Pats = cheaters? Confirmed

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: KLin
Patriots = screwed for the future

Can we start calling it the cheating dynasty yet? Or is it too soon.

Nah, the cheating dynasty it is!

Sounds PERFECT to me.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Tommouse
Ok I guess I don't see the big deal. Miami deciphered the Pats audibles, and took advantage of it. They studied tape, the Pats were just gathering more tape. Against the rules, yes, but there are many rules and laws we don't follow as they are lame. This is not classified information, say they just had someone who was phenomenal at remembering things, and he could record them. Would that be against the rules to, doubt it. Seems to just be the medium of gathering information.

The next part would be, did it affect the game? The answer would be no. The Jets were decimated, so even if somehow it was usable they Pats still were the better team. I stress the somehow because as I understand it is very hard to decipher these signals, especially hard on the fly. Your next argument would be that at the half they had the time. The Pats were up by a touchdown already and their defense was showing no signs of weakness. Add in the kickoff return and you now have 21 points, that enough would have beat them.

So in summary, it's a stupid rule and the Jets were going to lose anyways.

Link to a story about Miami deciphering audibles:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2696227

Wow! Really, WOW!

Have you ever played competitve sports at all (if you did you would see how wrong the pats behavior is)? Do you even watch football?

The rules are in place to prevent an advantage. The pats broke the rules, REPEATEDLY, AND WARNED ABOUT ITthey are cheaters, they cheated. How can one see this any other way?

thank you, at least ONE other person sees it the same way, i am soo sick of patriot apologists. trying to claim they know better than the NFL what does or does not constitute cheating and what does or does not give a team an advantage.

so, according to our amazingly brilliant poster, belicheck had this guy break the rules of the NFL for NO GOOD REASON whatsoever. belicheck must be the stupidest head coach ever then.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Tommouse
Ok I guess I don't see the big deal. Miami deciphered the Pats audibles, and took advantage of it. They studied tape, the Pats were just gathering more tape. Against the rules, yes, but there are many rules and laws we don't follow as they are lame. This is not classified information, say they just had someone who was phenomenal at remembering things, and he could record them. Would that be against the rules to, doubt it. Seems to just be the medium of gathering information.

The next part would be, did it affect the game? The answer would be no. The Jets were decimated, so even if somehow it was usable they Pats still were the better team. I stress the somehow because as I understand it is very hard to decipher these signals, especially hard on the fly. Your next argument would be that at the half they had the time. The Pats were up by a touchdown already and their defense was showing no signs of weakness. Add in the kickoff return and you now have 21 points, that enough would have beat them.

So in summary, it's a stupid rule and the Jets were going to lose anyways.

Link to a story about Miami deciphering audibles:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2696227

So it's ok to cheat if it doesn't affect the outcome of the game? Sure, let the Pats get away with it just because it didn't matter... but what if the next time they did it was in a close win? The fact that all teams have been warned NOT TO USE RECORDING DEVICES ON THE FIELD basically makes it impossible to defend the Pats. The teams don't decide the rules - the league does. End of story.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Tommouse
Ok I guess I don't see the big deal. Miami deciphered the Pats audibles, and took advantage of it. They studied tape, the Pats were just gathering more tape. Against the rules, yes, but there are many rules and laws we don't follow as they are lame. This is not classified information, say they just had someone who was phenomenal at remembering things, and he could record them. Would that be against the rules to, doubt it. Seems to just be the medium of gathering information.

The next part would be, did it affect the game? The answer would be no. The Jets were decimated, so even if somehow it was usable they Pats still were the better team. I stress the somehow because as I understand it is very hard to decipher these signals, especially hard on the fly. Your next argument would be that at the half they had the time. The Pats were up by a touchdown already and their defense was showing no signs of weakness. Add in the kickoff return and you now have 21 points, that enough would have beat them.

So in summary, it's a stupid rule and the Jets were going to lose anyways.

Link to a story about Miami deciphering audibles:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2696227

Wow! Really, WOW!

Have you ever played competitve sports at all (if you did you would see how wrong the pats behavior is)? Do you even watch football?

The rules are in place to prevent an advantage. The pats broke the rules, REPEATEDLY, AND WARNED ABOUT ITthey are cheaters, they cheated. How can one see this any other way?

thank you, at least ONE other person sees it the same way, i am soo sick of patriot apologists. trying to claim they know better than the NFL what does or does not constitute cheating and what does or does not give a team an advantage.

so, according to our amazingly brilliant poster, belicheck had this guy break the rules of the NFL for NO GOOD REASON whatsoever. belicheck must be the stupidest head coach ever then.

According to the Zealot fans they have and all the sports "analysts" he's a "genius". I was never convinced he was before and now I know why.

The NFL needs to figure out something more then cutting draft picks. the Pats are stacked with plenty of low-life cheaters already like crybaby Brady and bitchass Moss.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Tommouse
Ok I guess I don't see the big deal. Miami deciphered the Pats audibles, and took advantage of it. They studied tape, the Pats were just gathering more tape. Against the rules, yes, but there are many rules and laws we don't follow as they are lame. This is not classified information, say they just had someone who was phenomenal at remembering things, and he could record them. Would that be against the rules to, doubt it. Seems to just be the medium of gathering information.

The next part would be, did it affect the game? The answer would be no. The Jets were decimated, so even if somehow it was usable they Pats still were the better team. I stress the somehow because as I understand it is very hard to decipher these signals, especially hard on the fly. Your next argument would be that at the half they had the time. The Pats were up by a touchdown already and their defense was showing no signs of weakness. Add in the kickoff return and you now have 21 points, that enough would have beat them.

So in summary, it's a stupid rule and the Jets were going to lose anyways.

Link to a story about Miami deciphering audibles:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2696227

Wow! Really, WOW!

Have you ever played competitve sports at all (if you did you would see how wrong the pats behavior is)? Do you even watch football?

The rules are in place to prevent an advantage. The pats broke the rules, REPEATEDLY, AND WARNED ABOUT ITthey are cheaters, they cheated. How can one see this any other way?

thank you, at least ONE other person sees it the same way, i am soo sick of patriot apologists. trying to claim they know better than the NFL what does or does not constitute cheating and what does or does not give a team an advantage.

so, according to our amazingly brilliant poster, belicheck had this guy break the rules of the NFL for NO GOOD REASON whatsoever. belicheck must be the stupidest head coach ever then.

According to the Zealot fans they have and all the sports "analysts" he's a "genius". I was never convinced he was before and now I know why.

The NFL needs to figure out something more then cutting draft picks. the Pats are stacked with plenty of low-life cheaters already like crybaby Brady and bitchass Moss.

How is Brady a low-life cheater? This doesn't even involve him. Plus, it's unclear how long this has been going on or what impact it actually had on the outcome of games... granted, it has tainted a lot.

 

[Tommouse]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Tommouse
Ok I guess I don't see the big deal. Miami deciphered the Pats audibles, and took advantage of it. They studied tape, the Pats were just gathering more tape. Against the rules, yes, but there are many rules and laws we don't follow as they are lame. This is not classified information, say they just had someone who was phenomenal at remembering things, and he could record them. Would that be against the rules to, doubt it. Seems to just be the medium of gathering information.

The next part would be, did it affect the game? The answer would be no. The Jets were decimated, so even if somehow it was usable they Pats still were the better team. I stress the somehow because as I understand it is very hard to decipher these signals, especially hard on the fly. Your next argument would be that at the half they had the time. The Pats were up by a touchdown already and their defense was showing no signs of weakness. Add in the kickoff return and you now have 21 points, that enough would have beat them.

So in summary, it's a stupid rule and the Jets were going to lose anyways.

Link to a story about Miami deciphering audibles:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2696227

Wow! Really, WOW!

Have you ever played competitve sports at all (if you did you would see how wrong the pats behavior is)? Do you even watch football?

The rules are in place to prevent an advantage. The pats broke the rules, REPEATEDLY, AND WARNED ABOUT ITthey are cheaters, they cheated. How can one see this any other way?

thank you, at least ONE other person sees it the same way, i am soo sick of patriot apologists. trying to claim they know better than the NFL what does or does not constitute cheating and what does or does not give a team an advantage.

so, according to our amazingly brilliant poster, belicheck had this guy break the rules of the NFL for NO GOOD REASON whatsoever. belicheck must be the stupidest head coach ever then.

According to the Zealot fans they have and all the sports "analysts" he's a "genius". I was never convinced he was before and now I know why.

The NFL needs to figure out something more then cutting draft picks. the Pats are stacked with plenty of low-life cheaters already like crybaby Brady and bitchass Moss.

I didn't say they didn't cheat, as they have. I brought up the point that the rule is stupid, and that the Jets were going to lose anyways. As they did cheat they deserve to be punished, I'm not saying they should be let off. I'm just surprised people are ready to keelhaul them.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

According to the Zealot fans they have and all the sports "analysts" he's a "genius". I was never convinced he was before and now I know why.

The NFL needs to figure out something more then cutting draft picks. the Pats are stacked with plenty of low-life cheaters already like crybaby Brady and bitchass Moss.

While I can understand rooting for you team, I have played competitive sports. Surely not on this level, but sport is sport. You WILL make every attempt to win, you WILL constantly hit the weakest link. You will use every thing you have to win, within the rules of the game

Because if you win by breaking the rules, it isn't a win IMHO. Anybody who has played competively understands this.

Judgement calls on the field are one thing, flat out cheating and information gathering are completely different. Can you imagine what you could do with information that indicate how the defense is lining up????

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

According to the Zealot fans they have and all the sports "analysts" he's a "genius". I was never convinced he was before and now I know why.

The NFL needs to figure out something more then cutting draft picks. the Pats are stacked with plenty of low-life cheaters already like crybaby Brady and bitchass Moss.

While I can understand rooting for you team, I have played competitive sports. Surely not on this level, but sport is sport. You WILL make every attempt to win, you WILL constantly hit the weakest link. You will use every thing you have to win, within the rules of the game

Because if you win by breaking the rules, it isn't a win IMHO. Anybody who has played competively understands this.

Judgement calls on the field are one thing, flat out cheating and information gathering are completely different. Can you imagine what you could do with information that indicate how the defense is lining up????

Just FYI, Peter King said the Colts are known to do the same thing the Pats were caught doing Spidey Not that it makes what the Pats did okay, but we're all deluding ourselves if we don't believe this is happening all over the place.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Just FYI, Peter King said the Colts are known to do the same thing the Pats were caught doing Spidey Not that it makes what the Pats did okay, but we're all deluding ourselves if we don't believe this is happening all over the place.

I don't dispute that whatsoever (not that I follow it). It's part of the game - use every single advantage you can muster to win, as long as it's in bounds of the game.

Just like calls on the field can bend one way or the other depending on interpretation of the rules...it really is a difficult fence to sit on.

But really, as a die hard fan that you are, you have to choose your side. So make your choice, and "everybody else does it" is about as good as the famous Mom quote of "if everybody jumped off a bridge because they thought it was OK, would you?"

Me personally that would be a really hard choice. A very hard choice. If my colts did that there are two midsets - 1) way to out smart'em colts!!!!!!, 2) that's friggin' cheating!!!!

I will admit that I'm quite smug about these developments and it's difficult to seperate my dislike of the Pats and my love for the colts.

It's really tough to pull yourself away from that and look strictly at the game IMHO.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Hopefully Bill will get suspended for a while.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

According to the Zealot fans they have and all the sports "analysts" he's a "genius". I was never convinced he was before and now I know why.

The NFL needs to figure out something more then cutting draft picks. the Pats are stacked with plenty of low-life cheaters already like crybaby Brady and bitchass Moss.

While I can understand rooting for you team, I have played competitive sports. Surely not on this level, but sport is sport. You WILL make every attempt to win, you WILL constantly hit the weakest link. You will use every thing you have to win, within the rules of the game

Because if you win by breaking the rules, it isn't a win IMHO. Anybody who has played competively understands this.

Judgement calls on the field are one thing, flat out cheating and information gathering are completely different. Can you imagine what you could do with information that indicate how the defense is lining up????

Just FYI, Peter King said the Colts are known to do the same thing the Pats were caught doing Spidey Not that it makes what the Pats did okay, but we're all deluding ourselves if we don't believe this is happening all over the place.

hehehehe, pats fan right.

ya, obviously a reporter alleging that another team is cheating is exactly the same thing as getting caught red handed.

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

According to the Zealot fans they have and all the sports "analysts" he's a "genius". I was never convinced he was before and now I know why.

The NFL needs to figure out something more then cutting draft picks. the Pats are stacked with plenty of low-life cheaters already like crybaby Brady and bitchass Moss.

While I can understand rooting for you team, I have played competitive sports. Surely not on this level, but sport is sport. You WILL make every attempt to win, you WILL constantly hit the weakest link. You will use every thing you have to win, within the rules of the game

Because if you win by breaking the rules, it isn't a win IMHO. Anybody who has played competively understands this.

Judgement calls on the field are one thing, flat out cheating and information gathering are completely different. Can you imagine what you could do with information that indicate how the defense is lining up????

Just FYI, Peter King said the Colts are known to do the same thing the Pats were caught doing Spidey Not that it makes what the Pats did okay, but we're all deluding ourselves if we don't believe this is happening all over the place.

hehehehe, pats fan right.

ya, obviously a reporter alleging that another team is cheating is exactly the same thing as getting caught red handed.

Hey, it's not like I expect the Pats to get away with this. Take the 2nd rounder or whatever from us (as long as it isn't a first) and let's move on. I was just trying to make a point that the Pats aren't alone in stuff like this.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Tommouse
Ok I guess I don't see the big deal. Miami deciphered the Pats audibles, and took advantage of it. They studied tape, the Pats were just gathering more tape. Against the rules, yes, but there are many rules and laws we don't follow as they are lame. This is not classified information, say they just had someone who was phenomenal at remembering things, and he could record them. Would that be against the rules to, doubt it. Seems to just be the medium of gathering information.

The next part would be, did it affect the game? The answer would be no. The Jets were decimated, so even if somehow it was usable they Pats still were the better team. I stress the somehow because as I understand it is very hard to decipher these signals, especially hard on the fly. Your next argument would be that at the half they had the time. The Pats were up by a touchdown already and their defense was showing no signs of weakness. Add in the kickoff return and you now have 21 points, that enough would have beat them.

So in summary, it's a stupid rule and the Jets were going to lose anyways.

Link to a story about Miami deciphering audibles:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2696227

Wow! Really, WOW!

Have you ever played competitve sports at all (if you did you would see how wrong the pats behavior is)? Do you even watch football?

The rules are in place to prevent an advantage. The pats broke the rules, REPEATEDLY, AND WARNED ABOUT ITthey are cheaters, they cheated. How can one see this any other way?

thank you, at least ONE other person sees it the same way, i am soo sick of patriot apologists. trying to claim they know better than the NFL what does or does not constitute cheating and what does or does not give a team an advantage.

so, according to our amazingly brilliant poster, belicheck had this guy break the rules of the NFL for NO GOOD REASON whatsoever. belicheck must be the stupidest head coach ever then.

According to the Zealot fans they have and all the sports "analysts" he's a "genius". I was never convinced he was before and now I know why.

The NFL needs to figure out something more then cutting draft picks. the Pats are stacked with plenty of low-life cheaters already like crybaby Brady and bitchass Moss.

Sorry but your the crybaby and the bitch.

 

[Reckoner]

The Patriots should've just bought the tapes from a freelance cameraman


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[JRich]

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[JRich]

Edit: Double post.

 

[Tommouse]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
The Patriots should've just bought the tapes from a freelance cameraman


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Nice find on that story*cough*cough*

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: JRich
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I agree completely.

asterisk.

*championships and playoff record are subject to the rules of the NFL and the penalties for the abuse thereof. This statistic is not factual and is only recorded for historical record of action. These statistics do not take into account proven cheating by the New England Patriots as goverend by the National Football League. The NFL does not recognize the New England Patriots and thefore any statistic by said Patriots organization is not officially recognized by the NFL. Cheaters will NOT be tolerated.

 

[Mallow]

I'm sure they'll probably loose a draft pick or something... definitely worth any help they got in winning some superbowls!

 

[herkulease]

whether you think its cheating or not.

why did they even bother to tape to the JETS of all teams.

Seriously. If you gonna trying to gather another team's signal do it against top tier teams, not bum teams. If not you're just wasting tape and battery. which in some way leads to global warming and thus you can blame Bush for it.

As for the fins story from a few years back, I don't find that cheating. I would think plenty of players record other games to watch on their own time. I'm not sure how tape viewing sessions work but I doubt all 51 players(minus punter/kicker) get personal tapes to watch on their own. I'm sure the bigger star would likely get priority in the tapes to view.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
The Patriots should've just bought the tapes from a freelance cameraman


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Hey, you've got the number one techique of P&N down - the "he did it first" defense. It is also employed by 5 year olds to a great degree

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: herkulease
whether you think its cheating or not.

why did they even bother to tape to the JETS of all teams.

Seriously. If you gonna trying to gather another team's signal do it against top tier teams, not bum teams. If not you're just wasting tape and battery. which in some way leads to global warming and thus you can blame Bush for it.

As for the fins story from a few years back, I don't find that cheating. I would think plenty of players record other games to watch on their own time. I'm not sure how tape viewing sessions work but I doubt all 51 players(minus punter/kicker) get personal tapes to watch on their own. I'm sure the bigger star would likely get priority in the tapes to view.

they probably do it to everyone.

 

[srp49ers]

Going back to all those games where it seemed like the pats were calling all the right plays and keeping the defense off balance. Picking up the blitz perfectly, and knowing exactly where the one-on-one coverage is gonna be.

Puts it all into perspective, doesn't it.

I think this is worse than a single player getting caught for steroids, it like a whole team on steroids. being able to know without a doubt what defensive play the other team is calling, gives you a huge advantage. Combine that with an already talented team, makes you almost unstoppable.

There is no place for this in the NFL, and if other teams are doing this.
An example needs to be made, or this will never end.

 

[mooglemania85]

Originally posted by: srp49ers

There is no place for this in the NFL, and if other teams are doing this.
An example needs to be made, or this will never end.

Agreed. Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria.

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
This team has been getting more and more dirty by the year. Moss fits perfect on this squad of dirtballs and that prick of a coach.

I'm so glad the Bronco's stopped that 3 peat from happening.

Yea, with help from the "chop" block that is taught to denver Offensive lineman.
Oh and don't forget Bill Romanoski the dirtiest player alive. The Pats got caught
plain and simple and should pay the price but please do not describe your team
as "above" cheating if they think they can get away with it, they will. Example,
in last years AFC championship game it was public information that several of
the Pats starters were battling the flu. So what did the Colts management do?
jack up the dome to 85 deg. and dehydrate. Perfectly legal but downlow tactic.