PC Perspective makes a mockery of console ownership.

[Dumac]

I think this is my biggest gripe. I don't want to buy a title on release and fight with it only to find out they rushed it and it needs to be patched (if they patch it at all).

This happens with console games too. Although half the time they just don't get patched and stay broken.

 

[ShawnD1]

What? No. Are you crazy?

He's not that far off. I got a PS3 a couple months ago for $250 and it will play any PS3 game I throw at it. My gaming PC cost a hell of a lot more than $250. I think it was about $1000 when I built it last year.

 

[Dumac]

He's not that far off. I got a PS3 a couple months ago for $250 and it will play any PS3 game I throw at it. My gaming PC cost a hell of a lot more than $250. I think it was about $1000 when I built it last year.

You $1000 gaming PC you built last year should perform bounds and bounds better than your PS3. Hell, a prebuilt for $1000 should still be miles ahead the PS3.

You should be able to build a PS3 equivalent PC for 300 or 400 dollars, 500 max.

 

[stuup1dmofo]

He's not that far off. I got a PS3 a couple months ago for $250 and it will play any PS3 game I throw at it. My gaming PC cost a hell of a lot more than $250. I think it was about $1000 when I built it last year.

+1. For most games, consoles do quite decent enough honestly. I enjoy playing my $250 ps3 as much as my $1200 gaming rig. Sound wise, they're exactly the same. Interface wise I prefer my ps3 controller over mouse/keyboard for everything but fps/strategy. In terms of graphics my pc rocks the socks off my ps3. My pc can ultra witcher 2 and bf3 at 60fps, but console games still look pretty good in my opinion. Uncharted, Resistance, and Final Fantasy all still hold up quite well.

 

[stuup1dmofo]

You $1000 gaming PC you built last year should perform bounds and bounds better than your PS3. Hell, a prebuilt for $1000 should still be miles ahead the PS3.

You should be able to build a PS3 equivalent PC for 300 or 400 dollars, 500 max.

Actually 300 is a near impossible task simply due to OS cost.
$50 cpu
$50 mobo
$30 psu
$20 ram
$100 gpu
$50 hd
$30 case
$30 mouse/keyboard
$15 dvd drive ($60 if you want blu ray)
extra fans etc $15
at least $100 for OS
Add sales tax as well.

People never add the cost of an OS i noticed.

Edit: Please remember that the computer has to also be reliable (4 year life minimum) and brand new, no used parts, crazy off brands, or pirated/pre bought OS.

 

[aigomorla]

If he can't honestly see why it is easier to connect and use a console on a TV than it is to do the same for a PC then he is fooling himself.

HOW SO?

tell me HOW is it easier to connect a console to a TV?

Most PC's now have HDMI.. Most TV's have HDMI... Add 2 together.. and its the same.

Im not supporting either or... people have there favorates...

The only real fact in hardware difference between a PC and Console is straight up COST and titles.
The only valid excuse is "Because i couldnt afford it." OR "Because its only available on the PS3/XBOX360"

They BOTH can use HDMI and make integration easy... However u cant watch a MKV H.264 1080p movie on a PS3 or Xbox360 without a PC to convert it now can u?
Then again... thats not why u got the console to begin with, while as a HTPC you made it so it can do that and PLAY your games on the HDTV.

Lastly... ur not going to get 3d on console no matter how hard you try until later on in the future....
Whereas i have friends who play 3d on 52inch LED 240hz TV's with HTPC using a 480GTX -> 580GTX inside the HTPC box and have been for more then 1 yr now....

Once again COST... as those videocard alone cost more then a XBOX360 complete @ Launch.

 

[Pandora's Box]

One of the biggest factors in choosing where I game, at the end of the day, is which of my friends is playing on what. That pushes me towards my end result. BF3 might be better on the PC, but if all my friends are rocking the 360 it doesn't really matter to me that BF3 looks or plays better on PC. Gaming has gone social, and in THAT regard its really hard to beat how LIVE makes creating a party and having it persist in game easy peazy. Playing with your friends makes up for all sorts of graphical shortcomings.

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This. If my friends are playing a game on 360, thats where I will play it too. Atleast for multiplayer games.


Also my 360 is hooked up to a 120" screen thru a 1080p projector in my movie room. PC is in my office hooked up to a 25" monitor. Im not about to lug my pc case into the movie room, just to play a game on the projector. It would work if my pc was in a HTPC case but its hard to fit 4 hard drives, 2 video cards, etc... into a HTPC case. When I just want to sit back, relax and enjoy a game, generally I find myself playing it on the 360.

Edit:

Also whenever I game on the pc I usually end up spending most of my time with the game tweaking settings/messing with config files and installing mods. I think I spend more time doing that than actually playing the game. Rarely these days do I just sit down at the pc and enjoy a long gaming session. With the 360 however, I find myself sitting their for a good 4+ hours gaming away.

 

[mooncancook]

There are some good points. I have a gaming htpc connected to my living-room tv. We also have the wii, ps3, and xbox360 with kinect. We hardly turn on the consoles anymore except when we have friends over as they are better for parties.

We use the pc to watch streaming/dl videos, my wife plays Sims 3 on it sometimes. I play most of my games on the htpc. PC games are a lot cheaper, and with PC I have more choices in gaming input devices: kb+m, flight sticks, wheels, and the xbox wireless gamepad works perfectly (w/ adapter). Cost wise it is hard to compare them because your pc can function so much more than just gaming, and software cost is difficult to compare. Plus when you upgrade you'll be able to keep some components.

For me I can get rid of any of the 3 consoles and i won't miss them, but I definitely cannot get rid of my htpc.

 

[aigomorla]

It would work if my pc was in a HTPC case but its hard to fit 4 hard drives, 2 video cards, etc... into a HTPC case. When I just want to sit back, relax and enjoy a game, generally I find myself playing it on the 360.

and an xbox360 has all this?

no wait.. better yet.. a xbox360 has a gpu prowess equal to SLI / XFIRE?

:whiste:

Dude your not making ANY SENSE in your reasoning...

ITs called if u get a basic PC for basic stuff, a NAS for your drives, and you bring your DESKTOP down scaled down into HTPC / Gaming duty.

Once again.. COST will be the factor... but your reason alone makes no sense outside of COST.
The classes arent even compariable which ur trying to lump together.

ONCE AGAIN.. the only 2 logical reasons on why a CONSOLE > PC
1. $$$$$$
2. Titles.

THATS IT and only IT.

Otherwise a PC will spank a console in every direction, because our VSYNC is at 60fps.. and not 30fps.. and you can even disable VSYNC on a PC which u cant do on a console.
Meaning potentially a PC can push out more then 4x the frames in the same game title a console can.... especially if its a 120hz 3D.

 

[BladeVenom]

Actually 300 is a near impossible task simply due to OS cost.
$50 cpu
$50 mobo
$30 psu
$20 ram
$100 gpu
$50 hd
$30 case
$30 mouse/keyboard
$15 dvd drive ($60 if you want blu ray)
extra fans etc $15
at least $100 for OS
Add sales tax as well.

People never add the cost of an OS i noticed.

Console fans also don't add in the cost of a basic computer. Everyone who has a console still needs a computer for everything else. Who has a console, but doesn't use Windows or OSX?

Those tallying up the costs of a console never add in the cost of Xbox Live, the cost of a console hard drive, or the extra cost you pay for console games.

If you read the Hot Deals section, you could have gotten a HD 4870 for $55. That beats the crap out of any console.

 

[Veliko]

HOW SO?

tell me HOW is it easier to connect a console to a TV?

Most PC's now have HDMI.. Most TV's have HDMI... Add 2 together.. and its the same.

No, it is not the same at all. A console is considerably smaller than a TV and can be plonked on the floor. Put a desktop tower on the floor and it is unstable.

Most people have their PCs in a different room and under a desk. Scrambling around and unplugging everything to connect it to the PC would be a pain in the arse.

That is why it is easier plugging a console to a TV than it is a PC.

 

[Veliko]

Console fans also don't add in the cost of a basic computer. Everyone who has a console still needs a computer for everything else. Who has a console, but doesn't use Windows or OSX?

Those tallying up the costs of a console never add in the cost of Xbox Live, the cost of a console hard drive, or the extra cost you pay for console games.

If you read the Hot Deals section, you could have gotten a HD 4870 for $55. That beats the crap out of any console.

And PC gamers never tally up the cost of maintaining a PC.

The cost arguments depend entirely on your spending habits. Console gamers can shop around, buy second hand and wait for price drops. PC gamers can upgrade their SLI configurations every four months.

Depends entirely on how you go about it.

 

[ShawnD1]

Console fans also don't add in the cost of a basic computer. Everyone who has a console still needs a computer for everything else. Who has a console, but doesn't use Windows or OSX?

The difference is that a not-gaming PC is extremely cheap, so the guy with the Xbox can get away with having the cheapest computer available. Right now I'm typing this on a computer I built around September 2006, so that's 5 years ago, and it's still 10x more computer than I need to type this. Since I don't play games on this particular computer, I expect it to run another 3+ years before it finally dies. I have never had a gaming computer last that long. They seem to get replaced every 3 years or so. This current generation of gaming computer I have is the longest living one; the main guts are all new but it has been using the same video card for 4 years. It's a GeForce 8800GTX and it still works great.

That's the difference there. If you play console games, you can get a computer and expect a solid 8 years out of it. With PC games, I end up replacing the whole thing after 3 years, and the replacement computer is super expensive too. I really tried to get into console gaming because I like the idea of saving money, but I just can't stand the controls.

 

[BladeVenom]

That's the difference there. If you play console games, you can get a computer and expect a solid 8 years out of it. With PC games, I end up replacing the whole thing after 3 years, and the replacement computer is super expensive too.

The average computer doesn't last 8 years. I think it's in the 3 to 5 year range. So the average console gamer is going to have to replace his desktop PC almost as often as a gamer does. Typically a gamer will generally just upgrade his PC, so that will save some money.

 

[stuup1dmofo]

Console fans also don't add in the cost of a basic computer. Everyone who has a console still needs a computer for everything else. Who has a console, but doesn't use Windows or OSX?

Those tallying up the costs of a console never add in the cost of Xbox Live, the cost of a console hard drive, or the extra cost you pay for console games.

If you read the Hot Deals section, you could have gotten a HD 4870 for $55. That beats the crap out of any console.

Don't need to add in the cost of a basic computer because most adults have a laptop or low power desktop for work and a separate machine on the side for play (be it a console or a gaming computer). So PC gamers also have a basic computer along with their Gaming rigs. They must buy two windows/osx licenses. Console gamers only need one.

Console hard drive point is valid for one console and not so much the other two. Game prices are only really that high if you buy on release day. Xbox live only applies to one console.

My gaming PC plays the multiplatform/pc only release games, my ps3 plays console exclusives and acts as my blu-ray/netflix machine. I'm not sure how anyone can argue that a $250 dollar machine that plays most games decently, blu-rays, cds/dvds, and works right out of the box without much effort is a bad value. Sure i can get a blu-ray drive for my rig, but my rig uses way more power than ps3 does and is significantly louder.

 

[stuup1dmofo]

A gaming console is like a Toyota Camry with an automatic transmission. Relatively Cheap with low maintenance and just enough hp to get you going to where you need to go without any hassle. A gaming PC is a BMW M3 with a manual gearbox, it'll do everything a cheaper car does but way faster and flashier. There's more to learn and worry about, but it's quite satisfying.

 

[wuliheron]

A gaming console is like a Toyota Camry with an automatic transmission. Relatively Cheap with low maintenance and just enough hp to get you going to where you need to go without any hassle. A gaming PC is a BMW M3 with a manual gearbox, it'll do everything a cheaper car does but way faster and flashier. There's more to learn and worry about, but it's quite satisfying.

Gaming PCs are more like muscle cars. Not only powerful, but easy to work on yourself. With a console you can't do squat to upgrade or fix the thing. Its more like a Metro Geo. Disposable technology that just barely gets the job done, can't be upgraded or worked on at home, and isn't even worth sending to the shop if it breaks.

 

[mooncancook]

yes pc gaming can easily cost more, but it's not that much more. Millions of ppl are spending $500+ on iPad that is outdated in less than 2 yrs so it's not really such a big deal to a lot of the ppl. You don't need cutting edge hardware to enjoy the latest games either, my aging e8400 and relatively cheap 6870 handles all the latest games just fine at 1080p, at worst I can lower to 720p while still looking much better than consoles.

One thing about pc gaming tho, you are always tempted to upgrade so your wallet is not safe. I have been fighting hard to resist from upgrading to i5/i7.

 

[stuup1dmofo]

Gaming PCs are more like muscle cars. Not only powerful, but easy to work on yourself. With a console you can't do squat to upgrade or fix the thing. Its more like a Metro Geo. Disposable technology that just barely gets the job done, can't be upgraded or worked on at home, and isn't even worth sending to the shop if it breaks.

I wouldn't want my pc to be a muscle car. American muscle gets spanked at the track left and right. I'd rather be a rally or touring car.

 

[Grooveriding]

I just don't find console games to be any good. I have all three of the modern consoles and rarely use any of them.

The only good games on console for me are the Mario series games, everything else is just bad, or much better on the PC. I don't like uncharted, resistance, gears of war or any of the other series. Just don't get the appeal, gameplay is just plain bad for those games on consoles.

I don't see any use for a console and an FPS game or an RPG game. The only games that make sense on console to me are platformers like Mario or sports games.

 

[Grooveriding]

I wouldn't want my pc to be a muscle car. American muscle gets spanked at the track left and right. I'd rather be a rally or touring car.

I love muscle cars. Every one is unique, not like another, you don't see a bazillion of them everywhere. They have character and can be customized, and when you see a nice one it's always an eye grabber. Also, they go realllllllly fast in a straight line.

Sort of like gaming rigs. :awe:

 

[aigomorla]

No, it is not the same at all. A console is considerably smaller than a TV and can be plonked on the floor. Put a desktop tower on the floor and it is unstable.

*face palm*

Where do you think my towers sit??? on a desk? Towers are MENT to be on the floor.
There is nothing wrong with a ITX tower sitting on the floor either... and it will be near the size of a PS3....

And im sorry but have you ever heard of an ITX? ummm The lianLi Q-08 series can support a long GPU card, is about 200mm Tall in total and you can easily get a Sandy-B in ITX...

Dude... you guys who CANT AFFORD A HTPC are making up all the most BS reasons u can think of on why a console is better then a PC OUTSIDE of price.

And PC gamers never tally up the cost of maintaining a PC.

The cost arguments depend entirely on your spending habits. Console gamers can shop around, buy second hand and wait for price drops. PC gamers can upgrade their SLI configurations every four months.

Depends entirely on how you go about it.

*double face palm*
Upgrade SLI every 4 months? LMAO...

Even a low grade XFIRE / SLI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CONSOLE..

Sorry your reasoning = COMPLETE BS AND LOST!

I'm not sure how anyone can argue that a $250 dollar machine that plays most games decently, blu-rays, cds/dvds, and works right out of the box without much effort is a bad value. Sure i can get a blu-ray drive for my rig, but my rig uses way more power than ps3 does and is significantly louder.

Were not arguing the COST issue..
The fact tho is a PC will spank a console backwards and forwards if you IGNORE COST.
PC's are now so cheap... you can litterally build a box for sub 250 if you get used parts.
I have done it MANY TIMES...

But it still COSTS money... u need the background hardware.. like a NAS if you want to make it useful, and you need a pretty stable / reliable network setup.

But thats IT....

What im reading is, is people going Consoles better... better then PC's... yada yada... PC users need to spend a gignormous amount of money to match console.... yada yada... when the fact is when you do spend that ginormous amount of money, the machine IS NOT EVEN IN THE SAME CLASS AS A CONSOLE ANYMORE PERIOD.

And your PC will do way more then a console can possibly dream about, and when your eyes are acustomed to 60fps+... when you downscale on a console, things look utterly dismal because its choppy at 30fps.

Millions of ppl are spending $500+ on iPad that is outdated in less than 2 yrs so it's not really such a big deal to a lot of the ppl. You don't need cutting edge hardware to enjoy the latest games either, my aging e8400 and relatively cheap 6870 handles all the latest games just fine at 1080p, at worst I can lower to 720p while still looking much better than consoles.

One thing about pc gaming tho, you are always tempted to upgrade so your wallet is not safe. I have been fighting hard to resist from upgrading to i5/i7.

+1 to this... this guy see's what im talking about.
Greed makes gamers want to upgrade so things get faster.. less loadup times... more FPS ... the upgrade isnt mandatory unless ur sitting on a very outdated platform with video card.

I wouldn't want my pc to be a muscle car. American muscle gets spanked at the track left and right. I'd rather be a rally or touring car.

My Gaming PC is a Air Craft Carrier.. Its as big as one too.. but like an air craft carrier, once its parked, its GAME OVERS.

IF ANY of u guys gamed on my machine:

You couldnt touch a console anymore PERIOD.
Infact the loadup times alone would probably make you sit there and CRY.
This is how badly we are spoiled once we get into high Tech gaming PC's...
And you guys want to pit my machine with a console?

Dont make me laugh...

Want it Smaller?

There i compressed a high level gaming machine into a TINY BOX.
That has a I7-975 clocked @ 4.4ghz, and the gpu support on that case is almost unlimited.
You cant get double gpu cards... but ive seen people throw on a 580GTX in SLI inside that case.

Once again COST and ONLY COST!

 

[Veliko]

aigomorla I think you need to try and rely less on your emotions on these things.

 

[aigomorla]

aigomorla I think you need to try and rely less on your emotions on these things.

i think people need to accept the raw fact outside

1. $$$$
2. Titles..

A PC is way better then a console and stop making utter BS excuses on why its not.


if you come here and say, all my friends are on xbox live that i play with so a console is better for me.... then i wont argue...
Your community is there, your friends are there, its not on the PC side so that wins.
But hardware vs and same title vs? NO

There is no win for the console.... infact the console gets spanked so hard because of the slow updates vs a PC has, that its just even more sad when you compare the two.

 

[Veliko]

i think people need to accept the raw fact outside

1. $$$$
2. Titles..

A PC is way better then a console and stop making utter BS excuses on why its not.

You are deluded.

If you went onto a cooking forum and saw people were arguing and getting upset about a debate on whether a fork or a spoon was better, what would your response be?