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smackababy

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Jax, your first character is almost always garbage. I have pretty much accepted that with Homer. >_> He is still on his first real build. He will hit a wall and learn some more and reroll.
 

Homerboy

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LOL trust me I'm not insulted. I've been playing for maybe less than a month.

I had no problem with Normal (its vritually impossible to have issues as you said)
I was having no problems with cruel until last night -- granted I was running with a mob of 4+ people who all seemed to have incredible builds. I was getting 1-2 hit killed in dried lake. I'd NEVER experienced something like that before with any of my chars. I definitely do not focus enough on defense in any of my characters.

I try to link gems properly, but can never seem to find the right equipment (colors, # of sockets and/or links) to do what I need them to do.

As I said, I just don't think I have enough time into the game yet to come up with the amount of uniques and currency (hell, I barely save the currency!) to start building proper characters. I only have 1 tab of uniques that isn't even filled yet. And most suck!

I'm learning here though, and I think step 1 is to (*gulp*) by more stash tabs and start hording currency and items. Not sure if I need to start a new character, and for that matter, which character type I should build. That's the hardest part!!! Maybe I will go back to my marauder... he's been very tough, just not fun to play.

anytime you guys want to party up, I will be more than game :)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*** HOWEVER I GET ALL THE GOOD DROPS ***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Homerboy

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Jax, your first character is almost always garbage. I have pretty much accepted that with Homer. >_> He is still on his first real build. He will hit a wall and learn some more and reroll.

Yeah -- my witch is really my first attempt at a "real build" the rest were just "lets play a new character type and see what makes them special". I know I failed with my witch.... which is disappointing.
 

smackababy

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Homer, you may be dying to two things in Dried Lake. Some of the ranged mobs (the big, piled up looking guys, I believe) use Puncture and that does a good amount of damage when moving. The snakes also do chaos damage, which is generally the lowest resist anyone has. Having -60% chaos resist or whatever it is in Cruel, means you take a good amount of damage from it.

Also, if you are going to support the game, buying stash tabs is always a great way to go. I think I buy premium stash tabs any time they are on sale (which happens like very two weeks, on the weekend, I believe). So, if you don't want to spend a ton of money, just tough it out a bit until the weekend. =)
 

Jax Omen

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Jax, your first character is almost always garbage. I have pretty much accepted that with Homer. >_> He is still on his first real build. He will hit a wall and learn some more and reroll.

Oh, I know. My first character was a templar who couldn't survive 2 hits in cruel and also did next-to-no damage (like 500dps or something terrible).

Just throwing some knowledge bombs at him, if even one sticks it might save him a character reroll overall :p



ALSO, you do NOT have to buy stash tabs! They're super nice/convenient, absolutely, but there's no real reason to horde tons of (mostly crappy) uniques. You can use 1 tab for currency and the other three for whatever genuinely good items you may find, and just vendor everything, when you're just starting out.

Eventually you may want more than 1 currency tab, to stock up on the good ones like chromatics, fuses, alts, etc.
 
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Homerboy

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Homer, you may be dying to two things in Dried Lake. Some of the ranged mobs (the big, piled up looking guys, I believe) use Puncture and that does a good amount of damage when moving. The snakes also do chaos damage, which is generally the lowest resist anyone has. Having -60% chaos resist or whatever it is in Cruel, means you take a good amount of damage from it.

Also, if you are going to support the game, buying stash tabs is always a great way to go. I think I buy premium stash tabs any time they are on sale (which happens like very two weeks, on the weekend, I believe). So, if you don't want to spend a ton of money, just tough it out a bit until the weekend. =)

Yeah $20 for stash/premium tabs right now. That's a cheap investment for a free game I figure.

Speaking of their pricing, it just seems off... I would do WAY too many $2 purchases for stupid stuff, but dropping $20 at time just isn't going to happen for some cool effect on my sword. But I'd but 20 dumb things over 2 months at $2 a pop. So instead of getting $40 from me, they get $0. Just seems wrong.
 

smackababy

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Yeah, some of their micro transactions are a bit overpriced, but they seem to be selling. Most of the skill effects aren't great, except for the spectral throw one. The armor effects are probably the best "value" when you buy the set, as it really transforms you character, but I totally understand people not wanting to spend the money on them. Honestly, I wouldn't have so many of the micro transactions if they didn't include a ton of points in the support packs.

Also, you don't really need stash tabs anymore. They removed the need to "collect" skill gems, as you can buy them from vendors. A single currency stash tab is fine when starting out, until you get enough currency to fill it up (or are like me and just super OCD). And, you really won't find a ton of sellable stuff in Standard*.

*The Standard economy is rather item inflated. There are so many good items, only the "best" really sell well. People aren't really interested in low-mid tier items, as there are just so many mid-high tier items available for cheap, a few extra chaos is worth farming to get them.

Also, if you want to start selling stuff, Procurement is the way to go. It is a program that will update your shop thread properly to have it indexed on poe.trade and will show when you're online.
 
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Homerboy

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Yeah, some of their micro transactions are a bit overpriced, but they seem to be selling. Most of the skill effects aren't great, except for the spectral throw one. The armor effects are probably the best "value" when you buy the set, as it really transforms you character, but I totally understand people not wanting to spend the money on them. Honestly, I wouldn't have so many of the micro transactions if they didn't include a ton of points in the support packs.

Also, you don't really need stash tabs anymore. They removed the need to "collect" skill gems, as you can buy them from vendors. A single currency stash tab is fine when starting out, until you get enough currency to fill it up (or are like me and just super OCD). And, you really won't find a ton of sellable stuff in Standard*.

*The Standard economy is rather item inflated. There are so many good items, only the "best" really sell well. People aren't really interested in low-mid tier items, as there are just so many mid-high tier items available for cheap, a few extra chaos is worth farming to get them.

Also, if you want to start selling stuff, Procurement is the way to go. It is a program that will update your shop thread properly to have it indexed on poe.trade and will show when you're online.

I don't want to sell things to make "money". I just stockpile things for the next character. "Ohhhh that's a good bow for a starter ranger!!! gotta keep it" Same with the gems. I just like 1 of everything. I wish there was a way to de-dupe gems though. I just want to highlight any duplicates and dump them
 

smackababy

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You can find "dupes", but it is a bit cumbersome. You can type in the name and it will highlight all of those gems.
 

Homerboy

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You can find "dupes", but it is a bit cumbersome. You can type in the name and it will highlight all of those gems.

That's exactly what I have been doing. Or just typing in a key word "Minions" and then visually just seeing which are dupes. Cuts the tediousness down somewhat.



You guys have a suggest for a good/easy builds that are "cheap"? They don't have to be the greatest build of all time. Just something to get me to end game without investing half my life into the game :)
 

Jax Omen

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Unless the gem has quality or is drop-only (see this list: http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/List_of_drop-only_gems), there is no reason to keep it.

Also if you ever do want to sell stuff, use Acquisition, not Procurement. Acquisition is MUCH simpler and is made by the poe.trade guy, he has a way to force your shop to show "online" on his site even if you aren't on the ladder (basically required on standard, very useful on other leagues anyway as the ladder method for "online" is iffy-at-best)
 

smackababy

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Unless the gem has quality or is drop-only (see this list: http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/List_of_drop-only_gems), there is no reason to keep it.

Also if you ever do want to sell stuff, use Acquisition, not Procurement. Acquisition is MUCH simpler and is made by the poe.trade guy, he has a way to force your shop to show "online" on his site even if you aren't on the ladder (basically required on standard, very useful on other leagues anyway as the ladder method for "online" is iffy-at-best)

Acquisition is better, I meant that.
 

smackababy

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Oh, and Homerboy, get ready for merciless. When you die, you lose 10% XP. It is literally worse than the Nazis when you die at like 90% XP at a high level. =(
 

XiandreX

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How is the game now compared to the original release?
I loved it but hit a major brick wall when I entered merciless.
The amount of damage dished out against you was very high and
my gear seemed to not keep up.
Especially the Chaos damage.

Any recommendations for class/builds now?
 

Homerboy

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This is pretty close to what I've been doing in leagues. SRS is cheap and easy and can scale very good after you get some currency. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1331574

The goal with a lot of builds is to get to farming Atziri (special endgame map, Apex of Sacrifice) to make currency and that is pretty much the "end game" we have right now.

Started in on this build last night with my Scion. Uggghhh the lower levels are sooooo slow! I have NO gear to use either.
 

Majes

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How is the game now compared to the original release?
I loved it but hit a major brick wall when I entered merciless.
The amount of damage dished out against you was very high and
my gear seemed to not keep up.
Especially the Chaos damage.

Any recommendations for class/builds now?

The game gives you a lot more options for dealing with Merciless now. It's still not easy, but it can be done with only a little trouble. I'm usually mapping the day after a league starts. Just use the passive tree to make sure your resists are close to cap and you should mow through content.

One thing a lot of people don't realize is that while physical attack builds scale off of your weapon, caster builds scale off the level of your gem. So if you're a caster and you hit a wall it's often best to go back to a farm-able area and level your gem. This generally provides you with enough of a DPS boost to crank through the next area.
 

Jax Omen

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The biggest thing smoothing the Cruel->Merciless curve now, relative to pre-2.0, is the fact that you level up a lot more before getting there.

You will now easily be 35-40 finishing normal, and around 60 finishing cruel. In 1.3, if you didn't grind, you'd be like 60-62 finishing MERCILESS.

The smoother level curve makes everything feel better, honestly.
 

Udgnim

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How is the game now compared to the original release?
I loved it but hit a major brick wall when I entered merciless.
The amount of damage dished out against you was very high and
my gear seemed to not keep up.
Especially the Chaos damage.

Any recommendations for class/builds now?

dual flame totem or incinerate don't have high gear reqs

get a +2 fire skill 1H and you'll be good with that for a while

poison arrow works well enough but you'll need to level up with something else (Split Arrow works well) up to late 50s / early 60s before switching to Poison Arrow

any melee build will be more gear dependent
 

Homerboy

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Flame totem is the OP leveling skill.

Yeah I gotta find one :) I'll have one of my other characters buy it.
Just been using Tendrils right now.
Heck I don't even have the SRS gem yet! :p

I need a 5 socket staff too for SRS.

Working on it.
 

XiandreX

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The game gives you a lot more options for dealing with Merciless now. It's still not easy, but it can be done with only a little trouble. I'm usually mapping the day after a league starts. Just use the passive tree to make sure your resists are close to cap and you should mow through content.

One thing a lot of people don't realize is that while physical attack builds scale off of your weapon, caster builds scale off the level of your gem. So if you're a caster and you hit a wall it's often best to go back to a farm-able area and level your gem. This generally provides you with enough of a DPS boost to crank through the next area.

I assume I have a free skill reset considering the changes in 2.0 right?
I have a level 67 Ranger and a level 52 Shadow.
Will a respect be suffice or start fresh?
Remember my gear is not good.

The biggest thing smoothing the Cruel->Merciless curve now, relative to pre-2.0, is the fact that you level up a lot more before getting there.

You will now easily be 35-40 finishing normal, and around 60 finishing cruel. In 1.3, if you didn't grind, you'd be like 60-62 finishing MERCILESS.

The smoother level curve makes everything feel better, honestly.

Problem is my 67 Ranger is far in Merciless and really struggled.
I can see how a fresh character would benefit but not sure if it would help my old toons.

dual flame totem or incinerate don't have high gear reqs

get a +2 fire skill 1H and you'll be good with that for a while

poison arrow works well enough but you'll need to level up with something else (Split Arrow works well) up to late 50s / early 60s before switching to Poison Arrow

any melee build will be more gear dependent

I do not mind starting a fresh character as I took a long break from the game.
I watched videos of Fire totem high level and it looks rather OP.
I would like to be able to enjoy Merciless without huge expense.
I do not mind grinding, but with the 10% death xp penatly I would prefer to not repeat my old experiences.

I need to go read up on the leveling builds/class suggestions