Parents transitioning their 3 year old boy

[cbrunny]

Your sense of moral superiority is all you need to express yourself and get that self gratified superior feeling, and the whole reason you are as you are. The notion that two parents may have arrived at a different moral conclusion than you have, despite the fact that they are the parents and according to conservatives, should always have that right, and despite the fact that they know much more about the context in which they arrived at the actions they take, having lived them, we are given to believe the blow hard opinion of a no nothing like yourself who has a mechanically generated opinionshould carry weight. All I see is your asshole showing.

I think the concern lies in the question about whether or not the parents' moral conclusion is in fact moral.

I have a very difficult time believing that anyone anywhere in the world has a strong enough understanding of gender issues to know for sure that the decision the parents made - or any person in any kind of gender questioning scenario could make - is right or wrong. We - all of us - don't have enough experience with this sort of thing to know for sure.

Given this, it is impossible to say their conclusion is the correct one in the sense that there is an absolute correct answer. There probably isn't one.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Your sense of moral superiority is all you need to express yourself and get that self gratified superior feeling, and the whole reason you are as you are. The notion that two parents may have arrived at a different moral conclusion than you have, despite the fact that they are the parents and according to conservatives, should always have that right, and despite the fact that they know much more about the context in which they arrived at the actions they take, having lived them, we are given to believe the blow hard opinion of a no nothing like yourself who has a mechanically generated opinionshould carry weight. All I see is your asshole showing.

Here's my asshole then. Take a good look at it. My tone has a shade of moral superiority to it BECAUSE it's morally superior. These parents are fucked up, and I'm clearly, and intentionally making a moral judgement.

 

[waggy]

Do you think that at age three there can appear signs of something odd you could recognize? It seems possible to me but I don't know.

no i don't. At age 3 my son was just as happy to claim to be a dog, frog, or monster as he was wanting to be a girl like his sister.

I don't think you can say that they are gay/trans until say 6-8. even then it would be pushing it. Though some kids it would be a easy thing to spot.

But 3? fuck no.

I think the concern lies in the question about whether or not the parents' moral conclusion is in fact moral.

I have a very difficult time believing that anyone anywhere in the world has a strong enough understanding of gender issues to know for sure that the decision the parents made - or any person in any kind of gender questioning scenario could make - is right or wrong. We - all of us - don't have enough experience with this sort of thing to know for sure.

Given this, it is impossible to say their conclusion is the correct one in the sense that there is an absolute correct answer. There probably isn't one.

True. Though After raising (and babysitting about 6 kids from 1-8) i have had experiance with 3 yr olds. I wouldn't make a lifelong decision on something that the kids does or says.

I would wait until it's more solid of a decision. the "what if" you are wrong and he/she is straight? I waiting to be sure is worth the risk.

 

[cbrunny]

Lets get crazy for a second, if I had a son that thought they shouldn't have hands and instead they should have hooks, and they believed this like a thousand percent, and it consumed their mental state and they would never be happy unless they had hooks for hands, would it be ok for me to cut off their hands and replace them with metal hooks?

No, of course not.

Naturally we know this is not a good thing. We know because it hurts when you get a paper cut and you use your fingers all the time. cutting off your hands and not having them would surely be worse than having metal hooks. It doesn't matter what the child believes. Society is set up to protect the child.

We don't know if the child really wants/needs to change genders or if they're idolizing or if there is some other thing at play. It simply isn't known and it simply isn't knowable right now.

 

[Subyman]

The boy wants to be an astronaut and a girl. I'm pretty sure those thoughts change a few hundred times before they are young adults.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

hell at even at 5-6 my son was wondering why girls got to were dresses and he had to wear pants. Pants suck. they are tight at all the wrong spots. a dress looks nice and loose. he also played with my daughters barbie dolls when she didnt. though granted they were usually in his tonka truck or fighting with the transformers.

I remember wearing a large sweater and just underwear underneath at the same age. Dad asks "Where in the hell are your pants?", I say "It's a dress!", he just says "You're not a girl, get some pants on". Mom got to wear dresses, why not me? :'( I think bullying would have discouraged me anyways, but I'm grateful that my parents didn't interpret that as me being transgender.

 

[Moonbeam]

Eh, I see his point. The parent is indulging what could be a fleeting or misdirected childish thought. That indulgence could lead to a much harder life for the child. Living as a well adjusted cisgendered person is much easier than someone with an identity crisis or a transgender person. Putting an end to it at a young, impressionable age sets them up for a much easier life. If the issue is reoccurring into the teen years then its time to really tackle it and help with the transition.

Practically every child has questions about their gender. Confusing the situation at age 3 is probably the worse way to go and saying you can pick and choose (at age 3...) is not a good way to go about it.

You have structured your argument so as to lead to a logical conclusion. I don't disagree with your logic, or his. I disagree with the your assumption of the applicability of your context in this case. I simply don't have the moral arrogance to condemn the decisions of these parents. It's not like I can't do that. I would condemn them is they refused to vaccinate the child, but I am arrogant enough to assume I have rational grounds for that. This is a far less clear cut situation unless you have the truthiness infection.

And I also understand you have the best of intentions. Knowing what's best, however, is not something I am terribly trusting that the preconceived notions of the CBD can deliver.

 

[cubby1223]

You have structured your argument so as to lead to a logical conclusion. I don't disagree with your logic, or his. I disagree with the your assumption of the applicability of your context in this case. I simply don't have the moral arrogance to condemn the decisions of these parents. It's not like I can't do that. I would condemn them is they refused to vaccinate the child, but I am arrogant enough to assume I have rational grounds for that. This is a far less clear cut situation unless you have the truthiness infection.

And I also understand you have the best of intentions. Knowing what's best, however, is not something I am terribly trusting that the preconceived notions of the CBD can deliver.

Do you masturbate to each of your posts? That's the perception you project. Just curious, it's easier to communicate the more we all understand one another, helping out the forum. It's okay either way, just helps us all to adjust accordingly.

 

[TechBoyJK]

You have structured your argument so as to lead to a logical conclusion. I don't disagree with your logic, or his. I disagree with the your assumption of the applicability of your context in this case. I simply don't have the moral arrogance to condemn the decisions of these parents. It's not like I can't do that. I would condemn them is they refused to vaccinate the child, but I am arrogant enough to assume I have rational grounds for that. This is a far less clear cut situation unless you have the truthiness infection.

And I also understand you have the best of intentions. Knowing what's best, however, is not something I am terribly trusting that the preconceived notions of the CBD can deliver.

It's child abuse via willful negligence, and I absolutely condemn them for it.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's child abuse via willful negligence, and I absolutely condemn them for it.

And as you judge so have you been judged, and you will never understand what that means or the price you paid for it.

 

[BD231]

Yeah, we are the psychotic ones. Look up David Reimer you tool.

Psychology is a soft science dominated by people who are fucked in the head and/or have a major agenda that cannot be checked by the scientific method. Why? Because in cases like this you cannot refer to some statistical analysis showing x causes y, or some proven theorem, or law. You rely on Dr. X's bullshit theories on how things should be and those are often driven by political or societal drives.

 

[ivwshane]

Do you masturbate to each of your posts? That's the perception you project. Just curious, it's easier to communicate the more we all understand one another, helping out the forum. It's okay either way, just helps us all to adjust accordingly.

I never think about moonbeam masturbating, I'm pretty sure that's just you.

 

[Moonbeam]

Do you masturbate to each of your posts? That's the perception you project. Just curious, it's easier to communicate the more we all understand one another, helping out the forum. It's okay either way, just helps us all to adjust accordingly.

Moral indignation can be so ugly. You must have been taught to hate yourself for self pleasuring. I'm sorry you were perverted and have to try to make others feel that way. You may have better sex if you get that problem treated instead of lusting in it because it's dirty.

 

[waggy]

I never think about moonbeam masturbating, I'm pretty sure that's just you.

ugh hell no. I picture moonie looking like something from duck dynasty. a old crusty bearded guy.

just..no. eww

 

[BD231]

Nobody can match chubby1223's understandings ... you understand me ? NOBODY.

 

[Moonbeam]

I never think about moonbeam masturbating, I'm pretty sure that's just you.

Probably lonely and likes to share.

 

[Moonbeam]

ugh hell no. I picture moonie looking like something from duck dynasty. a old crusty bearded guy.

just..no. eww

I look to most like my avatar. That's why it's there. Clowns see clowns everywhere.

 

[waggy]

I look to most like my avatar. That's why it's there. Clowns see clowns everywhere.

:hmm:

not sure i believe you. but it is believable.

 

[Jaskalas]

Let's put this crime to rest.

Why did the older sister have a dress in the first place?
Articles of clothing associated with gender are solely a social construct.

The boy fancied something his big sister had that made her standout.
If they never bought the sister a dress, the boy never would have wanted one. This whole concept never would have gotten started / never would have exited.

There's nothing natural about adults forcing social constructs in order to reassign their own children at a whim!

 

[EduCat]

LOL I remember wearing my sisters dress when I was a wee little guy. (It looked like a kilt, thats about all i remember of it. I remember acting like a dog. (??) However, I will never forget the day my friends mom asked me if her hair looked good. She was one of those that wore a bikini out in the backyard that was basically the same color as her skin. I never knew if she was nude, tho I always hoped for it. Never could grow out of milfs, lovem' to this day.

Those that are cool with this definitely need to put the pipe down. LOL (or tell me where ya got it!)

 

[ivwshane]

Let's put this crime to rest.

Why did the older sister have a dress in the first place?
Articles of clothing associated with gender are solely a social construct.

The boy fancied something his big sister had that made her standout.
If they never bought the sister a dress, the boy never would have wanted one. This whole concept never would have gotten started / never would have exited.

There's nothing natural about adults forcing social constructs in order to reassign their own children at a whim!

Who's forcing what now? You wouldn't happen to be talking out of your ass again now would you?

 

[ivwshane]

LOL I remember wearing my sisters dress when I was a wee little guy. (It looked like a kilt, thats about all i remember of it. I remember acting like a dog. (??) However, I will never forget the day my friends mom asked me if her hair looked good. She was one of those that wore a bikini out in the backyard that was basically the same color as her skin. I never knew if she was nude, tho I always hoped for it. Never could grow out of milfs, lovem' to this day.

Those that are cool with this definitely need to put the pipe down. LOL (or tell me where ya got it!)

So what you are saying is that when you put on the dress your parents scolded you and asked if you were some kind of lovely human? Or when you looked at your mom like you did you were scolded and told to stop being a pervert?

I'm just asking because in your personal story, it sure seemed like your parents were ok with your "odd" behavior and I can only assume that because they didn't scold you or put you down that you must be one fucked up individual. Just how many times have you tried to kill yourslef?

 

[LegendKiller]

Yeah?

 

[LegendKiller]

120%? This is a bigger problem than I thought!

Yeah, it is. I had typo, unfortunate, but you know the point.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Who's forcing what now? You wouldn't happen to be talking out of your ass again now would you?

I didn't realize you supported child abuse and sympathized with parents who committed it.