Parents transitioning their 3 year old boy

[Annisman*]

cubby: Do the parents have full comprehension?

M: But that's my point; I do not know.

C: Or did they take the current path of least resistance and now are stuck with it?

M: I do not know if they did or if they did does it mean they are stuck.

C: He's been set on a path that will alter the rest of his life.

M: I do not know that. All moments of everyone's past can't be changed.

C: Is it the right path? I don't know.

M: I also have no idea.

C: Is it a difficult path? That I do know.

M: Neither do I.

C: And it's a difficult path not from anything I have any authority over, so don't look at me here.

M: I never did. If you actually do not know then you are just like me.

The problem is here that you are correctly pointing out that nobody has any idea what is really going on in the kid's head but thank God that's why we have parents to help form us properly. It seems to me you'd like to take away all the decision making and leave it to the 4 year old child and that's just retarded.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yeah, we are the psychotic ones. Look up David Reimer you tool.

Psychology is a soft science dominated by people who are fucked in the head and/or have a major agenda that cannot be checked by the scientific method. Why? Because in cases like this you cannot refer to some statistical analysis showing x causes y, or some proven theorem, or law. You rely on Dr. X's bullshit theories on how things should be and those are often driven by political or societal drives.

May your life be filled with love.

 

[Annisman*]

For the record I never wore my sister's dressses, but I'm sure she conned me into wearing makeup at least once

 

[Jaskalas]

The younger child clearly sees a role model in the older sister.

The chance of this having anything to do with transgender is quite slim and is nothing more than a phase where a very young child wants to fantasize something they have no concept of.

That the parents are enabling this behavior is... troubling.
I'd say they are more responsible for shaping these thoughts than the child.

 

[Moonbeam]

The problem is here that you are correctly pointing out that nobody has any idea what is really going on in the kid's head but thank God that's why we have parents to help form us properly. It seems to me you'd like to take away all the decision making and leave it to the 4 year old child and that's just retarded.

You think you know this and I find that amazing. You tell yourself a story and it is a dream, the product 9f associations tied to emotions you do not know you have. The belief that you know things is a kind of insecurity. If you want to know something, don't know anything and everything will be clear. But it will hurt and I'm so sorry but there's no other way.

 

[woolfe9998]

When I saw the headline, I had a instant negative reaction, but then I read the article, and I'm not sure about this one. The parents were in a tough situation since the boy wanted to dress like a girl all the time. They can force him to wear boy's clothes and act like a boy, for... how long? Until he gets over it, or if he never gets over it, until he's 18? Or they can let him dress like a girl, in which case he better not have a boy's name when he starts kindergarten. The last thing they want is to have a gender confused kid being subject to ridicule in school.

I'm inclined to conclude that so long as surgery is off the table such that the child can change his/her mind in the future, they might have made the right decision.

 

[Moonbeam]

The younger child clearly sees a role model in the older sister.

The chance of this having anything to do with transgender is quite slim and is nothing more than a phase where a very young child wants to fantasize something they have no concept of.

That the parents are enabling this behavior is... troubling.
I'd say they are more responsible for shaping these thoughts than the child.

Ah, enablers, that's the key.......

 

[UglyCasanova]

You forget you're arguing with liberals, all they need to do is read the comments off of a Huffington Post article and they become the worlds expert on any subject.

It's nuts how different this forum is from the others I visit. I consider myself to have fairly progressive stances on things, but the posters here seem to be beyond reason. And I think it may do that it's a tech forum - and given that the posters are fairly intelligent - but I think this place is also made of akward social outcasts that have few friends, relationships,and certainly no kids.

I can tell the posters that do have family's, and they stand out as being more mature and thoughtful. It's not just this thread or topic either, but across the board I think that AT attracts social outcasts and it shows.

 

[Jaskalas]

Ah, enablers, that's the key.......

"Look I'm a burrito," Chloe shouts.​

I'm picturing Moonbeam standing for the rights of burrito gendered.

 

[Moonbeam]

When I saw the headline, I had a instant negative reaction, but then I read the article, and I'm not sure about this one. The parents were in a though situation since the boy wanted to dress like a girl all the time. They can force him to wear boy's clothes and act like a boy, for... how long? Until he gets over it, or if he never gets over it, until he's 18? Or they can let him dress like a girl, in which case he better not have a boy's name when he starts kindergarten. The last thing they want is to have a gender confused kid being subject to ridicule in school.

I'm inclined to conclude that so long as surgery is off the table such that the child can change his/her mind in the future, they might have made the right decision.

This would imply that the legal guardians of the child and the ones who know and may love the child best, have done the best job they could as loving parents and everything is right with the universe. It would also mean that whatever opinion I might have on the matter is irrelevant and just me jacking off in public exposing all my emotional bankruptcy and rage?????

Love you Woofie, you always come off as sane.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's nuts how different this forum is from the others I visit. I consider myself to have fairly progressive stances on things, but the posters here seem to be beyond reason. And I think it may do that it's a tech forum - and given that the posters are fairly intelligent - but I think this place is also made of akward social outcasts that have few friends, relationships,and certainly no kids.

I can tell the posters that do have family's, and they stand out as being more mature and thoughtful. It's not just this thread or topic either, but across the board I think that AT attracts social outcasts and it shows.

Pin heads, I call them, intellects without emotional development, children with big heads. So many do not know what they feel or even that they do.

 

[ivwshane]

This would imply that the legal guardians of the child and the ones who know and may love the child best, have done the best job they could as loving parents and everything is right with the universe. It would also mean that whatever opinion I might have on the matter is irrelevant and just me jacking off in public exposing all my emotional bankruptcy and rage?????

Love you Woofie, you always come off as sane.

Yeah but moonie, you know as well as I do that there is one book on how to raise kids. Any deviation from that book might as well be child abuse. Scociety knows how to raise children, clearly these people don't. That's where the rage comes from, they aren't raising their kid right according to universally accepted standards.

Everyone knows that strangers know what's best for other peoples kids!

/S

 

[nickqt]

You forget you're arguing with liberals, all they need to do is read the comments off of a Huffington Post article and they become the worlds expert on any subject.

Oh yeah?

Let's get an idea of what those liberals are saying right here in this thread:

Holy crap


I'm all for LGBT rights, but I'm also against child abuse.

It's wonderful to be a liberal that can run around with soft science theories and encourage a situation where 80% of self-identifiers revert and the remaining 40% kill themselves.

Yeah, that's right, you've pretty much said that likely at a *much* older age 12% will have made the right the decision. And now you think that a 3 year old made the right decision, to the point you're going to irreversibly cut a sausage into a taco.

The other day my 4yr old son told me he was a rock.

You guys are fucking crazy.

You're right man, I mean who needs parents, let all the 4 and 5 year olds do and decide whatever they want, they're clearly already capable of making good decisions.

/s

A story like this tells me more about the failure of this child's parents than anything else.

How dare those liberals pretend to be experts on this kid, or this kid's parents?!?

 

[ivwshane]

Oh yeah?

Let's get an idea of what those liberals are saying right here in this thread:







How dare those liberals pretend to be experts on this kid, or this kid's parents?!?

First rule of being a righty- accuse your opponents of the very thing you yourself are doing.

Their bubble is so secure that they do this shit subconsciously now

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I remember shopping for a tie once, and there was this smoking hot MILF with her ~2 year old boy in a cart. They were moving by and the kid was looking at me, saying "Boy! Boy!", and the mother then said to the child "Yes, that's a boy. Do you like boys? Do you not like girls?" and the kid just kind of stopped talking as if confused or just in deep thought. I'm not sure if the mom was just bored and babbling with the kid to keep it social, or because she was an angry militant LGBTQ radfem bent on making her son identify as gay or a woman.

 

[Moonbeam]

First rule of being a righty- accuse your opponents of the very thing you yourself are doing.

Their bubble is so secure that they do this shit subconsciously now

But they DO all want what is best for the child. They just are certain they know what that is and they all lack the data to have any real idea. They just know that if they think it, it's got to be right. I call that arrogance, and I call that the street face of self hate. "I know what's right, fucker because if I didn't know anything I'd be a worthless piece of shit. Nobody can tell me I'm a know-nothing." What happened to modesty There used to be a God who loved you even though you were a worthless fuck.

 

[ivwshane]

But they DO all want what is best for the child. They just are certain they know what that is and they all lack the data to have any real idea. They just know that if they think it, it's got to be right. I call that arrogance, and I call that the street face of self hate. "I know what's right, fucker because if I didn't know anything I'd be a worthless piece of shit. Nobody can tell me I'm a know-nothing." What happened to modesty There used to be a God who loved you even though you were a worthless fuck.

True, which is why I found slewfoots comment hilarious.

 

[Annisman*]

Pin heads, I call them, intellects without emotional development, children with big heads. So many do not know what they feel or even that they do.

 

[mikeymikec]

I'm not sure what the problem is here or what people here think the parents have done wrong. It seems to me that a three year old boy decided that he would prefer to be a girl, and the parents went along with it.

If the parents aren't pushing the kid to conform against the kid's wishes, it's not like the kid has signed into a contract that says they have to abide by their decision or anything like that. If the kid decides to reverse her decision and the parents allow her/him to do that, then what harm has been done here? IMO there's just as much potential harm in the parents forcing this kid to conform to male or female gender norms.

One poster here said that their kid told them that they were a rock. What did the poster do, shake them and say "YOU'RE NOT A ROCK DAMMIT!"? I doubt it. As a result of the parents' inaction, did the kid then start going down a self-destructive path of acting like a rock, eventually leading to suicide? I doubt that as well.

 

[Annisman*]

I'm not sure what the problem is here or what people here think the parents have done wrong. It seems to me that a three year old boy decided that he would prefer to be a girl, and the parents went along with it.

If the parents aren't pushing the kid to conform against the kid's wishes, it's not like the kid has signed into a contract that says they have to abide by their decision or anything like that. If the kid decides to reverse her decision and the parents allow her/him to do that, then what harm has been done here? IMO there's just as much potential harm in the parents forcing this kid to conform to male or female gender norms.

One poster here said that their kid told them that they were a rock. What did the poster do, shake them and say "YOU'RE NOT A ROCK DAMMIT!"? I doubt it. As a result of the parents' inaction, did the kid then start going down a self-destructive path of acting like a rock, eventually leading to suicide? I doubt that as well.

I highlighted the part of your post where everything fell apart for you.

 

[mikeymikec]

I highlighted the part of your post where everything fell apart for you.

Your justification being?

 

[Annisman*]

Your justification being?

common sense

 

[1prophet]

It must be wonderful to be in a position to make such absolute value/moral judgements about situations/people you know nothing about other than a few words in an online article.

If the parents were trying to pray the gay away or take their child to some psychologist that promises to do the same would you still feel the same about it?

 

[Newell Steamer]

You forget you're arguing with liberals, all they need to do is read the comments off of a Huffington Post article and they become the worlds expert on any subject.

You mean like how LegendKiller 'read' the OP's link and determined the parents of this child have loped off his penis and testicles?

Or, how we liberals wants to mutilate children's genitalia?

And all this while, it is liberals who don't read nor understand reality, as well as make gross and unfounded generalizations.

This is just another example of how you suckers are looking into a mirror.

 

[Murloc]

I think at that age the parents or the boy can't know if it's a phase (induced by the presence of a bigger sister, totally normal), or if he's just gay and so likes girl stuff, or if he's actually transgendered.

I think it's wrong that these parents took an input one day and then forced a binary switch of gender on a kid who's not able to understand it completely yet. If you do that, the child will go along with it, and if the parents end up being wrong, the kid will revert when it's too late and he'll already have suffered unnecessarily.
People can get confused or be insecure as to whether they are gay or trans so I don't think it's a good idea to make a decision this big based on something a THREE YEARS OLD kid said. Plenty of gay people decide do switch gender later.

When I read the article and the part about the burrito came up, I thought it was something even more extreme: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin

it's not like the kid has signed into a contract that says they have to abide by their decision or anything like that. If the kid decides to reverse her decision and the parents allow her/him to do that, then what harm has been done here?

A kid is not adult. If he sees his mum is happy and encouraging him to express his feminine side (because she's totally convinced he's trans since he said it), he will go along with it, and maybe not express his desire to revert the decision. Think also of his social life. Kids like stability and routines. Or maybe he doesn't feel the issue strongly, so leaving it alone might have been better considering all the troubles as soon as the kid is in school: it will have to put up with various issues, starting from which bathroom to use, and putting someone through that if he's not actually transgendered is not useful.

IMO there's just as much potential harm in the parents forcing this kid to conform to male or female gender norms.

except the parents are doing exactly that by changing the name and doing a total switch-over to female gender instead of allowing the kid to be queer and freely find out his identity on his own, after puberty hits.
I'd just make sure he's informed that gay or trans people exist so that he has a way to find out what he is. This is the part that ultraconservative parents and societies get wrong, along with repression of expression, which leads to suicides and people going gay after they had been married or staying in the closet and married but visiting transsexual prostitutes (there's a dick but she looks like a woman so it's not gay right? I believe that's the thinking).