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A quick Google gave me these.

Mass Effect
Empire Total War
Hellgate London
Oblivion
Morrowind

I played 4 out of 5 of those and never had issues that made them unplayable, even before the first patch.

As a matter of fact, after 20 years of PC gaming, the only game I've ever had that had a game-breaking error was Wheel of Time, and it was actually a manufacturing defect with a batch of game discs that made it impossible to complete the installation. They gave me replacement discs for free.
 

Pacman4

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I hate consolization so much. The lack of complexity removes all replay value that this otherwise amazing game would have.

True, but I'm at a point where I've moved on from run and gun or cover and gun games, but I get your point.
With the exception of Crysis, I don't care for shooters anymore, unless they're built into a RPG system like DXHR/FO3 etc.

Two area's in which consolization has taken a heavy toll on PC games is tactical shooters and racing games, so no GRAW for PC, and F1 2010/11, Shift1/2 all suffer steering issues{among other things}, whereas PC exclusives like Ferrari FVA, Game Stock Car and even the Simbin expansion packs all work superbly with a wheel and have epic FFB.
 

Pacman4

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I played 4 out of 5 of those and never had issues that made them unplayable, even before the first patch.

As a matter of fact, after 20 years of PC gaming, the only game I've ever had that had a game-breaking error was Wheel of Time, and it was actually a manufacturing defect with a batch of game discs that made it impossible to complete the installation. They gave me replacement discs for free.

I beg your pardon, but he's immune to facts/truth:|
 

Veliko

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I played 4 out of 5 of those and never had issues that made them unplayable, even before the first patch.

As a matter of fact, after 20 years of PC gaming, the only game I've ever had that had a game-breaking error was Wheel of Time, and it was actually a manufacturing defect with a batch of game discs that made it impossible to complete the installation. They gave me replacement discs for free.

I am not saying that everyone had the issues with those games, but many people did. I had it with Mass Effect where it would freeze on the character creation screen.

This is starting to veer off what I was originally saying though, which is that the patching required for console games is not the same as the patching required for PC games. The variation in hardware is one cause and the attitude of the PC developers is another.
 

Aikouka

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Really? I have a PS3 which I don't really game on much, but it requires patches all the time (and I have to pay a subscription to update in the background??! wtf?) which take forever. Then the game has to update, also a pain. Netflix account info disappear and I have log in again blah blah.

I actually wish they would make different Playstation+ tiers. I don't need free games or discounts, but I would consider paying $2 a month for the perks like automatic save uploading, automatic updating, etc.

*e8400+4gig+6850=cheap as chips PC still pumping out GENUINE 1200p....I'm also DX11 maxing Dirt3 and F1 2011.

I like how you call it "GENUINE 1200p" and there's no such thing. I get really annoyed when people make up their own 'p' numbers. I've seen people use things like "576p"... what the hell does that mean!? 720p and 1080p (or 1080i) are industry standards that are defined as HD and Full-HD with resolutions of 1280x720 and 1920x1080 respectively.

Stop making up your own "p numbers"!

Although, I assume you're talking about 1920x1200, which is WUXGA. :p

The only real way to play PC games on a TV is to... put the TV on your desk and use it as a monitor like I did.

Aren't HDTVs (and televisions in general) typically a somewhat poor choice for a monitor? If I remember correctly, TVs usually have larger dot pitches (space between each pixel), which is fine for its intended use, because you sit further away from a TV than you do your computer.
 

stuup1dmofo

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I don't understand why any of this really matters. Consoles and PCs are just platforms in which people use to play games. A good game on PC or console is still a good game. People just like to justify their purchase or way of life and claim it to be superior because it makes them feel special.

For the record, I own a PS3 and a dedicated gaming PC. Between those two (pc running dolphin to replace my wii) I can play the majority of games. I love both and think each has their place. It's a lot like cars, just because you drive a Porsche 911 Turbo doesn't mean you can't enjoy a Hyundai Genesis. Both have their crowds and price points.

Talking to the general public (i work in the customer service industry), most don't game on PC because they have older PCs or have a laptop in which they use only for email/work/browsing. There's a reason cheap laptops and pre builts have taken off. It's easy, simple, and just works out of the box. Pretty much Dell, HP, and Apple can be compared to console makers. At the end of the day, can't we all just enjoy games.
 

Pacman4

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I like how you call it "GENUINE 1200p" and there's no such thing. I get really annoyed when people make up their own 'p' numbers. I've seen people use things like "576p"... what the hell does that mean!? 720p and 1080p (or 1080i) are industry standards that are defined as HD and Full-HD with resolutions of 1280x720 and 1920x1080 respectively.

Stop making up your own "p numbers"!

Although, I assume you're talking about 1920x1200, which is WUXGA. :p
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Obviously I meant 1920x1200, what else did you think it could mean?.....speaking of which, you don't even know that 576p is a PAL progressive signal used for PAL DVD's and some FTA/OTA broadcasts, so please don't try and correct me when you've yet to even get your head around the basics:rolleyes:
 

Pacman4

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At the end of the day, can't we all just enjoy games.

What about the consolization process ruining many gamers for PC gamers?
What about informing people of the truth about these consoles and low rent boxes, ie, you get what you pay for?
 

stuup1dmofo

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What about the consolization process ruining many gamers for PC gamers?
What about informing people of the truth about these consoles and low rent boxes, ie, you get what you pay for?

You can crusade and "inform people of the truth" all you want. You will lose at the end of the day. You can accept it or rage about it to no avail.

I will enjoy my gaming on both platforms.
 

Veliko

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What about the consolization process ruining many gamers for PC gamers?
What about informing people of the truth about these consoles and low rent boxes, ie, you get what you pay for?

If PC games are falling by the wayside then that is the fault of the various software and hardware companies that deal in PC hardware.

You still fail to understand why people are buying and using consoles.
 

ShawnD1

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I like how you call it "GENUINE 1200p" and there's no such thing. I get really annoyed when people make up their own 'p' numbers. I've seen people use things like "576p"... what the hell does that mean!? 720p and 1080p (or 1080i) are industry standards that are defined as HD and Full-HD with resolutions of 1280x720 and 1920x1080 respectively.
The number indicates vertical pixels and the p means it draws full pictures at a time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/576p



Aren't HDTVs (and televisions in general) typically a somewhat poor choice for a monitor? If I remember correctly, TVs usually have larger dot pitches (space between each pixel), which is fine for its intended use, because you sit further away from a TV than you do your computer.
The 1080p TV I bought a few months ago certainly does seem lower quality than a computer monitor. The resolution is good and the picture is good, but I think the refresh is slower. Like the pixels take more time to change color. When I started playing Fallout New Vegas, I noticed that the colors blurred over when rotating my view. I no longer notice the effect, but it's definitely there. Something coming from a good computer monitor would be like "dude your TV sucks"
 

Aikouka

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The number indicates vertical pixels and the p means it draws full pictures at a time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/576p

Yeah, I know what the numbers mean. :) The problem that I normally have is that people tend to just toss a "p number" out there without regard to what the corresponding vertical lines of resolution should be for that number if the number is even a standard. Like if I say something is 720p, it better be 1280x720 (16x9) not 1152x720 (16x10). I mention it below, but most "576p" files that I see on the net are actually 1024x576, which is 16x9.

The 1080p TV I bought a few months ago certainly does seem lower quality than a computer monitor. The resolution is good and the picture is good, but I think the refresh is slower. Like the pixels take more time to change color. When I started playing Fallout New Vegas, I noticed that the colors blurred over when rotating my view. I no longer notice the effect, but it's definitely there. Something coming from a good computer monitor would be like "dude your TV sucks"

I assume by refresh you mean pixel response time (I think that's what they call it) or terms like GTG (gray to gray). Most TVs that I see are 60Hz or 120Hz (60 or 120 refreshes per second max), and some are even 240Hz. I actually didn't even think of that, but I guess TVs do have a bit of leeway since most content that they play is only between 24 (fine fine, 23.976 :p) and 30 FPS.

I've considered it a few times, and I still may use a TV on my desk strictly for consoles, but I think I'll keep using computer monitors for my computer. :)

Obviously I meant 1920x1200, what else did you think it could mean?

The whole point is that you don't use made-up abbreviations and expect people to understand what you're talking about. Hell, I've had people misunderstand what 1080p meant, and I had to explain the dimensions behind it. Now you want to go and make up your own "standards", and you expect others to auto-magically know what you mean?

You see what I'm getting at? Just say 1920x1200 and avoid confusion, which you'll see what I mean in a second...


speaking of which, you don't even know that 576p is a PAL progressive signal used for PAL DVD's and some FTA/OTA broadcasts, so please don't try and correct me when you've yet to even get your head around the basics:rolleyes:

I think you may be misunderstanding my problem behind the "576p". The issue is that their resolution was not a standard resolution. Almost every file that I see with 576 horizontal lines of resolution is actually 1024x576 (which is 16x9). This is the problem that I have with randomly using "p numbers" is that it tends to cause confusion among people. If I told you I had a 576p file, you would expect it to be in Australian EDTV (which in America, EDTV = 480p), but I would be providing a 16x9 1024x576 file.

Confusing! :p
 

homercles337

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And here I was figuring it was obvious that I would have tried the obvious things, my mistake.

The fact that you don't even acknowledge that there can be difficult to diagnose problems when using non-standard configurations of hardware really isn't doing you any favors.

Apologies, I did not realize you were "special." If you take your helmet off you can see the holes for the plugs easier. Try it.
 

Aikouka

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Maybe, but given the context of this discussion, 1200p seems like a reasonable way to abbreviate 1920x1200...and it also means extra pixels to boot.

Yeah. I prefer 1920x1200 over 1080p, but there is one annoying aspect about it for me. I use Sony Vegas for encoding my videos, and it's restricted to 1080p as its maximum render frame size (Pro -- the $500 version -- can do more). :( I usually end up resizing my videos but keeping the same aspect ratio.
 

Pacman4

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Plonk a HDTV next to your 16:10 LCD and you're in business.
I have a 26in 16:10+37in 1080p....all video's look better on the HDTV, but games don't always look better, they can look a bit hyper real like New Vegas for example.
 

jacc1234

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I think you may be misunderstanding my problem behind the "576p". The issue is that their resolution was not a standard resolution. Almost every file that I see with 576 horizontal lines of resolution is actually 1024x576 (which is 16x9). This is the problem that I have with randomly using "p numbers" is that it tends to cause confusion among people. If I told you I had a 576p file, you would expect it to be in Australian EDTV (which in America, EDTV = 480p), but I would be providing a 16x9 1024x576 file.
Confusing! :p


1024x576 is a "standard" resolution for 16x9 576p content. Nothing wrong with labeling it as such.
 

shortylickens

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Plonk a HDTV next to your 16:10 LCD and you're in business.
I have a 26in 16:10+37in 1080p....all video's look better on the HDTV, but games don't always look better, they can look a bit hyper real like New Vegas for example.

In the computer version you can kill the annoyances like HDR Bloom and the weird depth-of-field effect.
 

ShawnD1

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In the computer version you can kill the annoyances like HDR Bloom and the weird depth-of-field effect.

You should probably keep HDR on. When it's turned off, everything looks a lot darker for some reason. Even when the brightness is turned up, it looks dark.
 

Dumac

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Consoles will never die, kids love them and they're a third to a tenth the cost of PC's decent enough to play the same titles. If they never know what they're missing they're not missing anything at all.

What? No. Are you crazy?