems. It's great at perpetuating poverty and ignorance, but that would be denied.

Before the implementation of the Great Society in 1965 the US poverty rate was approximately 18%, and had repeatedly topped 20%. After its implementation, even in severe recessions, the poverty rate never got close to that high again.

It's hard to figure how a program would be 'great at perpetuating poverty' when poverty has hugely decreased since its introduction.

 

[Throckmorton]

LOL. Romney, a Harvard graduate, accuses Obama of being a Harvard elitist.

http://www.inquisitr.com/216210/mitt-romney-says-obama-spent-too-much-time-at-harvard-but-so-did-he/

 

[Siddhartha]

The race distribution of homicide victims and offenders
differed by type of homicide
From 1980 to 2008—


The race distribution of homicide victims and o enders
di ered by type of homicide
From 1980 to 2008—
 Black victims were over-represented in homicides involving
drugs, with 62.1% of all drug-related homicides involving black
victims. By comparison, 36.9% of drug-related homicide victims
were white and 1% were victims of other races.
 Compared with the overall percentage of murder victims who
were black (47.4%), blacks were less likely to be victims of
sex-related homicides (30.4%), workplace killings (12.5%), or
homicides of elders age 65 or older (28.6%) (table 7).
 While two-thirds of drug-related homicides were committed by
black off enders (65.6%), black off enders were less likely to be
involved in sex-related killings (43.4%), workplace homicides,
(25.8%) or homicides of elders age 65 or older (41.9%) compared
to their overall involvement as homicide off enders (52.5%).

What to do about Black homicides:

The first thing that needs to be done is the end the Drug War. Take the profit out of drug use.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Before the implementation of the Great Society in 1965 the US poverty rate was approximately 18%, and had repeatedly topped 20%. After its implementation, even in severe recessions, the poverty rate never got close to that high again.

It's hard to figure how a program would be 'great at perpetuating poverty' when poverty has hugely decreased since its introduction.

It's not hard at all. The program has gone (at least in the several states I've lived in) from a helping hand to a multigenerational trap.When it is acceptable, no even desirable, to have children in order to stay on medicaid and the system allows it, then something is wrong.

 

[cybrsage]

LOL. Romney, a Harvard graduate, accuses Obama of being a Harvard elitist.

http://www.inquisitr.com/216210/mitt-romney-says-obama-spent-too-much-time-at-harvard-but-so-did-he/

Careful about the attack on Romney, as then you will lose your ability to agree with Obama when he attacks Romney for being an elitist.

 

[Infohawk]

Many many good things happen in the black community, but no one talks about it. You'll trash Sharpton and Jackson, but those guys and their programs actively work everyday to change things in the black community.

We're talking about crime here. (And for me, I'm also talking about inner-city black American culture. I'm not talking about all people with African descent.) What good things have been happening in that community specifically with regard to crime? I mostly hear defensiveness from black leaders, if anything. It's always about the police, never about ways to change the crime that fuels the police presence and the profiling in the first place.

You'll skip over 8 good stories of blacks just to get to one bad one. You know nothing about the black community.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I try not to draw conclusions based on small samples like you're suggesting. These statistics reveal that there may be particular issues in a certain American community. Are you saying that we should ignore the stats because some inner-city blacks are doing a lot of good?

 

[woolfe9999]

It's not hard at all. The program has gone (at least in the several states I've lived in) from a helping hand to a multigenerational trap.When it is acceptable, no even desirable, to have children in order to stay on medicaid and the system allows it, then something is wrong.

The Great Society was Medicare and Medicaid (and food stamps, IIRC). Poverty has gone down since the adoption of those 2 programs. How then do they "perpetuate poverty?" Not in the anecdotal case or some theoretical sense, but in the broad sense of all of society and our material standard of living. Looks like you sidestepped his point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_poverty_rate_timeline.gif

 

[Lithium381]

The why is simple. Ghetto culture sucks. It glorifies crime, violence and ignorance and places no stigma on out of wedlock pregnancy while sneering at work, education & obeying the law.

And if you don't "accept/tolerate" their culture, you're labled a racist. Hate the culture, not the color.

Ideally, the inner-city black community would take some responsibility for the patterns and push for cultural changes internally. Historically, whites have been accused of being racist. So white culture responded by bending over backwards to be politically correct, etc. Whites often seem to want to prove that they're not racist. I haven't really seen anything in the black community to try to actively combat the negative stereotypes that apply to them. At some point you have to stop blaming other people for stereotypes, and try to change the underlying facts.

Realistically, the black community needs a new leader that is not stuck in the outdated 1960s race paradigm.

and leaders that look the other way on black/black violence, and then make a scene when it involves a white person. They use it for political ammunition and the liberal bias of the media supports that.

there need to be insentives to NOT join a gang and to get an education and to get a job. As it is, government bennies basically never run out so what's the point of trying if you can live for free in section 8 housing and sell your food stamps for cash?


Going back to the main point of this thread, a white person is much more likely to be killed by a black person than another white person.

 

[bfdd]

It's amazing how oblivious a lot of non-blacks are about issues.

Let's take just one major factor - policing is slashed in black communities. As a result, the communities become closer to 'lawless zones'.

Any community that happens in sees a rise in crime.

But there's zero awareness of that as a factor, of 'conservative policies'. Just finger wagging blame the victim crap.

It's a complicated issue with things needed by all parties - but the very last in line to do theit part of what's needed are the 'white conservatives'. They're ignorant of the issues.

Ignorant of what their party's policies have done to contribute and other things.

Way to say a whole lot of nothing, while trying to make yourself sound holier than thou.

 

[werepossum]

This is no surprise considering blacks are the only race that has mastered the technologies behind weaponized skittles.

+1
"He's got Skittles, Ned, and he's coming right at us!"

Many many good things happen in the black community, but no one talks about it. You'll trash Sharpton and Jackson, but those guys and their programs actively work everyday to change things in the black community. You'll skip over 8 good stories of blacks just to get to one bad one. You know nothing about the black community.

Stories about good things don't usually make the news. Unless maybe they involve Obama or puppies. Regular people doing good things aren't considered news because, to paraphrase Chris Rock, "You're supposed to do good things."

 

[Lithium381]

Many many good things happen in the black community, but no one talks about it. You'll trash Sharpton and Jackson, but those guys and their programs actively work everyday to change things in the black community. You'll skip over 8 good stories of blacks just to get to one bad one. You know nothing about the black community.

how did i know you'd be in here defending the violence . .

My issue is that lots of energy is poured into accusations of racism (profiling, racial disparity in criminal justice) while not so much is poured into practical measures that might improve the lives. Such as community self-policing. Or calling for more cooperation with the police.

i don't have a problem with the black community in general, at all. i have a problem with the ghetto black community in specific.
I'm sure that Sharpton and Jackson help somewhere, but whenever I see their face plastered on TV, it's because they are attempting to drive a wedge between white and black relations.

We're talking about crime here. (And for me, I'm also talking about inner-city black American culture. I'm not talking about all people with African descent.) What good things have been happening in that community specifically with regard to crime? I mostly hear defensiveness from black leaders, if anything. It's always about the police, never about ways to change the crime that fuels the police presence and the profiling in the first place.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I try not to draw conclusions based on small samples like you're suggesting. These statistics reveal that there may be particular issues in a certain American community. Are you saying that we should ignore the stats because some inner-city blacks are doing a lot of good?

I agree that using property taxes to fund schools put poor people at a disadvantage, but learning doesn't stop when the kids leave home, they need strong familial support to educate them and turn them into decent human beings. with single mothers this is very difficult to do, especially if she's working

 

[cybrsage]

The press went wild when Obama got a puppie.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The Great Society was Medicare and Medicaid. Poverty has gone down since the adoption of those 2 programs. How then do they "perpetuate poverty?" Not in the anecdotal case, but in the broad sense of all of society and our standard of living. Looks like you sidestepped his point.

Considering that poverty in the inner city is still abysmal and medicaid has not substantially changed to help correct this my point holds. There is a proper role for these programs however this real problem exists. Now why do you sidestep that the program hasn't been fixed?

Btw perhaps if you consider the thread title the context will be easier.

 

[woolfe9999]

Considering that poverty in the inner city is still abysmal and medicaid has not substantially changed to help correct this my point holds. There is a proper role for these programs however this real problem exists. Now why do you sidestep that the program hasn't been fixed?

Btw perhaps if you consider the thread title the context will be easier.

Not side stepping anything here. I think you're committing the fallacy of saying, Medicaid hasn't cured all poverty. Therefore, Medicaid is a failure. In spite of evidence that the poverty rate significantly declined after its adoption. One possible argument could be that it was Medicare and not Medicaid that diminished the poverty rate, or that something else was causative. I don't think you can just ignore the data though.

So far as inner cities, yeah there continues to be major problems. The subject of the thread is crime. And crime, BTW, in toto, has gone way down over the past 20 years. All crime in basically all categories, save a few things like identity theft and other crimes made possible by IT.

- wolf

 

[Svnla]

Read this: http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-4164941.html

Fox said that from 2002 to 2006, the rate of murder committed by black male teens rose 52 percent.

"Violence is down among whites of all ages and both genders; it's up among black males, not black females,"

Over 90% of violent crimes against blacks are committ by other blacks. Where are the outrage and marchings? http://www.drudge.com/news/155532/blacks-killing-blacks-astounding-pace

Anyone (the usual suspects) blame on whitey/Bush/Republicans/The Pope/Mother Theresa/Fill In The Blank Excuses/Ect. yet?

Data from the FBI (2010) - Arrests (all) by race = http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/table-43 - Whites = 69.4% (72.4% of total general population), Blacks = 28% (12.6% of total general population), Native Americans = 1.4% (0.9% of total general population) , Asians = 1.2% (4.8% of total general population)

Roll down and read the table 43b - arrests by under 18 of age - look at murder and manslaughter - look which group has the MOST (56.2%), then robbery - 66.7%.

My issue is that lots of energy is poured into accusations of racism (profiling, racial disparity in criminal justice) while not so much is poured into practical measures that might improve the lives. Such as community self-policing. Or calling for more cooperation with the police.

Are you kidding me? You haven't heard about "No snitch" or "Sniches Get Hit" in certan group/communities?

The why is simple. Ghetto culture sucks. It glorifies crime, violence and ignorance and places no stigma on out of wedlock pregnancy while sneering at work, education & obeying the law.

This.

Work hard, do well in school, stay out of trouble = sell out, acting white, uncle tom, sniches, selling out to the po po, etc.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Not side stepping anything here. I think you're committing the fallacy of saying, Medicaid hasn't cured all poverty. Therefore, Medicaid is a failure. In spite of evidence that the poverty rate significantly declined after its adoption. One possible argument could be that it was Medicare and not Medicaid that diminished the poverty rate, or that something else was causative. I don't think you can just ignore the data though.

So far as inner cities, yeah there continues to be major problems. The subject of the thread is crime. And crime, BTW, in toto, has gone way down over the past 20 years. All crime in basically all categories, save a few things like identity theft and other crimes made possible by IT.

- wolf

The context is the inner city and the program is failing them. No substantial changes have been made. Having programs is grand. "Mission Accomplished"? Not so much. You can cite statistics all you like that are unrelated to that which I'm talking about but they are poor justification. If thats what we're to do then lets just ignore the inner cities and say that on average things are better and ignore everything else, including this thread.

 

[classy]

Read this: http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-4164941.html



Over 90% of violent crimes against blacks are committ by other blacks. Where are the outrage and marchings?

Anyone (the usual suspects) blame on whitey/Bush/Republicans/The Pope/Mother Theresa/Fill In The Blank Excuses/Ect. yet?

Data from the FBI (2010) - Arrests (all) by race = http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/table-43 - Whites = 69.4% (72.4% of total general population), Blacks = 28% (12.6% of total general population), Native Americans = 1.4% (0.9% of total general population) , Asians = 1.2% (4.8% of total general population)

Roll down and read the table 43b - arrests by under 18 of age - look at murder and manslaughter - look which group has the MOST (56.2%), then robbery - 66.7%.



Are you kidding me? You haven't heard about "No snitch" or "Sniches Get Hit" in certan group/communities?

Man I am so disappointed. Because clearly they are not knocking off the right ones.