Painkillers for aborted babies? good or bad?

[lozina]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo


right, and if we catagorize sperm as half humans, people will have to stop masturbating and using contraception eh? my dogs more of a person then a 4 cell cluster.
i really hope your a vegan, being that anything living that you eat is vastly more complex and developed then most aborted fetus.

I'm glad you realize the conservative conspiracy as well... It's been made revealed in their campaign against pornography dating back to Larry Flynt. They're real agenda is to illegalize masturbation.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Romans828
A bill is gathering support in the Virginia legislature that would require unborn children be administered a painkiller before abortions are performed.

The legislation would require doctors to give fetuses pain medication during second- and third-trimester abortions

Assuming that we all understand that "fetus" feel pain who do you all feel about this?

Here is my thoughts...........

Since its a "womens right to choose" why not let they women decide about the painkiller? If she wants her child to "feel the whole experience" then who are we to tell her what to do no?

I think somehow the "womans" rights must be protected. Everyone should have the right to inflict as much pain as possible while murdering their baby.

I hope you notice how you want to inflict as much pain as you possibly can on aborting mothers. I can see where your self contempt could easily transfer on to them. You try to make them out to be exactly how you are, which, of course, is the bottom line in everything.

 

[Corn]

right, and if we catagorize sperm as half humans, people will have to stop masturbating and using contraception eh?

See, the funny thing is that sperm isn't human. Neither is an unfertailized egg. Your dog, while "appearing" more human than a "4 cell cluster" will never be human.

Yourself, however, does fit the description of "half human".

 

[NesuD]

Amazing to think that an unviable tissue mass could feel pain. Lets see My wife had to sign a relese before i could get a vasectomy But a womans right to choose whether to kill a viable fetus is her own and no one elses? thats absurd!

 

[SuperTool]

Why does it matter if the fetus is doped up or not? I thought if they suck the brains out there is nothing left to feel the pain
But either way is fine with me. I think legislators should stay out of the doctor's room. Or maybe they should have abortions in the legislature chambers so that politicians can tell doctors what to do.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: EXman
PottedMeat
you have 7 posts in 2 years and you post that crap? what a lame...

he's selective!

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: Romans828
A bill is gathering support in the Virginia legislature that would require unborn children be administered a painkiller before abortions are performed.

The legislation would require doctors to give fetuses pain medication during second- and third-trimester abortions

Assuming that we all understand that "fetus" feel pain who do you all feel about this?

Here is my thoughts...........

Since its a "womens right to choose" why not let they women decide about the painkiller? If she wants her child to "feel the whole experience" then who are we to tell her what to do no?

I think somehow the "womans" rights must be protected. Everyone should have the right to inflict as much pain as possible while murdering their baby.

Didn't you admit to being involved in an abortion?? Murderer. Hypocrite??

How about maybe, enlightened or experienced??

 

[beer]

Roe v. Wade only allowed for unrestricted first trimester abortions. Are we forgetting that?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Corn

right, and if we catagorize sperm as half humans, people will have to stop masturbating and using contraception eh?

See, the funny thing is that sperm isn't human. Neither is an unfertailized egg. Your dog, while "appearing" more human than a "4 cell cluster" will never be human.

Yourself, however, does fit the description of "half human".

pathetic. if a 4 cell cluster is human then so is the major contributor..sperm or egg. you draw the line arbitrarily where you want. it doesn't make it truth. if theres no difference from a baby, an adult and a 4 cell cluster, then theres no difference between a 4 cell cluster and a sperm, its all human, or half a human.

as for the dog, your speciest. catagorizing arbitrarily to justify your prejudice. i guess your no vegan, you don't see a cow or pigs life as sacred just because its not human. not all life is sacred huh? murder and justify when convenient by your own logic. capacity to think or feel is irrelevant to you. judgement is irrelevant to you. it is arbitrary and based on superstition.

 

[TheGameIs21]

I think the painkiller should be administered without the womans knowledge and as the procedure is performed (in cases of abortions for birthcontrol) the dr should tell the mother exactly what the baby is feeling at that moment.

"Ok ms jones, your fetus (that due to a recent law has no life unless you are murdered) is hearing the noise produced by the instruments. It is comforted though by the sound of your breathing and your heartbeat so it has no fear. Right about now it is wondering why it has a headache and is uncofortable. It's arm was just removed and your fetus is trying to scream in agony but your amnionic fluid is preventing any noise. Your fetus has just lost it's midsection but that's alright, your fetus dead from trauma and we are just removing the rest of it's parts for general purposes.

Alright, you look good to go, see you in 6 months after you let some other dope knock you up."

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Roe v. Wade only allowed for unrestricted first trimester abortions. Are we forgetting that?

Can we all agree that a woman should never have an abortion if she's going to feel guilty about it?

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Czesia

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
every human has a right to life. If we, as a society, don't have the democratic support to bring to law the right to life of a human ...

... then what are we doing?!"

the same thing we as humans have done for a very long time, defining humans as 'non persons' so as to benefit the utility of those who we define as having 'person-hood'.

Yup, like we do seeking a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.

I'll give you any sort of 'marriage' you want if we end this mass-slaughter of human children.

right, and if we categorize sperm as half humans, people will have to stop masturbating and using contraception eh? my dogs more of a person then a 4 cell cluster.

by definition a human has it's own genetic structure, sperm and egg cells aren't humans. But the unique human structure that is the human in the mothers womb, that meets all requirements for life, can only logical be said not to have a right to life if it has no 'person hood' which is the only argument you'll find can hold water.

my dogs more of a person then a 4 cell cluster.

I know you don't think thee living humans are have 'person hood' nor did the Nazi Germans consider Jews to have 'person hood' nor did slavers of the south consider the slaves to have 'person hood'.

my argument is that we should never call a human a non-person.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Why does it matter if the fetus is doped up or not? I thought if they suck the brains out there is nothing left to feel the pain
But either way is fine with me. I think legislators should stay out of the doctor's room. Or maybe they should have abortions in the legislature chambers so that politicians can tell doctors what to do.

it is real simple

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Why does it matter if the fetus is doped up or not? I thought if they suck the brains out there is nothing left to feel the pain
But either way is fine with me. I think legislators should stay out of the doctor's room. Or maybe they should have abortions in the legislature chambers so that politicians can tell doctors what to do.

it is real simple

WARNING NSFW

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Why does it matter if the fetus is doped up or not? I thought if they suck the brains out there is nothing left to feel the pain
But either way is fine with me. I think legislators should stay out of the doctor's room. Or maybe they should have abortions in the legislature chambers so that politicians can tell doctors what to do.

You are truly sick.
You bitch and moan just because you have to smell your neighbor's cigarette smoke but a baby who has a beating heart, fully functioning nervous system, fully developed sense of smell, taste, touch, pain, etc, normal sleeping cycles, doesn't even have the right to not have it's brain sucked out of it's head?

There is a big difference between a 4-cell cluster and a fully developed baby(call it a fetus if it makes you feel better) with the full capacity to feel pain.

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Why does it matter if the fetus is doped up or not? I thought if they suck the brains out there is nothing left to feel the pain
But either way is fine with me. I think legislators should stay out of the doctor's room. Or maybe they should have abortions in the legislature chambers so that politicians can tell doctors what to do.

it is real simple

WARNING NSFW

Thanks. I just emailed geocities abuse that page. It won't be up in a few days

You agree to not use the Service to:

(a) upload, post or otherwise transmit any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;

I guess this is yet another prochoice victory.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
40 million dead babies, brother this is the biggest issue of our time.

indeed, considering most every woman has had early miscarraiges they don't even notice(just looks like a heavy flow), something like 40% of conceptions result in such failure, there must be more then a billion dead babies by Gods hand, the greatest abortionist ever! Murderer!! Baby Killer!! he must die!! i'll pay for the sniper bullet! i'll paypal, he must die!

the same thing we as humans have done for a very long time, defining humans as 'non persons' so as to benefit the utility of those who we define as having 'person-hood'.

right, and if we catagorize sperm as half humans, people will have to stop masturbating and using contraception eh? my dogs more of a person then a 4 cell cluster.
i really hope your a vegan, being that anything living that you eat is vastly more complex and developed then most any aborted fetus.

There is a huge difference between an early miscarriage and a fully developed 6 month gestation fetus.
But I guess lumping them together makes your argument more logical.

Do you know at what gestational age the fetus has a beating heart and measurable brain waves?

 

[TheGameIs21]

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Why does it matter if the fetus is doped up or not? I thought if they suck the brains out there is nothing left to feel the pain
But either way is fine with me. I think legislators should stay out of the doctor's room. Or maybe they should have abortions in the legislature chambers so that politicians can tell doctors what to do.

it is real simple

WARNING NSFW

Thanks. I just emailed geocities abuse that page. It won't be up in a few days

You agree to not use the Service to:

(a) upload, post or otherwise transmit any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;

"objectionable" You are upset because he posted the truth about the procedure? I guess you would prefer him to post just the following?

when you have an abortion, a medical professional is there

and leave it at that? People like you that find this type of thing abusive but have no problem with the action it is bringing to attention are pathetic.

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21


"objectionable" You are upset because he posted the truth about the procedure? I guess you would prefer him to post just the following?

when you have an abortion, a medical professional is there

and leave it at that? People like you that find this type of thing abusive but have no problem with the action it is bringing to attention are pathetic.

If there's one thing that brings out the fanatics in this forum it is abortion threads. Personally I find it amusing how a bunch of nitwits like yourselves recycle the same sh!t that has been said for twenty five years and expect anyone to change their opinion. I already go to a university where this sort of thing goes on continiously and it's the same sh!t, over and over again. You have complete whackjobs like bugsbunny advocating the murder of abortion doctors and then you post sh!t like this knowing that it is not suitable for work or school where many people do browse and comment on these forums. Personally for entertainment I like to sit here with a lawn chair, beer and peanuts and watch fanatics like yourself try with all your might to prove your moral superiority and I laugh because it is completely in vain. Do you think that you're going to change anyone's opinion, especially here, and especially by posting crap like that? You're no better at accomplishing your goals than a Muslim fanatic working for Hamas who's going to blow himself up on a bus fuill of commuters and children in some vain attempt for a Palestinian state.

Argument through emotion and inflammatory propoganda is equally worthless, both for you and Hamas.

Personally I'm glad they moved whackos like most of the people in this thread out of offtopic. Now if I only had a neutron bomb...

 

[TheGameIs21]

From your illogical post, you have already begun drinking....

The only thing I was commenting on was the idiocy of people like you getting frustrated over someone posting the facts about a medical procedure... I wasn't pushing my beliefs on anyone. I didn't expect anyone to object to the procedure. None of my posts in this thread even hint to that.

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
From your illogical post, you have already begun drinking....

The only thing I was commenting on was the idiocy of people like you getting frustrated over someone posting the facts about a medical procedure... I wasn't pushing my beliefs on anyone. I didn't expect anyone to object to the procedure. None of my posts in this thread even hint to that.

My bad. I see that it wasn't you that posted the link, but merely defended the posting. I had initially assumed you were the original poster of the link.

Nonetheless these forums have rules that need to be followed and that is certainly not postable material.

EDIT: And I still maintain that arguing abortion on an internet message board tailored to geeks is an exercise in futility. Even moreso than politics, which, in general, tend to fall in the same category albeit to a lesser extent.

 

[TheGameIs21]

Not being safe for work shouldn't have any thing to do with someone having this info on geocities. I agree that he should have posted NSFW when linking that site. But to complain to geocities about the site is rediculous.

thanks for the recant, and to continue the warm fuzzies... I am sorry for saying "idiocy of people like you".....

[edit]
and to add the list of things that really just shouldn't be brought up on BBS's
1. Abortion
2. Politics
3. "is this rape"
4. How hot is my girlfriend

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Not being safe for work shouldn't have any thing to do with someone having this info on geocities. I agree that he should have posted NSFW when linking that site. But to complain to geocities about the site is rediculous.

thanks for the recant, and to continue the warm fuzzies... I am sorry for saying "idiocy of people like you".....

[edit]
and to add the list of things that really just shouldn't be brought up on BBS's
1. Abortion
2. Politics
3. "is this rape"
4. How hot is my girlfriend

People can talk about all they want. I am not saying otherwise, although some topics are more futile than others. At least when it comes to politics, debate can influence the individual voter. The individual voter can then take all the viewpoints and elect officials. Abortion threads in particular do not have this effect. There are nine people in this country that can change the way abortion is headed and I can guarantee you, none of them read internet message boards. Nor do they can what extremists or even the majority preceive as morally correct or religiously sound. And guess what? You don't vote for 'em.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Romans828
A bill is gathering support in the Virginia legislature that would require unborn children be administered a painkiller before abortions are performed.

The legislation would require doctors to give fetuses pain medication during second- and third-trimester abortions

Assuming that we all understand that "fetus" feel pain who do you all feel about this?

Here is my thoughts...........

Since its a "womens right to choose" why not let they women decide about the painkiller? If she wants her child to "feel the whole experience" then who are we to tell her what to do no?

I think somehow the "womans" rights must be protected. Everyone should have the right to inflict as much pain as possible while murdering their baby.

Don't you and bugs have an anti-abortion rally to go to? Maybe a protest against the Girl Scouts? A Christian bake-sale? Anything that will get you out of here and not posting would work just fine. Thanks.

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey


Don't you and bugs have an anti-abortion rally to go to? Maybe a protest against the Girl Scouts? A Christian bake-sale? Anything that will get you out of here and not posting would work just fine. Thanks.

:beer::beer:

 

[FrodoB]

I truly believe that the abortionists are at a lower level of evolution. Their justifications are primitive.