Painkillers for aborted babies? good or bad?

[Corn]

pathetic. if a 4 cell cluster is human then so is the major contributor..sperm or egg.

What is pathetic is your usage of the logic of a 4 year old. Sperm is not human. A "4 cell cluster" is not a dog, it will never develop into a dog.

I realize that you hold the uncivilized opinion that in order to be considered human, one must be born. Keep in mind though that no amount of 4 year old logic spewed from your asscrack will cause me to have that same uncivilized opinion. Why don't you change your handle to something more representative of your sensibilities: Instead of 0roo0roo, how about 0mengele0mengele?

i guess your no vegan, you don't see a cow or pigs life as sacred just because its not human. not all life is sacred huh? murder and justify when convenient by your own logic. capacity to think or feel is irrelevant to you. judgement is irrelevant to you. it is arbitrary and based on superstition.

Classic!

Yes, I am no vegan. You are correct, I don't see a cow or pig's life as sacred. Not all "life" is sacred to me. My concern lies with the respect given to humanity. Deny that slippery slopes exist all you want, but as soon as you start defining when someone does not have the right to live simply because of their level of development someone else will try to change that definition. Hell, you liberal weenies can't even settle on the definition of "imminent"...........

There are grown humans living this very day who do not have the mental capacity that even your dog has. Should we only grant them the rights we've granted to dogs simply because they more closely "resemble" a dog than a human? How do you feel about dropping off a "retard" at the pound to be euthanized because their "owners" simply didn't want to shoulder the burden to properly care for them?

Don't even think about bringing hypocrisy to your argument, unless of course you feel that the mentally handicapped, infants, and the infirm elderly should be treated like animals, or lesser, because they don't "resemble" humans in behavior or intelligence. Or is your only concern for human life simply related to physical appearance? If it "looks" like a human, then and only then does it have the rights the rest of us enjoy.......

And no, there is not a religious bone in my body, thanks for displaying your ignorant assumptions.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

anytime humanity has said that one section of humans where not 'persons' it's been an immutably bad thing.

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: FrodoB
I truly believe that the abortionists are at a lower level of evolution. Their justifications are primitive.

Wow, this thread is full of self-proclaimed enlightened elitsts, now isn't it?

I just love how you claim that you are morally and, therefore, intellectually superior. I love how you appearantly assume that one follows the other! If this is the case, I'm sure GWB and Jerry Fawell are in contention for Nobel Prizes for Physics, then, aren't they?

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21


"objectionable" You are upset because he posted the truth about the procedure? I guess you would prefer him to post just the following?

when you have an abortion, a medical professional is there

and leave it at that? People like you that find this type of thing abusive but have no problem with the action it is bringing to attention are pathetic.

If there's one thing that brings out the fanatics in this forum it is abortion threads. Personally I find it amusing how a bunch of nitwits like yourselves recycle the same sh!t that has been said for twenty five years and expect anyone to change their opinion. I already go to a university where this sort of thing goes on continiously and it's the same sh!t, over and over again. You have complete whackjobs like bugsbunny advocating the murder of abortion doctors and then you post sh!t like this knowing that it is not suitable for work or school where many people do browse and comment on these forums. Personally for entertainment I like to sit here with a lawn chair, beer and peanuts and watch fanatics like yourself try with all your might to prove your moral superiority and I laugh because it is completely in vain. Do you think that you're going to change anyone's opinion, especially here, and especially by posting crap like that? You're no better at accomplishing your goals than a Muslim fanatic working for Hamas who's going to blow himself up on a bus fuill of commuters and children in some vain attempt for a Palestinian state.

Argument through emotion and inflammatory propoganda is equally worthless, both for you and Hamas.

Personally I'm glad they moved whackos like most of the people in this thread out of offtopic. Now if I only had a neutron bomb...

Ok well just understand that in no way am I advocating the murder of abortion doctor's. Killing even one of these serial killers is not what I would do but unlike other mass murderers these guys are legally protected for their crimes. So since we as society cannot get help from law enforcement to protect our innocent babies from this heinous massacre it is understandable that some might take matters into their own hands. Violence begets violence and some people get extra riled when the victim of violence is a baby. There should be a constitutional amendment to give babies the right to life.
I would like to see the abortionists locked up in prison for the remainder of their days but not killed since I don;t believe in the death penalty even for these monsters.

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078


Ok well just understand that in no way am I advocating the murder of abortion doctor's. Killing even one of these serial killers is not what I would do but unlike other mass murderers these guys are legally protected for their crimes. So since we as society cannot get help from law enforcement to protect our innocent babies from this heinous massacre it is understandable that some might take matters into their own hands. Violence begets violence and some people get extra riled when the victim of violence is a baby. There should be a constitutional amendment to give babies the right to life.
I would like to see the abortionists locked up in prison for the remainder of their days but not killed since I don;t believe in the death penalty even for these monsters.

Imagine how much better your time could have been spent than typing all of that to fall on deaf ears. I'm sure it makes you feel like a big man, doesn't it? Another enlightened individual that assumes intellectual superiority is a product of moral superiority, eh?

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21


"objectionable" You are upset because he posted the truth about the procedure? I guess you would prefer him to post just the following?

when you have an abortion, a medical professional is there

and leave it at that? People like you that find this type of thing abusive but have no problem with the action it is bringing to attention are pathetic.

If there's one thing that brings out the fanatics in this forum it is abortion threads. Personally I find it amusing how a bunch of nitwits like yourselves recycle the same sh!t that has been said for twenty five years and expect anyone to change their opinion. I already go to a university where this sort of thing goes on continiously and it's the same sh!t, over and over again. You have complete whackjobs like bugsbunny advocating the murder of abortion doctors and then you post sh!t like this knowing that it is not suitable for work or school where many people do browse and comment on these forums. Personally for entertainment I like to sit here with a lawn chair, beer and peanuts and watch fanatics like yourself try with all your might to prove your moral superiority and I laugh because it is completely in vain. Do you think that you're going to change anyone's opinion, especially here, and especially by posting crap like that? You're no better at accomplishing your goals than a Muslim fanatic working for Hamas who's going to blow himself up on a bus fuill of commuters and children in some vain attempt for a Palestinian state.

Argument through emotion and inflammatory propoganda is equally worthless, both for you and Hamas.

Personally I'm glad they moved whackos like most of the people in this thread out of offtopic. Now if I only had a neutron bomb...

Ok well just understand that in no way am I advocating the murder of abortion doctor's. Killing even one of these serial killers is not what I would do but unlike other mass murderers these guys are legally protected for their crimes. So since we as society cannot get help from law enforcement to protect our innocent babies from this heinous massacre it is understandable that some might take matters into their own hands. Violence begets violence and some people get extra riled when the victim of violence is a baby. There should be a constitutional amendment to give babies the right to life.
I would like to see the abortionists locked up in prison for the remainder of their days but not killed since I don;t believe in the death penalty even for these monsters.

i disagree with the death-penalty, and i belive that 2 wrongs don't make a right; but much as the anti-Nazi forces that sabotaged the Germans behind the lines in WW2 i support the causes of 'domestic terrorists' like operation-rescue.

just as I'm sure we've got some seara club members that support the causes of 'domestic terrorists' like green-peace.


can smoeone who is for-abortion explain to me why we should call any human a non-person?

 

[Corn]

can smoeone who is for-abortion explain to me why we should call any human a non-person?

Our rights to "privacy" and convenience supercede all others.

 

[Gen Stonewall]

I'd like to see the incidence of abortions performed on children conceived out of consensual sex. (I think it's above 99%, but I'm not sure.)

 

[Sahakiel]

can smoeone who is for-abortion explain to me why we should call any human a non-person?

Interesting tidbit: I once attended a conference where a speaker successfully defended a position that a fetus in the womb is a parasite. Nobody present at the time was able to refute the condition of the unborn equating the definition of parasitic activity.

That said, it would seem that the answer to the question based on the above position would be the moment a fetus is able to survive on its own (no life support). However, it would seem more humane to modify that in light of technology and define it as the moment a fetus is able to survive given life support.

 

[Sternfan]

It it not a life when the heart is beating? I know for a fact at just 4 weeks you can see a heart beat. If you grandfather is brain dead in the hospital with a heart beat is he no longer human?

 

[Drphibes]

I dont think we should start on the suicide doctor thing if it was up to me and i was left like that id say pull the plug. Its not like pulling the plug would cause me to miss anything except the huge burden i would be causing on my families bank account. I think abortion is rather humane 100 years ago if you couldnt take care of a baby it would probably just starve to death ( anyone here know how painfull starving to death is) after it was born. If its late term i thought roe vs. wade took care of that.

 

[TheBDB]

People don't have a universal right to life. What I mean by that is society finds it acceptable to kill to defend yourself, in times of war, etc. That being said it is possible to find a justifiable reason to kill a fetus. I don't want to get any more involved in that because I honestly don't know what is right, but my main point is just to say even if you say fetuses are living human beings doesn't guarantee them a right to life.

 

[Mill]

I am morally against abortion, but I don't think it should be illegal.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Why does it matter if the fetus is doped up or not? I thought if they suck the brains out there is nothing left to feel the pain
But either way is fine with me. I think legislators should stay out of the doctor's room. Or maybe they should have abortions in the legislature chambers so that politicians can tell doctors what to do.

it is real simple

Oh noes! Pictures of dead babies used as propaganda. Try again.

 

[Mill]

Bugs, I have a quick question for you. Do you consider soldiers mass murderers? If you say abortion doctors(which are killing a fetus through legal procedures) are murderers, then doesn't that mean some soldiers could be called mass murderers? You were against the war in Iraq right? All those bombs that killed little babies? Doubtful. The amount of hypocrites in this thread is astounding.

 

[imported_Papi]

I think thats ratarded. Literally.

Firstly, why wait that long to have an abortion? Being woman, I have all confidence when saying that I know that most women are fvcking idiots to begin with, so I guess there goes any justification to my own question.

Secondly, its not a death penalty. I feel very indifferent. My personal morals cause my consious to say "aww poor living thing (because its 2-3 trimester)" but at the same time I'm like "WTF thats life, at least its not me!"

I usually come to the realization that I dont give a flying fvck because its not my life or desision to make.

I do wonder when others will beging to think this way as well. the world should minds its own business.

I know, fat chance.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: yayo
I think thats ratarded. Literally.

Firstly, why wait that long to have an abortion? Being woman, I have all confidence when saying that I know that most women are fvcking idiots to begin with, so I guess there goes any justification to my own question.

Secondly, its not a death penalty. I feel very indifferent. My personal morals cause my consious to say "aww poor living thing (because its 2-3 trimester)" but at the same time I'm like "WTF thats life, at least its not me!"

I usually come to the realization that I dont give a flying fvck because its not my life or desision to make.

I do wonder when others will beging to think this way as well. the world should minds its own business.

I know, fat chance.

We could use the same logic to say we should mind our own business if a person wants to kill their one year old child.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Why does it matter if the fetus is doped up or not? I thought if they suck the brains out there is nothing left to feel the pain
But either way is fine with me. I think legislators should stay out of the doctor's room. Or maybe they should have abortions in the legislature chambers so that politicians can tell doctors what to do.

it is real simple

Oh noes! Pictures of dead babies used as propaganda. Try again.

How is it propaganda if it is simply an accurate portrayal of reality?

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Why does it matter if the fetus is doped up or not? I thought if they suck the brains out there is nothing left to feel the pain
But either way is fine with me. I think legislators should stay out of the doctor's room. Or maybe they should have abortions in the legislature chambers so that politicians can tell doctors what to do.

it is real simple

Oh noes! Pictures of dead babies used as propaganda. Try again.

How is it propaganda if it is simply an accurate portrayal of reality?

since you didn't seem to catch it the first time around:

Originally posted by: beer

If there's one thing that brings out the fanatics in this forum it is abortion threads. Personally I find it amusing how a bunch of nitwits like yourselves recycle the same sh!t that has been said for twenty five years and expect anyone to change their opinion. I already go to a university where this sort of thing goes on continiously and it's the same sh!t, over and over again. You have complete whackjobs like bugsbunny advocating the murder of abortion doctors and then you post sh!t like this knowing that it is not suitable for work or school where many people do browse and comment on these forums. Personally for entertainment I like to sit here with a lawn chair, beer and peanuts and watch fanatics like yourself try with all your might to prove your moral superiority and I laugh because it is completely in vain. Do you think that you're going to change anyone's opinion, especially here, and especially by posting crap like that? You're no better at accomplishing your goals than a Muslim fanatic working for Hamas who's going to blow himself up on a bus fuill of commuters and children in some vain attempt for a Palestinian state.

Argument through emotion and inflammatory propoganda is equally worthless, both for you and Hamas.

Personally I'm glad they moved whackos like most of the people in this thread out of offtopic. Now if I only had a neutron bomb...

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Why does it matter if the fetus is doped up or not? I thought if they suck the brains out there is nothing left to feel the pain
But either way is fine with me. I think legislators should stay out of the doctor's room. Or maybe they should have abortions in the legislature chambers so that politicians can tell doctors what to do.

it is real simple

Oh noes! Pictures of dead babies used as propaganda. Try again.

How is it propaganda if it is simply an accurate portrayal of reality?

since you didn't seem to catch it the first time around:

Originally posted by: beer

If there's one thing that brings out the fanatics in this forum it is abortion threads. Personally I find it amusing how a bunch of nitwits like yourselves recycle the same sh!t that has been said for twenty five years and expect anyone to change their opinion. I already go to a university where this sort of thing goes on continiously and it's the same sh!t, over and over again. You have complete whackjobs like bugsbunny advocating the murder of abortion doctors and then you post sh!t like this knowing that it is not suitable for work or school where many people do browse and comment on these forums. Personally for entertainment I like to sit here with a lawn chair, beer and peanuts and watch fanatics like yourself try with all your might to prove your moral superiority and I laugh because it is completely in vain. Do you think that you're going to change anyone's opinion, especially here, and especially by posting crap like that? You're no better at accomplishing your goals than a Muslim fanatic working for Hamas who's going to blow himself up on a bus fuill of commuters and children in some vain attempt for a Palestinian state.

Argument through emotion and inflammatory propoganda is equally worthless, both for you and Hamas.

Personally I'm glad they moved whackos like most of the people in this thread out of offtopic. Now if I only had a neutron bomb...

Sorry if you don't like the truth. Showing people real pictures of what happens is not fanatical. If you don't like the reality, maybe pretending it doesn't exist will help.

If you are pro-abortion, you should have no problem at all with pictures of aborted fetuses. Why would it bother you to see a picture of a "tissue mass". I mean seriously, from the response to the pictures, you'd almost think you were looking at a real person or something.

 

[Moonbeam]

There is so much passion on this issue, especially from pro-life men, that you would think they would pool their resources and find a scientific way they could carry unwanted fetuses to term in their own tummies. Then they could volunteer at the clinics. It's just an accident of evolution that only half the people are women. That can probably now be fixed. Alternatively we can just choose x chromosome sperm to create 99.9 percent of all babies and have a race of women. Strict controls on the .01 % of drones could eliminate unwanted pregnancy.

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Actually I was against the war in Iraq but I felt that God had a part in it since Saddam had aligned himself against God, God took him out. Saddam had delusions about his own grandeur and importance and was obsessed with Nebuchadnezzar who also was a tyrant who murdered alot of people. When God decides that a leader needs to be overthrown he will do so . Noone has power over a nation unless God wills it. Saddam was given power by God , he had a chance to be a just leader. He blew it.It is not wrong for God to kill since he is taking some back home to be with him and the others that he is not taking home with him are damned anyways. God has the right to kill but man doesn't. Man should oppose war. If God wants the war to happen it will. Are soldiers mass murderers? They can be.They may not be. It depends what they do. If they target civilians then yes they are they should be locked up. If they are fighting enemy soldiers then their leaders must bear the blame for that, if it is not in defense. Pretty complicated issue. I don't think you can compare a soldier who is ordered into battle and kills someone with a doctor who is performing abortions for profit. That doesn;t make me a hyppocrite since I am not killing anyone on the battlefield or in a womb. I am not supporting war or abortion or the death penalty and I think we can do without all three.

 

[TheBDB]

Sorry if you don't like the truth. Showing people real pictures of what happens is not fanatical. If you don't like the reality, maybe pretending it doesn't exist will help.
If you are pro-abortion, you should have no problem at all with pictures of aborted fetuses. Why would it bother you to see a picture of a "tissue mass". I mean seriously, from the response to the pictures, you'd almost think you were looking at a real person or something.

So if you are pro-colonoscopy, you should have no problem watching it being performed?

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: Shanti

Sorry if you don't like the truth. Showing people real pictures of what happens is not fanatical. If you don't like the reality, maybe pretending it doesn't exist will help.

If you are pro-abortion, you should have no problem at all with pictures of aborted fetuses. Why would it bother you to see a picture of a "tissue mass". I mean seriously, from the response to the pictures, you'd almost think you were looking at a real person or something.

This is the point pro-lifers don't understand, you think you are furthering your point but you are not. To be honest it doesn't bother me in the least bit because I know the ends that are trying to achieved. The group Justice for All put up 15 foot posters in front of the main campus gym and used the exact same logic you are. (this goes back to my saying that the same forms of protest have been heard for 25 years and nitwits like you think that this is any different). You don't convince anyone on anything by using pictures like that except to give people that are uninformed the assumption that you are fanatics. Once again, it is the same shit that has been said for twenty five years now. Dead baby photos didn't work then and it doesn't work now. It is a medical procedure. Why don't they show photos of amputations when you get your driver's license and videos of open heart surgery when you go for lunch at McDonalds?

Sorry, thanks for playing, kthxbye, go stand to the right as #2,532,205 prolifer to think that he's somehow going to make a difference by arguing on a message board at 9 PM on a Friday night.

And for the record, what bothered me most about posting that is that it was done without a disclaimer that it was not work safe, which should be a mandatory banning IMO.

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Actually I was against the war in Iraq but I felt that God had a part in it since Saddam had aligned himself against God, God took him out. Saddam had delusions about his own grandeur and importance and was obsessed with Nebuchadnezzar who also was a tyrant who murdered alot of people. When God decides that a leader needs to be overthrown he will do so . Noone has power over a nation unless God wills it. Saddam was given power by God , he had a chance to be a just leader. He blew it.It is not wrong for God to kill since he is taking some back home to be with him and the others that he is not taking home with him are damned anyways. God has the right to kill but man doesn't. Man should oppose war. If God wants the war to happen it will. Are soldiers mass murderers? They can be.They may not be. It depends what they do. If they target civilians then yes they are they should be locked up. If they are fighting enemy soldiers then their leaders must bear the blame for that, if it is not in defense. Pretty complicated issue. I don't think you can compare a soldier who is ordered into battle and kills someone with a doctor who is performing abortions for profit. That doesn;t make me a hyppocrite since I am not killing anyone on the battlefield or in a womb. I am not supporting war or abortion or the death penalty and I think we can do without all three.

So Saddam was given a Mandate by God??
Are you saying Kim Jung was given a mandate too? Him and his father have led for 50 years now. Same with Castro. And Castro has survived fifty years of US sanctions and attempted coups. Does that mean that Castro is a great leader with a mandate from God?