Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[Wreckem]

Anybody think that the NCAA will act on this bylaw?

"Title:19.01.2 - Exemplary Conduct.
Individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration, the conduct or the coaching of intercollegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be influenced by a fine example. Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen."

The question is, have they ever enforced it?

Even if they have, Paterno is retiring which means his whole coaching staff will be gone after this season and the NCAA takes multiple years to decide on violations.

The NCAA isn't going to get involved.

 

[sactoking]

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/bre...sp.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

PSU President Spanier will be out, voluntarily or not, by the end of today.

 

[vi edit]

I still do not believe the NCAA will stick their feet into this whirlpool of doom. It's a criminal case to be handled by state officials. I'm sure they are comfortable enough sitting back and letting the media and sports community (amongst others) tear apart the tradition and crumbling stature that remains of PSU on it's own.

They want nothing to do with a pedophile case of a retired coach.

 

[alien42]

You honestly think that people's minds and actions today are not more influenced by the information age of today?

not in the way you are suggesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_ancient_Greece

 

[Gigantopithecus]

I still do not believe the NCAA will stick their feet into this whirlpool of doom. It's a criminal case to be handled by state officials. I'm sure they are comfortable enough sitting back and letting the media and sports community (amongst others) tear apart the tradition and crumbling stature that remains of PSU on it's own.

They want nothing to do with a pedophile case of a retired coach.

I think the NCAA will be forced to get involved in this case. Some of my students were talking this morning about the signs they'll be making for the upcoming Wisco-PSU game, and while they were creative, they were brutal. I hope I talked them out of their plans because as I've said, the players are guiltless (even if the staff is not), and it's really disrespectful and callous to the victims. I heard yesterday that UW-Madison's President is planning on sending a message about that game and that they're considering banning grossly offensive signs from the game. (How they'll enforce that I have no idea.)

I would not be surprised at all if there is a mass exodus of players from the team. How would you feel if you were being taunted for your association, however tenuous, with a pedophile coach and a culture of silence that facilitated the rape of children in the same showers that you've probably used yourself? That's where the NCAA is going to have to step in. What are they going to do with the student-athletes that simply want no part of the "Ped State" program?

 

[Miramonti]

I think the NCAA will be forced to get involved in this case. Some of my students were talking this morning about the signs they'll be making for the upcoming Wisco-PSU game, and while they were creative, they were brutal. I hope I talked them out of their plans because as I've said, the players are guiltless (even if the staff is not), and it's really disrespectful and callous to the victims. I heard yesterday that UW-Madison's President is planning on sending a message about that game and that they're considering banning grossly offensive signs from the game. (How they'll enforce that I have no idea.)

I would not be surprised at all if there is a mass exodus of players from the team. How would you feel if you were being taunted for your association, however tenuous, with a pedophile coach and a culture of silence that facilitated the rape of children in the same showers that you've probably used yourself? That's where the NCAA is going to have to step in. What are they going to do with the student-athletes that simply want no part of the "Ped State" program?

Such as...???

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Such as...???

You've seen a few of them in this thread, plus a few others that likely wouldn't even fly in OT, ha.

 

[vi edit]

I think the NCAA will be forced to get involved in this case. Some of my students were talking this morning about the signs they'll be making for the upcoming Wisco-PSU game, and while they were creative, they were brutal. I hope I talked them out of their plans because as I've said, the players are guiltless (even if the staff is not), and it's really disrespectful and callous to the victims. I heard yesterday that UW-Madison's President is planning on sending a message about that game and that they're considering banning grossly offensive signs from the game. (How they'll enforce that I have no idea.)

I was thinking more from a punative standpoint against Penn State. No doubt they are likely sending out a bunch of correspondence to host sites asking for upped security/reminders to student body/ect.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

I think the NCAA will be forced to get involved in this case. Some of my students were talking this morning about the signs they'll be making for the upcoming Wisco-PSU game, and while they were creative, they were brutal. I hope I talked them out of their plans because as I've said, the players are guiltless (even if the staff is not), and it's really disrespectful and callous to the victims. I heard yesterday that UW-Madison's President is planning on sending a message about that game and that they're considering banning grossly offensive signs from the game. (How they'll enforce that I have no idea.)

I would not be surprised at all if there is a mass exodus of players from the team. How would you feel if you were being taunted for your association, however tenuous, with a pedophile coach and a culture of silence that facilitated the rape of children in the same showers that you've probably used yourself? That's where the NCAA is going to have to step in. What are they going to do with the student-athletes that simply want no part of the "Ped State" program?

wonder if espn will let any through on gameday

 

[Wreckem]

I think the NCAA will be forced to get involved in this case. Some of my students were talking this morning about the signs they'll be making for the upcoming Wisco-PSU game, and while they were creative, they were brutal. I hope I talked them out of their plans because as I've said, the players are guiltless (even if the staff is not), and it's really disrespectful and callous to the victims. I heard yesterday that UW-Madison's President is planning on sending a message about that game and that they're considering banning grossly offensive signs from the game. (How they'll enforce that I have no idea.)

I would not be surprised at all if there is a mass exodus of players from the team. How would you feel if you were being taunted for your association, however tenuous, with a pedophile coach and a culture of silence that facilitated the rape of children in the same showers that you've probably used yourself? That's where the NCAA is going to have to step in. What are they going to do with the student-athletes that simply want no part of the "Ped State" program?

Didn't realize Wisconsin had a bunch of classless fans.

And its pretty easy to enforce a ban on signs in a stadium. Some schools already do it because they've had problems with offensive signs in the past.

 

[CrazyAznDriver]

Didn't realize Wisconsin had a bunch of classless fans.

And its pretty easy to enforce a ban on signs in a stadium.

Its not just Wisconsin, I would fully expect any big crowd across the nation to harass Penn State, it just happens to be Wisconsin and OSU they are playing. If you have ever been to a NCAA game then you would know that they don't really need an excuse to be filthy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHAo6...eature=related

 

[Drako]

wonder if espn will let any through on gameday

I doubt that Gameday will be at Ohio State or Wisconsin the next two weeks, so it probably wont be an issue. I'm sure the fans this week at Stanford will remain out of the fray :hmm:

 

[Onita]

Didn't realize Wisconsin had a bunch of classless fans.

And its pretty easy to enforce a ban on signs in a stadium. Some schools already do it because they've had problems with offensive signs in the past.

Damn near every college in the nation would have some "classless" signs if they played Penn State this weekend

 

[alien42]

Didn't realize Wisconsin had a bunch of classless fans.

did you know PSU had a bunch of classless coaches and administrators?

 

[Drako]

Didn't realize Wisconsin had a bunch of classless fans.

And its pretty easy to enforce a ban on signs in a stadium. Some schools already do it because they've had problems with offensive signs in the past.

Obviously you've never been to Camp Randall before

 

[Wreckem]

Its not just Wisconsin, I would fully expect any big crowd across the nation to harass Penn State, it just happens to be Wisconsin and OSU they are playing. If you have ever been to a NCAA game then you would know that they don't really need an excuse to be filthy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHAo6...eature=related

I know about NCAA fans. I go to a school with some of the worst if not the worst fans in the entire NCAA. I mean throwing a goal post into the visiting teams fan section and injuring dozens of people. Throwing batteries at the opposing team players and fans. Cheering when opposing players get injured(now its changed to booing at them). They even heckle their own injured players.

Sportsmanship isn't just about the athletes. Its also the fans. Classless fans make everyone at their respective schools look bad.

 

[Wreckem]

did you know PSU had a bunch of classless coaches and administrators?

Its no reason to take it out on the PSU players.

 

[CrazyAznDriver]

I know about NCAA fans. I go to a school with some of the worst if not the worst in the entire NCAA. I mean throwing a goal post into the visiting teams fan section and injuring dozens of people. Throwing batteries at the opposing team. Cheering when opposing players get injured(now its changed to booing at them). They even heckle their own injured players.

Sportsmanship isn't just about the athletes. Its also the fans. Classless fans make everyone at their respective schools look bad.

Yup I guess its like Penn State coaches raping little kids with staff covering it up. Makes the whole school look bad.

 

[classy]

not in the way you are suggesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_ancient_Greece

I never said we didn't have perverts back then. What I said was unfortunately more are "bred" today than ever before.

 

[Wreckem]

Yup I guess its like Penn State coaches raping little kids with staff covering it up. Makes the whole school look bad.

Yeah, and making light of it/making jokes about it/making offensive signs about it makes you and your school look like classless douchebags.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

I know about NCAA fans. I go to a school with some of the worst if not the worst fans in the entire NCAA. I mean throwing a goal post into the visiting teams fan section and injuring dozens of people. Throwing batteries at the opposing team players and fans. Cheering when opposing players get injured(now its changed to booing at them). They even heckle their own injured players.

Sportsmanship isn't just about the athletes. Its also the fans. Classless fans make everyone at their respective schools look bad.

I did my undergraduate at Michigan and I've been in Wisconsin for four years now. Wisco's student section is easily rowdier and cruder than Michigan's, but I've never seen anyone at either school try to outright injure anyone. (I've only seen that once, at Spartan Stadium, but the few students doing that got tossed out of the game in a hurry.) I've also never seen a student section cheer or boo an injured player, aside from a few where a defense was clearly gassed and feigning injury to slow the game down. Which school are you at? Hell, even at the Michigan/Ohio State game, I've never seen fans from either school be downright malicious to each other.

 

[zinfamous]

I think the NCAA will be forced to get involved in this case. Some of my students were talking this morning about the signs they'll be making for the upcoming Wisco-PSU game, and while they were creative, they were brutal. I hope I talked them out of their plans because as I've said, the players are guiltless (even if the staff is not), and it's really disrespectful and callous to the victims. I heard yesterday that UW-Madison's President is planning on sending a message about that game and that they're considering banning grossly offensive signs from the game. (How they'll enforce that I have no idea.)

I would not be surprised at all if there is a mass exodus of players from the team. How would you feel if you were being taunted for your association, however tenuous, with a pedophile coach and a culture of silence that facilitated the rape of children in the same showers that you've probably used yourself? That's where the NCAA is going to have to step in. What are they going to do with the student-athletes that simply want no part of the "Ped State" program?

wonder if espn will let any through on gameday

WHoa..that game is scheduled for Gameday? ruh roh.

I assume that ushers at the gate can confiscate signs, and ESPN will likely move the Gameday desk to an internal, controlled environment. Likely throw in some canned fans for "atmosphere," but I don't see them wanting to risk the type of shenanigans that will inevitably occur behind their desk.

 

[Wreckem]

I did my undergraduate at Michigan and I've been in Wisconsin for four years now. Wisco's student section is easily rowdier and cruder than Michigan's, but I've never seen anyone at either school try to outright injure anyone. (I've only seen that once, at Spartan Stadium, but the few students doing that got tossed out of the game in a hurry.) I've also never seen a student section cheer or boo an injured player, aside from a few where a defense was clearly gassed and feigning injury to slow the game down. Which school are you at? Hell, even at the Michigan/Ohio State game, I've never seen fans from either school be downright malicious to each other.

The instances of injuring/trying to injure happened in the past and for the most part don't happen anymore. But if it happened again, I wouldn't be shocked. The culture is still there, more or less, theres just better/more security and staff.

The last incident was a fan assaulting a state trooper who he somehow mistook as the opposing coach. Or thats the excuse he gave when he went to court.

I honestly don't go to home games these days. Last year i had season tickets, but the fans are a big turn off. And sadly, its not just the students.

 

[Drako]

WHoa..that game is scheduled for Gameday? ruh roh.

Nope, and if it was, I'm sure ESPN would move it.

 

[zinfamous]

I never said we didn't have perverts back then. What I said was unfortunately more are "bred" today than ever before.

and the point is that you can't really know that.

the only evidence into this matter simply suggests that more cases are being reported--suggesting that such monsters have existed in pretty much the same numbers.

All you know is what is reported now vs what was reported then. This can not, logically, be used to make a factual statement regarding what was and has been going on.