Per-Capita, Blacks commit 800% more murders in the USA

micrometers

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http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Based on available data from 1980 to 2008—
 Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rate for blacks (27.8
per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). The offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000) (table 1).

So, the question is 2-fold: why, and what to do about it?
 

Genx87

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I'd have to believe a lot of this is black on black crime. And most likely related to gang activity. Repealling the drug war is a start.
 

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I'd have to believe a lot of this is black on black crime. And most likely related to gang activity. Repealling the drug war is a start.

notice the disparity between offending and victimization rate.

it means that per-capita, blacks are more likely to kill whites than the other way around.
 

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http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf



So, the question is 2-fold: why, and what to do about it?



Idk the exact reasons but im sure much of the blame has to do with the moral shutdown in the black community, 80% of black kids born today are to a single mother [and its not a live-in relationship with the father present either - he skipped town entirely]. When the majority of your young people dont even know who their daddy is its a sign of huge issues in that community itself, and sure enough there are huge issues. Im sure there are other reasons but a weak family unit is not a good thing for any community, especially when its close to 100% of them being weak...
 

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notice the disparity between offending and victimization rate.

it means that per-capita, blacks are more likely to kill whites than the other way around.

It could very well be multiple convictions for a single murder. Which I imagine is the norm for gang style murders.
 

Genx87

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Idk the exact reasons but im sure much of the blame has to do with the moral shutdown in the black community, 80% of black kids born today are to a single mother [and its not a live-in relationship with the father present either - he skipped town entirely]. When the majority of your young people dont even know who their daddy is its a sign of huge issues in that community itself, and sure enough there are huge issues. Im sure there are other reasons but a weak family unit is not a good thing for any community, especially when its close to 100% of them being weak...

I think there is absolutely this problem as well. But gov cant fix that, only the black community can.
 

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It could very well be multiple convictions for a single murder. Which I imagine is the norm for gang style murders.

dude, that would point it in the opposite direction towards more deaths and fewer offenders.

The only way your explanation works is if multiple people kill one person. Not likely.
 
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notice the disparity between offending and victimization rate.

it means that per-capita, blacks are more likely to kill whites than the other way around.
No it doesn't, you're misrepresenting the data. You have stats for the victims and stats for the offenders, but there's no link offered between those. You're falsely conflating "black people are more likely to be convicted of murder" into "black people kill more white people than whites do blacks." There's nothing in the data to suggest that; it's just speculation on your part.

dude, that would point it in the opposite direction towards more deaths and fewer offenders.

The only way your explanation works is if multiple people kill one person. Not likely.
Multiple people get tried for single murders. If a death happens in the act of committing a felony, everyone who could be convicted of the felony can also be tried for murder (ie, a lookout, a getaway driver, whatever, are all as culpable as the person who pulled the trigger). This is what genx is saying in relation to gang violence; it typically happens as part of a group, which makes everyone in that group culpable for a death.
 
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Idk the exact reasons but im sure much of the blame has to do with the moral shutdown in the black community, 80% of black kids born today are to a single mother [and its not a live-in relationship with the father present either - he skipped town entirely]. When the majority of your young people dont even know who their daddy is its a sign of huge issues in that community itself, and sure enough there are huge issues. Im sure there are other reasons but a weak family unit is not a good thing for any community, especially when its close to 100% of them being weak...
That's a fair point, but it might be overstated. I know a fair number of blacks and some whites who aren't married simply because the single mother and child qualify for government bennies. The family unit is definitely weaker without legal bonds, but the kids certainly know their fathers, they live with them. And in fairness we do this to gay couples on purpose, so it's hard to complain when blacks (along with whites, browns, even some yellows) do the same for financial benefit.
 

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No it doesn't, you're misrepresenting the data. You have stats for the victims and stats for the offenders, but there's no link offered between those. You're falsely conflating "black people are more likely to be convicted of murder" into "black people kill more white people than whites do blacks." There's nothing in the data to suggest that; it's just speculation on your part.


Multiple people get tried for single murders. If a death happens in the act of committing a felony, everyone who could be convicted of the felony can also be tried for murder (ie, a lookout, a getaway driver, whatever, are all as culpable as the person who pulled the trigger). This is what genx is saying in relation to gang violence; it typically happens as part of a group, which makes everyone in that group culpable for a death.

Unless there is a huge epidemic of gang killings and multiple convictions, that is what the data would suggest. It is true that I had not thought of the multiple convictions for a single death angle.
 

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This is due to a culture of poverty rather than anything else. Poor people commit more crimes on average.

As for how to fix things, well that's a different thread.
 

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The why is simple. Ghetto culture sucks. It glorifies crime, violence and ignorance and places no stigma on out of wedlock pregnancy while sneering at work, education & obeying the law.
 

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This is a problem that cannot be effectively addressed. Poverty breeds poverty and crime. NY has pointedly made it clear that reform isn't happening. Too racially charged.
 
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What would be the result of inputting 'eliminate the poor' if there's a computer program that generates socio economic statistics? This is all hypothetical speak of course
 

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It's amazing how oblivious a lot of non-blacks are about issues.

Let's take just one major factor - policing is slashed in black communities. As a result, the communities become closer to 'lawless zones'.

Any community that happens in sees a rise in crime.

But there's zero awareness of that as a factor, of 'conservative policies'. Just finger wagging blame the victim crap.

It's a complicated issue with things needed by all parties - but the very last in line to do theit part of what's needed are the 'white conservatives'. They're ignorant of the issues.

Ignorant of what their party's policies have done to contribute and other things.
 

werepossum

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It's amazing how oblivious a lot of non-blacks are about issues.

Let's take just one major factor - policing is slashed in black communities. As a result, the communities become closer to 'lawless zones'.

Any community that happens in sees a rise in crime.

But there's zero awareness of that as a factor, of 'conservative policies'. Just finger wagging blame the victim crap.

It's a complicated issue with things needed by all parties - but the very last in line to do theit part of what's needed are the 'white conservatives'. They're ignorant of the issues.

Ignorant of what their party's policies have done to contribute and other things.

It's been my experience that policing is much heavier in black communities because neighborhoods which are majority black tend to be poorer, high crime neighborhoods. In my own neighborhood (which is probably 1/3 black) we almost never see a police car (except for a few who live there) unless there's a crime reported. Conversely, I seldom spend fifteen minutes in a "black neighborhood" without seeing at least one police car cruise by.
 

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Let's take just one major factor - policing is slashed in black communities. As a result, the communities become closer to 'lawless zones'.
I guess you've never heard of police brutality.

I personally think that adding more cops to an already violent community would exacerbate the problem.
 

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Ideally, the inner-city black community would take some responsibility for the patterns and push for cultural changes internally. Historically, whites have been accused of being racist. So white culture responded by bending over backwards to be politically correct, etc. Whites often seem to want to prove that they're not racist. I haven't really seen anything in the black community to try to actively combat the negative stereotypes that apply to them. At some point you have to stop blaming other people for stereotypes, and try to change the underlying facts.

Realistically, the black community needs a new leader that is not stuck in the outdated 1960s race paradigm.
 

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Poverty, and the resultant culture it creates, is the primary issue. You see greatly increased crime and violence in every nation's impoverished people (when that same nation has enough non-impoverished people to contrast them against).

Color is not the issue, being very poor while seeing others relatively close by who are not poor.
 

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It's been my experience that policing is much heavier in black communities because neighborhoods which are majority black tend to be poorer, high crime neighborhoods. In my own neighborhood (which is probably 1/3 black) we almost never see a police car (except for a few who live there) unless there's a crime reported. Conversely, I seldom spend fifteen minutes in a "black neighborhood" without seeing at least one police car cruise by.

From my own experience I have to agree. There is a "rougher" part to the town that I live in, a cop car is parked at a busy corner in that section almost 24/7, any cop they send usually is outside his car and just chilling and talking to people. It's where the government housing is and the predominant ethnicity housed there are African-Americans. They implemented some rule a while ago that if anyone in a family got a violent felony (or something like that) their entire family got removed from the government housing. That rule combined with the cop on call 24/7 pretty much plummeted crime rates in that area.