Pats = cheaters? Confirmed

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: jman19
I had a feeling the biggest Pats fluffer would be out appologizing for cheating. You see the same phenomenon with Bonds homers.

:roll: It's not proven yet and you have to be the most naive person in the world if you think any other team (including your squeelers) don't have scouts at games trying to pick up calls. This is a nonissue.

I wonder how many times you've called me a Steelers fan, even though I keep saying I'm not That's besides the point anyway. Enough diversion, please

I assume anyone from pissburgh to be a squeeler fan

I'm not from Pittsburgh either :laugh:

Well, your profile says you're from pissburgh. In any case, you're dorky like a regular pissburhg fan, so lets just pretend you are

More stupid assumptions - keep it up

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: jman19
I had a feeling the biggest Pats fluffer would be out appologizing for cheating. You see the same phenomenon with Bonds homers.

:roll: It's not proven yet and you have to be the most naive person in the world if you think any other team (including your squeelers) don't have scouts at games trying to pick up calls. This is a nonissue.

lol... just like in baseball where almost everyone used steriods. So then its ok if Barry used steroids too? Oh wait... your posts say otherwise.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: jman19
I had a feeling the biggest Pats fluffer would be out appologizing for cheating. You see the same phenomenon with Bonds homers.

:roll: It's not proven yet and you have to be the most naive person in the world if you think any other team (including your squeelers) don't have scouts at games trying to pick up calls. This is a nonissue.

lol... just like in baseball where almost everyone used steriods. So then its ok if Barry used steroids too? Oh wait... your posts say otherwise.

No, it's more like in baseball where everyone steals signals and nobody cares. I mean, HOW DARE they try to decipher their hand signals which is out in the open!?!?! This is an outrage!

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: blakeatwork
I don't know much about the NFL, but could the league not overturn the result, and instead award the win to New York?

Assuming of course, they can ascertain guilt..

no they will nto overturn it. it was not a close game it was a blowout. tthem knowing the calls really had very little to do with that.

but if they have enough truth the pats should get nailed.

Nailed for what? Videotaping something that is publicly viewable? Honestly, that's pretty ridiculous. If they broke the rules, write them a letter, tell them not to do it again and then go out and bust every other team for doing the same thing.

What is the NFL going to do? Suspend coaches? Change the outcome of the game? Come on, the Pats were going to beat the Jets regardless of whatever this videotaping thing was. There is little chance any of this data could have been used 'live' anyway.

What should have been a quiet little slap on the wrist is now going to get blown up into "OMFG PATS CH3ATERS?!?!?! WHAT ABOUT PAST THREE SUPERBOWLS?!!!!" Give me a break. Fine them, whatever, but let's not make this into a bigger deal than it is.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: blakeatwork
I don't know much about the NFL, but could the league not overturn the result, and instead award the win to New York?

Assuming of course, they can ascertain guilt..

no they will nto overturn it. it was not a close game it was a blowout. tthem knowing the calls really had very little to do with that.

but if they have enough truth the pats should get nailed.

Nailed for what? Videotaping something that is publicly viewable? Honestly, that's pretty ridiculous. If they broke the rules, write them a letter, tell them not to do it again and then go out and bust every other team for doing the same thing.

What is the NFL going to do? Suspend coaches? Change the outcome of the game? Come on, the Pats were going to beat the Jets regardless of whatever this videotaping thing was. There is little chance any of this data could have been used 'live' anyway.

What should have been a quiet little slap on the wrist is now going to get blown up into "OMFG PATS CH3ATERS?!?!?! WHAT ABOUT PAST THREE SUPERBOWLS?!!!!" Give me a break. Fine them, whatever, but let's not make this into a bigger deal than it is.

if there is proof the pats were cheating then yes they have to do something. same as if they caught any other team.

what? suspending the coach is worthless. maybe takeing away some salery cap room or a draft pic.

it does not matter that others do it. they get caught they should get nailed also.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: jman19
I had a feeling the biggest Pats fluffer would be out appologizing for cheating. You see the same phenomenon with Bonds homers.

:roll: It's not proven yet and you have to be the most naive person in the world if you think any other team (including your squeelers) don't have scouts at games trying to pick up calls. This is a nonissue.

lol... just like in baseball where almost everyone used steriods. So then its ok if Barry used steroids too? Oh wait... your posts say otherwise.

No, it's more like in baseball where everyone steals signals and nobody cares. I mean, HOW DARE they try to decipher their hand signals which is out in the open!?!?! This is an outrage!

of course if its in the open then go for it. they were useing a camera to capture it. that is whats against the rules.

if they have someone watching then fine. but i do think the camera on there side of the field is cheating.

 

[torpid]

Isn't it a violation of copyright too?

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: blakeatwork
I don't know much about the NFL, but could the league not overturn the result, and instead award the win to New York?

Assuming of course, they can ascertain guilt..

no they will nto overturn it. it was not a close game it was a blowout. tthem knowing the calls really had very little to do with that.

but if they have enough truth the pats should get nailed.

Nailed for what? Videotaping something that is publicly viewable? Honestly, that's pretty ridiculous. If they broke the rules, write them a letter, tell them not to do it again and then go out and bust every other team for doing the same thing.

What is the NFL going to do? Suspend coaches? Change the outcome of the game? Come on, the Pats were going to beat the Jets regardless of whatever this videotaping thing was. There is little chance any of this data could have been used 'live' anyway.

What should have been a quiet little slap on the wrist is now going to get blown up into "OMFG PATS CH3ATERS?!?!?! WHAT ABOUT PAST THREE SUPERBOWLS?!!!!" Give me a break. Fine them, whatever, but let's not make this into a bigger deal than it is.

if there is proof the pats were cheating then yes they have to do something. same as if they caught any other team.

what? suspending the coach is worthless. maybe takeing away some salery cap room or a draft pic.

it does not matter that others do it. they get caught they should get nailed also.

I don't understand how videotaping the coaches signaling is illegal. I could do it with my hand-held camera. Shit, I can WATCH them signal from across the field If I'm a coach. This makes zero sense to me and it seems like everyone is trying to make a big deal out of what amounts to basically nothing.

Seriously, what good do videotapes of a game do you during the game? After the game maybe it helps figure out what the opponents calls are for certain plays or something, but that information is also available via broadcast tapes of the game.

 

[jjones]

OMG, they should be stripped of their titles and kicked out of the league.

 

[spidey07]

That's really serious. Hope they throw the hammer down on them.

Any information they gathered could severely impact the game. Something as simple as if the linebackers are going to rush or not would be HUGE.

 

[ballmode]

GO COLTS

F the PATS!!!!

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: spidey07
That's really serious. Hope they throw the hammer down on them.

Any information they gathered could severely impact the game. Something as simple as if the linebackers are going to rush or not would be HUGE.

This guy had a video camera. He was recording. No way this information could have been used live.

0 impact on current game. Maybe minor impact on future game.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: blakeatwork
I don't know much about the NFL, but could the league not overturn the result, and instead award the win to New York?

Assuming of course, they can ascertain guilt..

no they will nto overturn it. it was not a close game it was a blowout. tthem knowing the calls really had very little to do with that.

but if they have enough truth the pats should get nailed.

Nailed for what? Videotaping something that is publicly viewable? Honestly, that's pretty ridiculous. If they broke the rules, write them a letter, tell them not to do it again and then go out and bust every other team for doing the same thing.

What is the NFL going to do? Suspend coaches? Change the outcome of the game? Come on, the Pats were going to beat the Jets regardless of whatever this videotaping thing was. There is little chance any of this data could have been used 'live' anyway.

What should have been a quiet little slap on the wrist is now going to get blown up into "OMFG PATS CH3ATERS?!?!?! WHAT ABOUT PAST THREE SUPERBOWLS?!!!!" Give me a break. Fine them, whatever, but let's not make this into a bigger deal than it is.

if there is proof the pats were cheating then yes they have to do something. same as if they caught any other team.

what? suspending the coach is worthless. maybe takeing away some salery cap room or a draft pic.

it does not matter that others do it. they get caught they should get nailed also.

I don't understand how videotaping the coaches signaling is illegal. I could do it with my hand-held camera. Shit, I can WATCH them signal from across the field If I'm a coach. This makes zero sense to me and it seems like everyone is trying to make a big deal out of what amounts to basically nothing.

Seriously, what good do videotapes of a game do you during the game? After the game maybe it helps figure out what the opponents calls are for certain plays or something, but that information is also available via broadcast tapes of the game.

the information for every play IS NOT available via bradcast.

you tape them (without them knowing) study what signlels are for what play. next time you play you know what they are doing and stomp them.

IF you can do it during the game by spying and writing it down then good for you.

I think video tapeing it is cheating.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: blakeatwork
I don't know much about the NFL, but could the league not overturn the result, and instead award the win to New York?

Assuming of course, they can ascertain guilt..

no they will nto overturn it. it was not a close game it was a blowout. tthem knowing the calls really had very little to do with that.

but if they have enough truth the pats should get nailed.

Nailed for what? Videotaping something that is publicly viewable? Honestly, that's pretty ridiculous. If they broke the rules, write them a letter, tell them not to do it again and then go out and bust every other team for doing the same thing.

What is the NFL going to do? Suspend coaches? Change the outcome of the game? Come on, the Pats were going to beat the Jets regardless of whatever this videotaping thing was. There is little chance any of this data could have been used 'live' anyway.

What should have been a quiet little slap on the wrist is now going to get blown up into "OMFG PATS CH3ATERS?!?!?! WHAT ABOUT PAST THREE SUPERBOWLS?!!!!" Give me a break. Fine them, whatever, but let's not make this into a bigger deal than it is.

if there is proof the pats were cheating then yes they have to do something. same as if they caught any other team.

what? suspending the coach is worthless. maybe takeing away some salery cap room or a draft pic.

it does not matter that others do it. they get caught they should get nailed also.

I don't understand how videotaping the coaches signaling is illegal. I could do it with my hand-held camera. Shit, I can WATCH them signal from across the field If I'm a coach. This makes zero sense to me and it seems like everyone is trying to make a big deal out of what amounts to basically nothing.

Seriously, what good do videotapes of a game do you during the game? After the game maybe it helps figure out what the opponents calls are for certain plays or something, but that information is also available via broadcast tapes of the game.

the information for every play IS NOT available via bradcast.

you tape them (without them knowing) study what signlels are for what play. next time you play you know what they are doing and stomp them.

IF you can do it during the game by spying and writing it down then good for you.

I think video tapeing it is cheating.

I still hold to the statement that this had no impact on the current game, and a minimal impact on future games with the jets (0 impact now that the tapes are confiscated). Plus, aren't almost all plays radioed in at this point anyway?

Look, it doesn't look like taping these sorts of things is legal in the NFL. I'm not arguing that, what I am arguing is that this is being blown way out of proportion because it was the Pats.

 

[PepePeru]

i seem to remember that NFL teams would (still do) take pictures of the defensive formations, from behind the defense (they have a guy behind the endzone) and use those photos for finding teams' tendencies, etc etc.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: G Wizard
i seem to remember that NFL teams would (still do) take pictures of the defensive formations, from behind the defense (they have a guy behind the endzone) and use those photos for finding teams' tendencies, etc etc.

yeap they all do that. thats not what is going on.

they are video tapeing the hand jestures and calls.

 

[Homerboy]

Along the same lines I noticed many teams yesterday still looking at black adn white stills on the sidelines. B&W stills? how do they not have the ability to have streaming video sent to laptops and pads of the previous play with a coaches clicker to go through it? B&W stills seems pretty archaic still.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: blakeatwork
I don't know much about the NFL, but could the league not overturn the result, and instead award the win to New York?

Assuming of course, they can ascertain guilt..

no they will nto overturn it. it was not a close game it was a blowout. tthem knowing the calls really had very little to do with that.

but if they have enough truth the pats should get nailed.

Nailed for what? Videotaping something that is publicly viewable? Honestly, that's pretty ridiculous. If they broke the rules, write them a letter, tell them not to do it again and then go out and bust every other team for doing the same thing.

What is the NFL going to do? Suspend coaches? Change the outcome of the game? Come on, the Pats were going to beat the Jets regardless of whatever this videotaping thing was. There is little chance any of this data could have been used 'live' anyway.

What should have been a quiet little slap on the wrist is now going to get blown up into "OMFG PATS CH3ATERS?!?!?! WHAT ABOUT PAST THREE SUPERBOWLS?!!!!" Give me a break. Fine them, whatever, but let's not make this into a bigger deal than it is.

if there is proof the pats were cheating then yes they have to do something. same as if they caught any other team.

what? suspending the coach is worthless. maybe takeing away some salery cap room or a draft pic.

it does not matter that others do it. they get caught they should get nailed also.

I don't understand how videotaping the coaches signaling is illegal. I could do it with my hand-held camera. Shit, I can WATCH them signal from across the field If I'm a coach. This makes zero sense to me and it seems like everyone is trying to make a big deal out of what amounts to basically nothing.

Seriously, what good do videotapes of a game do you during the game? After the game maybe it helps figure out what the opponents calls are for certain plays or something, but that information is also available via broadcast tapes of the game.

The spiking rule is pretty ridiculous as well, but it is a rule. If it is against the rules to use a camera, no amount of justification is going to make breaking those rules "ok". Sure, you can watch and record it in your memory, but if using a camera is against the rules then that is that, no matter how lame you think that might be.

 

[Ackmed]

Guess the camera man took the second half off during the Colts game last year. Cause they got owned.

 

[BeauJangles]

nm

 

[GrantMeThePower]

Confirmed...Commissioner Goodell determines they did in fact cheat

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3014677

 

[iRONic]

"Goodell is considering severe sanctions, including the possibility of docking the Patriots "multiple draft picks" because it is the competitive violation in the wake of a stern warning to all teams since he became commissioner, the sources said. The Patriots have been suspected in previous incidents."

Rut roh...

 

[PlatinumGold]

belichek getting desparate to beat his old pupils huh.

and to those that posted that it couldn't be that big an advantage or that teams have been stealing signs for years. :roll: the patriots broke the rules and they CHEATED.

hence, the 2007 and mb more, patriots are CHEATERS.

 

[KLin]

Patriots = screwed for the future

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: KLin
Patriots = screwed for the future

Can we start calling it the cheating dynasty yet? Or is it too soon.

Nah, the cheating dynasty it is!