Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[Drako]

What makes you think they are letting him finish the year out? That's just what JoePa announced. The board of trustees is in a series of meetings (with the Gov of PA included) to develop their own plan of action. It isn't going to happen overnight. Not sure why anyone expects all these people to be fired immediately.

This, it was JoePa's press conference. The BOT has yet to announce anything, and probably won't until tomorrow at the earliest.

 

[zinfamous]

I blame this on Michael Jackson and the education system. Speaking of the latter, it is well known that tens of thousands educators have done everything imaginable to children sexually and will continue to do so. The number of educators, including coaches, etc, involved in crimes against children is so astonishing we are numb to it. They outnumber the number of priests involved in scandal by 1000 to 1.

When that notorious child molester and rapist Michael Jackson was set free by sympathetic juries it sent a message to dirty teachers and coaches that it was ok to molest because if he could get away with it, certainly they could too.

We should subject all teachers and anyone else in contact with children to annual surprise psycological evalutations and make them carry liability insurance just in case they arent caught by this method of invasive questioning. :\

link or stfu.

edit: and actually, MJ apparently never molested or raped anyone. You should look at the court documents. And it's not an issue of winning the case (like OJ, who clearly is a murderer).

 

[classy]

thank you captain obvious.

What's your problem?

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

What makes you think they are letting him finish the year out? That's just what JoePa announced. The board of trustees is in a series of meetings (with the Gov of PA included) to develop their own plan of action. It isn't going to happen overnight. Not sure why anyone expects all these people to be fired immediately.

The University isn't run by one person...

Suspended with pay pending investigation. Problem solved.

Penn state will look back on the decision to let him coach this week as a colossal mistake someday.

 

[bignateyk]

Suspended with pay pending investigation. Problem solved.

Penn state will look back on the decision to let him coach this week as a colossal mistake someday.

Again, noone knows for sure if he'll be coaching this weekend. Why not wait until Saturday before getting your panties in a bunch? I want them all gone just as much as the next guy, but it isn't going to happen overnight when you've got a board of trustees that has to come to a consensus on the right way to react.

 

[alien42]

But today because of the information age, that mind of 20-30 years ago whose sick thoughts may have stayed dormant, today has avenues in which to embolden that mind to act on those sick thoughts.

that is as ignorant as saying cartoons and video games incite violence.

 

[Modelworks]

There was a much larger, much tighter "buddy" culture 20 and more years ago, where this kind of thing was simply swept away by pals. I think we are simply more aware, and more vigilant today, because we have become sick of that buddy culture. That, alone, suggests that such incidents are on the decline.

My mother told me of where she used to live in the 60's there was a popular local guy who was caught by his hunting club abusing children. He left town the next week and was later arrested. The entire week before his car tires got repeatedly flattened, his house windows got broken, and he found a doll hanging from a rope in his backyard with a note attached saying "you got 7 days" . People in the past didn't bury it as much as they dealt with it in their own ways, sometimes violent ways.

Thing is, classy, you'll very seldom here about male victims of sexual abuse. They keep this shit inside their entire lives, due to shame, emasculation, all of the stigma associated with them being violated, regardless of age. it sticks with them. These kind of monsters could freely hide behind social constraints of their good -ol boys club and stigmas attached to the shame and criminality of sexual abuse.

I know I kept it quiet when it happened to me and I didn't fully understand the effects until much later, I assumed that it happened to everyone and that it was a normal part of growing up. It changes a person and not always in ways that people might understand. For me it made me very withdrawn socially as I kept constantly feeling like everyone was older and more mature than me and that everyone was seeing me as that little kid all the time. Imagine being 16 and feeling like you are 8 socially.

 

[sactoking]

I think we're allowing our emotions to overwhelm common sense. Pedophilia is a heinous, heinous crime, and well deserving of punishment, and it certainly seems as though Sandusky is guilty. But all we have now is Grand Jury testimony. There hasn't been a trial, there hasn't been a conviction. Calling for everyone's head on a pike is an emotional response to a heinous issue, but to say that if everyone involved in Penn State athletics isn't fired in the next two days it's a travesty? That's a little bit of an over-reaction.

What if we took this hardline, "we must act immediately" stance with everything? Remember the Duke Lacrosse rape scandal a few years back? "Fire the entire athletic department!" Oh, wait, turns out the charges were completely fraudulent... well, I guess we goofed. If the entire athletic department HAD been immediately fired, how many lawsuits would Duke have had to deal with?

The Duke case is certainly different in that this case seems to be a LOT stronger; let's face it, no one thinks Sandusky DIDN'T do it. But just because it is an emotional issue, we can't abandon all logic and reason. An immediate emotional response to this visceral issue is what we want, but it is not going to be sensible. I would rather the school looked into the evidence carefully and made specific calls as to who was complicit rather than getting caught up in the hysteria of "kill them all." We cannot abandon reason in the face of tragedy. There's a system of rules and laws in place for a reason, and even when we feel they aren't bringing us the immediate justice we crave, they're a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

I agree with the sentiment. When Duke hit I was one of the people who didn't jump on the accuser's bandwagon (I also didn't actually back the accused, I wanted more info).

The difference I've seen in this case is that the grand jury testimony is from the "accused" themselves (Paterno, McQueary, et al) that they were made aware, discharged their legal duties, and then acted like nothing happened. It's not a third party accusing them of doing nothing, they admit to doing nothing.

 

[Squisher]

I think we're allowing our emotions to overwhelm common sense. Pedophilia is a heinous, heinous crime, and well deserving of punishment, and it certainly seems as though Sandusky is guilty. But all we have now is Grand Jury testimony. There hasn't been a trial, there hasn't been a conviction. Calling for everyone's head on a pike is an emotional response to a heinous issue, but to say that if everyone involved in Penn State athletics isn't fired in the next two days it's a travesty? That's a little bit of an over-reaction.

What if we took this hardline, "we must act immediately" stance with everything? Remember the Duke Lacrosse rape scandal a few years back? "Fire the entire athletic department!" Oh, wait, turns out the charges were completely fraudulent... well, I guess we goofed. If the entire athletic department HAD been immediately fired, how many lawsuits would Duke have had to deal with?

The Duke case is certainly different in that this case seems to be a LOT stronger; let's face it, no one thinks Sandusky DIDN'T do it. But just because it is an emotional issue, we can't abandon all logic and reason. An immediate emotional response to this visceral issue is what we want, but it is not going to be sensible. I would rather the school looked into the evidence carefully and made specific calls as to who was complicit rather than getting caught up in the hysteria of "kill them all." We cannot abandon reason in the face of tragedy. There's a system of rules and laws in place for a reason, and even when we feel they aren't bringing us the immediate justice we crave, they're a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

But, this is how this is different. In this case someone allegedly saw someone else having sex with a child, but all parties involved admit and there is irrefutable proof that those in positions of authority did not act on those allegations outside of sending a memo to their superiors. Now, some in the chain might be able to say they thought the police were called or they feared for their jobs and let those in authority handle it, but saying this of the AD or JoPa is laughable.

 

[classy]

I remember when my mom would ask me where I was going and what time I would be home, parents tended to keep better track of their kids than they do now. A lot of parents , both work and they leave the kids to determine where they should be and what they should do. Parents in general kept up more with what their kids were experiencing and families talked a lot more. Things like everyone sitting down at the dinner table are gone.

Exactly. But people don't wanna hear that. Today its always, "This is an isolated incident".

Now this seems to be a different animal though. This dude was operating through his foundation for kids with troubled backgrounds.

 

[Wreckem]

The way I see this is I could give him a pass if there was just one occurrence, for me though if I am having to repeatedly discuss the issue with officials at the college then I go to the police. One time you might just refer it to higher ups, 2, 3, 4, 5 + it is your responsibility as a human being to go to the police.

The only instance he had knowledge and discussed it with higher-ups was the 2002. People didn't know the details of the 1998 investigation until it was publicly leaked earlier this year. They just knew their were allegations and the the DA didn't go forward. Now we know there were two victims and a wiretapped confession, and a DA who derelicted his duty.

Everyone clamoring JoePa should be fired right now don't understand the way things work. A state institution cannot just fire someone without an investigation and in certain circumstances a termination hearing. JoePa likely would be entitled to a termination hearing. If he didn't voluntarily retire, Penn State would be dealing with this far longer than Jan. It would likely extend into next summer or longer.

Should he retire immediately? Probably, as it would definitely be in the best interest of everyone involved. But the school cannot just fire him.

 

[classy]

that is as ignorant as saying cartoons and video games incite violence.

You honestly think that people's minds and actions today are not more influenced by the information age of today?

 

[zinfamous]

paterno will regret finishing out the season. quicker all these people disappear, the quicker penn state can start shoveling their reputation out of the gutter.

Indeed. the fact that the BoT at PSU is still bowing at the pedestal of Joe and allowing him to go out on his terms is preposterously short-sighted. Allowing this team to roll out every weekend, dragging his rotting corpse behind them is going to be a monumental disaster.

It seems more and more, to me, that everyone needs to go--today. Unfortunately for the players that have no role in any of this, the football season may need to be canceled. Not sure if that's possible, though, with opponents scheduled and conference implications or whatever.

 

[zinfamous]

I believe across the board that the criminal mind has always been this bad. But today because of the information age, that mind of 20-30 years ago whose sick thoughts may have stayed dormant, today has avenues in which to embolden that mind to act on those sick thoughts.

yes, but your opinion seems to run counter to several decades of data regarding sexuality and even sexual deviance. It is quite true that cultures that have more outlets--even for the deviant sick fucks--porn, legalized prostitution, etc--you have far less sexual violence and crime, per capita.

Increasing outlets for behavior reduces acting on those behaviors and crime. imagine that.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Here's the problem though: Even if PSU thinks with logic and takes their sweet old time sorting through this, their rep is in further in the gutter as each day passes. People, including recruits, want to see this handled in a swift but just manner or they will lose faith in the school and de-commit. Time is most certainly of the essence, especially with the damning evidence available. I don't envy the trustees that have to handle this crap.

If PSU wants to save their rep, they should just houseclean and let everyone heal from what is possibly the most heinous act ever committed in college sports. Comparing this to the Duke case is laughable, 20+ young boys' lives have been shattered vs a stupid stripper's questionable allegations. I see your logic for the Duke case, but this case is a freaking travesty of epic proportions. Come on dude.

PSU's rep is going to be in the gutter regardless of whether they fire the entire athletic department right now or hand out some forcible retirements next week. The general concensus view is that PSU knew about child rape happening on their premises and let it continue unabated for years, possibly decades. One more week to formulate an appropriate response can't possibly make things worse, and I'd rather see the matter handled appropriately than with a knee-jerk emotional response.

The Duke case is an interesting parallel because when that story broke EVERYONE was convinced that the Duke players were guilty. The coach was forced to retire. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson went on tour to protest the horrendous act. When the allegations were revealed to be complete fabrications, there was a collective realization that maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't rush into snap judgments based solely on heinous accusations.

What's done is done. The heinous acts have happened, and nothing that PSU does now can repair that. The best thing is for them to make a swift but reasoned response. I'm not saying they should put together an investigative team and spend 6 months examining evidence, but this notion that "if this isn't fixed by today, they've failed"... They already failed when they didn't act on the information when it first surfaced. Now they need to react appropriately by properly identifying who had knowledge of the events and failed to properly deliver that information to the authorities, then punish them accordingly. I don't think some lowly athletic trainer who has only been there for a couple years should be hit with the same sanctions as the guy who witnessed the acts but didn't call the police.

 

[bignateyk]

Why does everyone think that JoePa announcing his retirement is the final decision? The BoT hasn't even finished their internal investigation and issued their statement.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Also, has anyone else noticed that Joe Paterno looks like one of the Gringott's Goblins from the Harry Potter movies?

 

[SP33Demon]

What's done is done. The heinous acts have happened, and nothing that PSU does now can repair that. The best thing is for them to make a swift but reasoned response. I'm not saying they should put together an investigative team and spend 6 months examining evidence, but this notion that "if this isn't fixed by today, they've failed"... They already failed when they didn't act on the information when it first surfaced. Now they need to react appropriately by properly identifying who had knowledge of the events and failed to properly deliver that information to the authorities, then punish them accordingly. I don't think some lowly athletic trainer who has only been there for a couple years should be hit with the same sanctions as the guy who witnessed the acts but didn't call the police.

Thanks for clarifying, yes I agree that another week isn't going to tarnish their image more than it already is, but you do risk losing recruits. I'm just going to leave it at they need to resolve this thing ASAP if they want to have any semblance of a football team in the next 2 years which involve very good recruits.

 

[zinfamous]

Simply put, imo you need to learn more about what are known facts in this situation, and stop suggesting an irrational lynch mob mentality is what's going on here.

I think he still makes a good point, though--just about everyone was ready to crucify that lacrosse team (my mom lives less than a mile from "that house"), and you couldn't really go anywhere in Durham for those 5 months or so without having that shit forced down your throat.

BUT--that's where it ends of course. The facts here are pretty much indisputable, and the testimony from all of those involved in these related organizations (those who worked with and knew these people and this system) confirm that this is what was going on.

 

[SP33Demon]

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7211798&categoryid=2564308

Steven A. Smith and Skip Bayless emphatically agree that Paterno has to go... NOW. Not one more season, not one more game, but NOW.

As the media intensity grows for him to step down immediately, will he give in?

 

[Miramonti]

Why does everyone think that JoePa announcing his retirement is the final decision? The BoT hasn't even finished their internal investigation and issued their statement.

Oh, the irony of this investigation.

Penn State trustees allegedly silenced board president in sex abuse case

 

[bignateyk]

Thanks for clarifying, yes I agree that another week isn't going to tarnish their image more than it already is, but you do risk losing recruits. I'm just going to leave it at they need to resolve this thing ASAP if they want to have any semblance of a football team in the next 2 years which involve very good recruits.

The recruiting is going to be impacted much more by who they get to replace JoePa than how quickly JoePa leaves.

 

[Wreckem]

Why does everyone think that JoePa announcing his retirement is the final decision? The BoT hasn't even finished their internal investigation and issued their statement.

They haven't even started their investigation. They are still in the process of selecting who's going to be on in the investigation committee. My best guess is their investigation doesn't conclude until after football season is over. If he's gone before the end of the season it will be by his own volition.

 

[Drako]

Anybody think that the NCAA will act on this bylaw?

"Title:19.01.2 - Exemplary Conduct.
Individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration, the conduct or the coaching of intercollegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be influenced by a fine example. Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen."

 

[Miramonti]

Anybody think that the NCAA will act on this bylaw?

"Title:19.01.2 - Exemplary Conduct.
Individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration, the conduct or the coaching of intercollegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be influenced by a fine example. Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen."

In regards to Paterno?...haha