Painkillers for aborted babies? good or bad?

[BugsBunny1078]

Noone is put in charge of a country except by God's designation. That does not give any leader any right to not act in a beneficial way to the people or anything. If you are given the awesome responsibility of ruling a nation then an awful lot is expected of you and you are judged accordingly.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Sorry if you don't like the truth. Showing people real pictures of what happens is not fanatical. If you don't like the reality, maybe pretending it doesn't exist will help.
If you are pro-abortion, you should have no problem at all with pictures of aborted fetuses. Why would it bother you to see a picture of a "tissue mass". I mean seriously, from the response to the pictures, you'd almost think you were looking at a real person or something.

So if you are pro-colonoscopy, you should have no problem watching it being performed?

Sure. Why should you have a problem with watching a medical procedure?

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: Shanti

Sorry if you don't like the truth. Showing people real pictures of what happens is not fanatical. If you don't like the reality, maybe pretending it doesn't exist will help.

If you are pro-abortion, you should have no problem at all with pictures of aborted fetuses. Why would it bother you to see a picture of a "tissue mass". I mean seriously, from the response to the pictures, you'd almost think you were looking at a real person or something.

This is the point pro-lifers don't understand, you think you are furthering your point but you are not. To be honest it doesn't bother me in the least bit because I know the ends that are trying to achieved. The group Justice for All put up 15 foot posters in front of the main campus gym and used the exact same logic you are. (this goes back to my saying that the same forms of protest have been heard for 25 years and nitwits like you think that this is any different). You don't convince anyone on anything by using pictures like that except to give people that are uninformed the assumption that you are fanatics. Once again, it is the same shit that has been said for twenty five years now. Dead baby photos didn't work then and it doesn't work now. It is a medical procedure. Why don't they show photos of amputations when you get your driver's license and videos of open heart surgery when you go for lunch at McDonalds?

Sorry, thanks for playing, kthxbye, go stand to the right as #2,532,205 prolifer to think that he's somehow going to make a difference by arguing on a message board at 9 PM on a Friday night.

And for the record, what bothered me most about posting that is that it was done without a disclaimer that it was not work safe, which should be a mandatory banning IMO.

I think you mistakenly used the term baby. Better change that right away.

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Sorry if you don't like the truth. Showing people real pictures of what happens is not fanatical. If you don't like the reality, maybe pretending it doesn't exist will help.
If you are pro-abortion, you should have no problem at all with pictures of aborted fetuses. Why would it bother you to see a picture of a "tissue mass". I mean seriously, from the response to the pictures, you'd almost think you were looking at a real person or something.

So if you are pro-colonoscopy, you should have no problem watching it being performed?

Sure. Why should you have a problem with watching a medical procedure?

Personally I don't care to see a tube stuck in somebody's rear or a terminated fetus. That has no bearing at all on my opinion of them as a medical procedure. People are squeamish about things but that is irrelevant.

 

[beer]

And furthermore, the photos are attacking a point that prolifers don't make. Yes, it is not pretty to look at. But it is not your body and neither you nor the state has the right to say what to do, and that an unwanted baby raised in a situation where for eighteen years it will be neglected and unwanted is not necessarily a better path.

 

[glugglug]

Aren't 3rd trimester abortions illegal anyways unless there are extenuating circumstances (like danger to the mother)?

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: glugglug
Aren't 3rd trimester abortions illegal anyways unless there are extenuating circumstances (like danger to the mother)?

shhhhhhh don't tell the prolifers that, then they can't use their fetus photos!

Roe v. Wade only allows for first-trimester abortions to me unrestricted. There are conditions on 2nd and third ones and usually they are done for medical conditions, and that also make up a small fraction of total abortions. But that's not what the prolifers will tell you, they're continue to put photos of eight-month old fetuses on 25' banners and wave them around like american flags.

 

[0roo0roo]

What is pathetic is your usage of the logic of a 4 year old. Sperm is not human. A "4 cell cluster" is not a dog, it will never develop into a dog.

I realize that you hold the uncivilized opinion that in order to be considered human, one must be born. Keep in mind though that no amount of 4 year old logic spewed from your asscrack will cause me to have that same uncivilized opinion. Why don't you change your handle to something more representative of your sensibilities: Instead of 0roo0roo, how about 0mengele0mengele?

that must be some smart 4 year old then. atleast smarter then you with your rather pathetic attempt at a play on words. what isn't human about sperm? you don't say. it is because you don't bother to think. sure, a 4 cell cluster is not a dog. and a 4 cell cluster is not a baby. it requires quite a bit of help to develop into anything at all, it takes a series of processes to change it into baby, else you could toss a 4 celled cluster into some potting soil and wait 9 months. going back on the continuous process a few moments and its sperm and egg which also require much assitance, and yet you don't consider those human. rather arbitrary line you draw at which building blocks are "human" and which are disposable. it sounds like an arguement of convenience and comfort more then anything else.

Classic!

Yes, I am no vegan. You are correct, I don't see a cow or pig's life as sacred. Not all "life" is sacred to me. My concern lies with the respect given to humanity. Deny that slippery slopes exist all you want, but as soon as you start defining when someone does not have the right to live simply because of their level of development someone else will try to change that definition. Hell, you liberal weenies can't even settle on the definition of "imminent"...........

why? with cloning techniques, soon each and every cell of your body could be "imminent" as potential for a cloned baby by your reasoning. as for why you consider human life sacred and animals not, it is arbitrary, and you don't even bother stating a reason why. you don't consider life sacred unless when convenient.

There are grown humans living this very day who do not have the mental capacity that even your dog has. Should we only grant them the rights we've granted to dogs simply because they more closely "resemble" a dog than a human? How do you feel about dropping off a "retard" at the pound to be euthanized because their "owners" simply didn't want to shoulder the burden to properly care for them?


Don't even think about bringing hypocrisy to your argument, unless of course you feel that the mentally handicapped, infants, and the infirm elderly should be treated like animals, or lesser, because they don't "resemble" humans in behavior or intelligence. Or is your only concern for human life simply related to physical appearance? If it "looks" like a human, then and only then does it have the rights the rest of us enjoy.......

And no, there is not a religious bone in my body, thanks for displaying your ignorant assumptions.

its irrelevant. even the mentally deficient do not enslave anothers body for their continued existence. they are independent, if still dependent upon society which we all are to some degree, which is rather different from imposed slavery of another. its telling we don't even force parents to keep retarded children at home if it becomes too much of a burden, society creates institutions to alivate families of a burden they cannot carry. we do not force them to suffer if they cannot, or do not choose to. and thats with independent beings who do not enslave anothers body.

putting dogs to sleep is an unfortunate byproduct of people who do not believe in planning the reproductive options of their pets. planned parent hood perhaps. in a perfect world no dog would have to be put to sleep, but in a supposedly pro life nation, majorities aren't willing to pay for the housing of excess animals, and don't consider them worthy of better treatment then euthenasia. the reasoning is based on species bias, and not on reason or mental capacity. either way, its convenience.

but either way, a dog doesn't latch onto your body and enslave you for its physical existence. a dog isn't a 4 celled cluster. and based on its mental capacity and independence, it shouldn't be killed. just as with other higher level animals. you say you believe life is sacred, but you are no vegan. you draw your little line in the sand based on nothing more then species. a catagory. catagories you find so dangerous. apparently its not ok to catagorize a cluster of cells as something other then human, yet ok to catagorize everything else.

and i didn't say you were religious, simply that you were arbitrary in drawing lines in the sand where something is human. that your reasoning more resembles superstition then reason.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I'm not sifting through 5 pages, but they don't even require painkillers for circumcisions on real live babies. This is assinine.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Actually I was against the war in Iraq but I felt that God had a part in it since Saddam had aligned himself against God, God took him out. Saddam had delusions about his own grandeur and importance and was obsessed with Nebuchadnezzar who also was a tyrant who murdered alot of people. When God decides that a leader needs to be overthrown he will do so . Noone has power over a nation unless God wills it. Saddam was given power by God , he had a chance to be a just leader. He blew it.It is not wrong for God to kill since he is taking some back home to be with him and the others that he is not taking home with him are damned anyways. God has the right to kill but man doesn't. Man should oppose war. If God wants the war to happen it will. Are soldiers mass murderers? They can be.They may not be. It depends what they do. If they target civilians then yes they are they should be locked up. If they are fighting enemy soldiers then their leaders must bear the blame for that, if it is not in defense. Pretty complicated issue. I don't think you can compare a soldier who is ordered into battle and kills someone with a doctor who is performing abortions for profit. That doesn;t make me a hyppocrite since I am not killing anyone on the battlefield or in a womb. I am not supporting war or abortion or the death penalty and I think we can do without all three.

Are you on dope, or really that stupid?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Why does it matter if the fetus is doped up or not? I thought if they suck the brains out there is nothing left to feel the pain
But either way is fine with me. I think legislators should stay out of the doctor's room. Or maybe they should have abortions in the legislature chambers so that politicians can tell doctors what to do.

it is real simple

is it really? have you ever heard of birth defects? heres one of Harlequin Type Ichthyosis NSFW!!!
many things aren't pretty, all your trying to do is evoke an emotional reaction. maybe you should look at pictures of babies born with their brains outside their skulls. you might call these extreme, but posting late term abortion pictures is also extreme.
more safe for work link with explanation

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Why does it matter if the fetus is doped up or not? I thought if they suck the brains out there is nothing left to feel the pain
But either way is fine with me. I think legislators should stay out of the doctor's room. Or maybe they should have abortions in the legislature chambers so that politicians can tell doctors what to do.

it is real simple

is it really? have you ever heard of birth defects? heres one of Harlequin Type Ichthyosis NSFW!!!
many things aren't pretty, all your trying to do is evoke an emotional reaction. maybe you should look at pictures of babies born with their brains outside their skulls. you might call these extreme, but posting late term abortion pictures is also extreme.
more safe for work link with explanation

Do you actually fail to see the difference?
You are talking about tragic things over which we have no control.
Abortion is a conscious choice.
An intentional act.

The emotions invoked by seeing a disturbing picture of a car accident victim are much much different than the emotions invoked by seeing a disturbing picture of a murder victim.
The first makes me feel sad.
The second makes me feel outraged and sickened by the coldness and evil humans are capable of.

 

[0roo0roo]

you don't understand do you. his side would force that type of suffering into existence. his side would consider aborting such a baby even far before it reached such horrific level murder. forcing the mother to endure such a birth, see the baby, and watch it suffer and die.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

you don't understand do you. his side would force that type of suffering into existence. his side would consider aborting such a baby even far before it reached such horrific level murder. forcing the mother to endure such a birth, see the baby, and watch it suffer and die.

the suffering already exists, the only thing we can do now is to clean up our water,
put an end to the use of depleted uranium,
educate mothers on the dangers of FAS all to try to reduce birthdefects.
Give the poor human we are about to be allowed to be legaly salaughtered something;
something to keep it from fealing flesh-rending pain it's about to endure.

Originally posted by: Sahakiel

can smoeone who is for-abortion explain to me why we should call any human a non-person?

Interesting tidbit: I once attended a conference where a speaker successfully defended a position that a fetus in the womb is a parasite. Nobody present at the time was able to refute the condition of the unborn equating the definition of parasitic activity.

If you attended a conference that had a speaker saying "Jews are parasites" and nobody present could argue against him:
does it make it OK to allow their legal slaughter?

That said, it would seem that the answer to the question based on the above position would be the moment a fetus is able to survive on its own (no life support). However, it would seem more humane to modify that in light of technology and define it as the moment a fetus is able to survive given life support.

so you are against partial-birth abortion, and find it in-humane to support post 2nd trimester abortion.

Now, why is it that a few months or a few inches makes the difference?

Isn't this a living human, even it can't survive now, as it will survive if not interfered with.

 

[Romans828]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
I'm not sifting through 5 pages, but they don't even require painkillers for circumcisions on real live babies. This is assinine.

real live babies.

Talk about assinine

 

[imported_Papi]

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: yayo
I think thats ratarded. Literally.

Firstly, why wait that long to have an abortion? Being woman, I have all confidence when saying that I know that most women are fvcking idiots to begin with, so I guess there goes any justification to my own question.

Secondly, its not a death penalty. I feel very indifferent. My personal morals cause my consious to say "aww poor living thing (because its 2-3 trimester)" but at the same time I'm like "WTF thats life, at least its not me!"

I usually come to the realization that I dont give a flying fvck because its not my life or desision to make.

I do wonder when others will beging to think this way as well. the world should minds its own business.

I know, fat chance.

We could use the same logic to say we should mind our own business if a person wants to kill their one year old child.

No we shouldnt. That type of senario is entirely different. That type of senario is completely stupid and only someone grasping for senarios would use one such as yours.


A person trying to kill their one year old obviously has problems. The fact the one year old is living and out of the uterus implys that that person chose to want that child alive at some point. Them trying to kill it has no relation to abortion. Your argument is illogical.

 

[imported_Papi]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Actually I was against the war in Iraq but I felt that God had a part in it since Saddam had aligned himself against God, God took him out. Saddam had delusions about his own grandeur and importance and was obsessed with Nebuchadnezzar who also was a tyrant who murdered alot of people. When God decides that a leader needs to be overthrown he will do so . Noone has power over a nation unless God wills it. Saddam was given power by God , he had a chance to be a just leader. He blew it.It is not wrong for God to kill since he is taking some back home to be with him and the others that he is not taking home with him are damned anyways. God has the right to kill but man doesn't. Man should oppose war. If God wants the war to happen it will. Are soldiers mass murderers? They can be.They may not be. It depends what they do. If they target civilians then yes they are they should be locked up. If they are fighting enemy soldiers then their leaders must bear the blame for that, if it is not in defense. Pretty complicated issue. I don't think you can compare a soldier who is ordered into battle and kills someone with a doctor who is performing abortions for profit. That doesn;t make me a hyppocrite since I am not killing anyone on the battlefield or in a womb. I am not supporting war or abortion or the death penalty and I think we can do without all three.

Are you on dope, or really that stupid?

Aww comon Mill, didnt the "when God decides" part make you laugh just a little?

 

[Romans828]

Originally posted by: yayo

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: yayo
I think thats ratarded. Literally.

Firstly, why wait that long to have an abortion? Being woman, I have all confidence when saying that I know that most women are fvcking idiots to begin with, so I guess there goes any justification to my own question.

Secondly, its not a death penalty. I feel very indifferent. My personal morals cause my consious to say "aww poor living thing (because its 2-3 trimester)" but at the same time I'm like "WTF thats life, at least its not me!"

I usually come to the realization that I dont give a flying fvck because its not my life or desision to make.

I do wonder when others will beging to think this way as well. the world should minds its own business.

I know, fat chance.

We could use the same logic to say we should mind our own business if a person wants to kill their one year old child.

No we shouldnt. That type of senario is entirely different. That type of senario is completely stupid and only someone grasping for senarios would use one such as yours.


A person trying to kill their one year old obviously has problems. The fact the one year old is living and out of the uterus implys that that person chose to want that child alive at some point. Them trying to kill it has no relation to abortion. Your argument is illogical.

The fact the one year old is living and out of the uterus implys that that person chose to want that child alive at some point

No it doesnt maybe they could'nt afford the abortion yet. Besides what the hell difference does in uterous have to do with it?

I say either you have the right to murder your kids or you don't.

 

[Romans828]

Originally posted by: yayo

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Actually I was against the war in Iraq but I felt that God had a part in it since Saddam had aligned himself against God, God took him out. Saddam had delusions about his own grandeur and importance and was obsessed with Nebuchadnezzar who also was a tyrant who murdered alot of people. When God decides that a leader needs to be overthrown he will do so . Noone has power over a nation unless God wills it. Saddam was given power by God , he had a chance to be a just leader. He blew it.It is not wrong for God to kill since he is taking some back home to be with him and the others that he is not taking home with him are damned anyways. God has the right to kill but man doesn't. Man should oppose war. If God wants the war to happen it will. Are soldiers mass murderers? They can be.They may not be. It depends what they do. If they target civilians then yes they are they should be locked up. If they are fighting enemy soldiers then their leaders must bear the blame for that, if it is not in defense. Pretty complicated issue. I don't think you can compare a soldier who is ordered into battle and kills someone with a doctor who is performing abortions for profit. That doesn;t make me a hyppocrite since I am not killing anyone on the battlefield or in a womb. I am not supporting war or abortion or the death penalty and I think we can do without all three.

Are you on dope, or really that stupid?

Aww comon Mill, didnt the "when God decides" part make you laugh just a little?

Aww comon Mill, didnt the "when God decides" part make you laugh just a little?

FYI.........

One day He WILL DECIDE and you won't be laughing

 

[imported_Papi]

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: yayo

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Actually I was against the war in Iraq but I felt that God had a part in it since Saddam had aligned himself against God, God took him out. Saddam had delusions about his own grandeur and importance and was obsessed with Nebuchadnezzar who also was a tyrant who murdered alot of people. When God decides that a leader needs to be overthrown he will do so . Noone has power over a nation unless God wills it. Saddam was given power by God , he had a chance to be a just leader. He blew it.It is not wrong for God to kill since he is taking some back home to be with him and the others that he is not taking home with him are damned anyways. God has the right to kill but man doesn't. Man should oppose war. If God wants the war to happen it will. Are soldiers mass murderers? They can be.They may not be. It depends what they do. If they target civilians then yes they are they should be locked up. If they are fighting enemy soldiers then their leaders must bear the blame for that, if it is not in defense. Pretty complicated issue. I don't think you can compare a soldier who is ordered into battle and kills someone with a doctor who is performing abortions for profit. That doesn;t make me a hyppocrite since I am not killing anyone on the battlefield or in a womb. I am not supporting war or abortion or the death penalty and I think we can do without all three.

Are you on dope, or really that stupid?

Aww comon Mill, didnt the "when God decides" part make you laugh just a little?

Aww comon Mill, didnt the "when God decides" part make you laugh just a little?

FYI.........

One day He WILL DECIDE and you won't be laughing

OMG AIEEEEEEE the prophets have spoken.

stop your tripping.

everyone knows god doesnt exist. its a comfort to think he does, god gives people like you hope and the will to carry on.

Im just happy I woke up this morning and having said that I will make the most of today and hope that tomorrow I can do the same.

no god decides that for me. so dont go threatening me with your bible thumping crap. i regard that as harassment.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: yayo

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: yayo

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Actually I was against the war in Iraq but I felt that God had a part in it since Saddam had aligned himself against God, God took him out. Saddam had delusions about his own grandeur and importance and was obsessed with Nebuchadnezzar who also was a tyrant who murdered alot of people. When God decides that a leader needs to be overthrown he will do so . Noone has power over a nation unless God wills it. Saddam was given power by God , he had a chance to be a just leader. He blew it.It is not wrong for God to kill since he is taking some back home to be with him and the others that he is not taking home with him are damned anyways. God has the right to kill but man doesn't. Man should oppose war. If God wants the war to happen it will. Are soldiers mass murderers? They can be.They may not be. It depends what they do. If they target civilians then yes they are they should be locked up. If they are fighting enemy soldiers then their leaders must bear the blame for that, if it is not in defense. Pretty complicated issue. I don't think you can compare a soldier who is ordered into battle and kills someone with a doctor who is performing abortions for profit. That doesn;t make me a hyppocrite since I am not killing anyone on the battlefield or in a womb. I am not supporting war or abortion or the death penalty and I think we can do without all three.

Are you on dope, or really that stupid?

Aww comon Mill, didnt the "when God decides" part make you laugh just a little?

Aww comon Mill, didnt the "when God decides" part make you laugh just a little?

FYI.........

One day He WILL DECIDE and you won't be laughing

OMG AIEEEEEEE the prophets have spoken.

stop your tripping.

everyone knows god doesnt exist. its a comfort to think he does, god gives people like you hope and the will to carry on.

Im just happy I woke up this morning and having said that I will make the most of today and hope that tomorrow I can do the same.

no god decides that for me. so dont go threatening me with your bible thumping crap. i regard that as harassment.

Well, I don't care for Christianity for the most part, nor Bible beaters, but I do believe in some form of God.

 

[imported_Papi]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: yayo

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: yayo

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Actually I was against the war in Iraq but I felt that God had a part in it since Saddam had aligned himself against God, God took him out. Saddam had delusions about his own grandeur and importance and was obsessed with Nebuchadnezzar who also was a tyrant who murdered alot of people. When God decides that a leader needs to be overthrown he will do so . Noone has power over a nation unless God wills it. Saddam was given power by God , he had a chance to be a just leader. He blew it.It is not wrong for God to kill since he is taking some back home to be with him and the others that he is not taking home with him are damned anyways. God has the right to kill but man doesn't. Man should oppose war. If God wants the war to happen it will. Are soldiers mass murderers? They can be.They may not be. It depends what they do. If they target civilians then yes they are they should be locked up. If they are fighting enemy soldiers then their leaders must bear the blame for that, if it is not in defense. Pretty complicated issue. I don't think you can compare a soldier who is ordered into battle and kills someone with a doctor who is performing abortions for profit. That doesn;t make me a hyppocrite since I am not killing anyone on the battlefield or in a womb. I am not supporting war or abortion or the death penalty and I think we can do without all three.

Are you on dope, or really that stupid?

Aww comon Mill, didnt the "when God decides" part make you laugh just a little?

Aww comon Mill, didnt the "when God decides" part make you laugh just a little?

FYI.........

One day He WILL DECIDE and you won't be laughing

OMG AIEEEEEEE the prophets have spoken.

stop your tripping.

everyone knows god doesnt exist. its a comfort to think he does, god gives people like you hope and the will to carry on.

Im just happy I woke up this morning and having said that I will make the most of today and hope that tomorrow I can do the same.

no god decides that for me. so dont go threatening me with your bible thumping crap. i regard that as harassment.

Well, I don't care for Christianity for the most part, nor Bible beaters, but I do believe in some form of God.

touche, Mill. your god=my higher power (unrelated to religion)

 

[Romans828]

No one threatning anyone, simply offerring a different point of view.

Perhaps the term "chill out" would apply here?


You non-belivers sure do get hung up over things you don't even consider "real" If I were in your shoes I think I would simply laugh and move on..........

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Romans828
No one threatning anyone, simply offerring a different point of view.

Perhaps the term "chill out" would apply here?


You non-belivers sure do get hung up over things you don't even consider "real" If I were in your shoes I think I would simply laugh and move on..........

I don't have a problem with you having a different point of view. At all. I just don't like when someone says I'm going to hell or burning because I don't believe exactly like them. My God is compassionate.

 

[imported_Papi]

"One day He WILL DECIDE and you won't be laughing"

that does implies a future threat.


as if i would really take your statment seriously. haha