P&N atmosphere

[spittledip]

I am just wondering why people are allowed to be so rude to one another and insult one another on P&N. It is really a very hateful place. I understand sometime sit can be entertaining to be rude I suppose, but it might be a bit harmful for people to exercise such vitriol on such a regular basis. And let me say beforehand, that any comment such as "If you don't like it, stay out!" is not helpful. I do like to read the comments as it is good to see different perspectives etc etc.



I think this thread demonstrates why P&N is the way it is, hands off moderating (as instructed by Derek) and foul tempered members.


That said, this thread has run it's course and now will be locked.

Anandtech Senior Moderator
Red Dawn

 

[Greenman]

Since the mods are as guilty as everyone else, the rules are a bit more relaxed.
On a personal note, I'd say just don't bother with P&N. It's all about hate and blame, with very little intelligent commentary.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: Greenman
Since the mods are as guilty as everyone else, the rules are a bit more relaxed.
On a personal note, I'd say just don't bother with P&N. It's all about hate and blame, with very little intelligent commentary.

I agree. I hardly ever go in there. The OT level of nastiness is just about right for me.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: Greenman
On a personal note, I'd say just don't bother with P&N. It's all about hate and blame, with very little intelligent commentary.

Can't argue with that.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Greenman
Since the mods are as guilty as everyone else, the rules are a bit more relaxed.
On a personal note, I'd say just don't bother with P&N. It's all about hate and blame, with very little intelligent commentary.

It doesn't have to be this way and I am wondering if there is some reason why it is this way.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: Greenman
Since the mods are as guilty as everyone else, the rules are a bit more relaxed.
On a personal note, I'd say just don't bother with P&N. It's all about hate and blame, with very little intelligent commentary.

It doesn't have to be this way and I am wondering if there is some reason why it is this way.

There are several partisan hack trolls that ruin P&N. They are rude and become even more emboldened when someone challenges them. The rules go out the window to an extent as well.

 

[ProfJohn]

It is that way because the MODs allow it to be that way.

Compare P&N to L&R and look at the total difference in tone. L&R is the way it is because the MODs in their don't allow it to get out of hand. But in P&N people just turn their heads and say 'that's just the way it is'

It also doesn't help that some of the most partisan and hateful posters in P&N happen to be MODs themselves. It sets a bad tone for the whole place.

 

[ProfJohn]

The sad thing is that it doesn't have to be that way.

Just outlaw the name calling, insults and excessive trolling and see what happens.

Force members to behave like adults or send them packing. And make sure the rules apply to all members equally too.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
It is that way because the MODs allow it to be that way.

Compare P&N to L&R and look at the total difference in tone. L&R is the way it is because the MODs in their don't allow it to get out of hand. But in P&N people just turn their heads and say 'that's just the way it is'

It also doesn't help that some of the most partisan and hateful posters in P&N happen to be MODs themselves. It sets a bad tone for the whole place.

It could also be that some members aren't looking for a discussion, instead are looking to vent with their topic - and when they get called on their facts and are pressed to go into further detail, they simply avoid dealing with it by crying Mod discrimination - or they just ignore the debate put to them...

/as to the OP, P&N has its good points and bad points - it also depends on the viewer to separate the wheat from the chaff.....
//name calling means nothing, unless you let it....

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: Number1
The OT level of nastiness is just about right for me.

hey hey...

we don't get THAT bad in OT.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The sad thing is that it doesn't have to be that way.

Just outlaw the name calling, insults and excessive trolling and see what happens.

Force members to behave like adults or send them packing. And make sure the rules apply to all members equally too.

damn! If that would have happened you would have been banned long ago.

 

[Greenman]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The sad thing is that it doesn't have to be that way.

Just outlaw the name calling, insults and excessive trolling and see what happens.

Force members to behave like adults or send them packing. And make sure the rules apply to all members equally too.

That's where your system is going to fall apart, and it's why P&N has to be a shit hole. There is no one to watch the watchers.
If they really wanted it to work, the mods wouldn't be allowed to post anything in P&N. That ain't never going to happen.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: Greenman

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The sad thing is that it doesn't have to be that way.

Just outlaw the name calling, insults and excessive trolling and see what happens.

Force members to behave like adults or send them packing. And make sure the rules apply to all members equally too.

That's where your system is going to fall apart, and it's why P&N has to be a shit hole. There is no one to watch the watchers.
If they really wanted it to work, the mods wouldn't be allowed to post anything in P&N. That ain't never going to happen.

P&N is what it has to be - you can chose to rise above it, or sink into it...

/otherwise, P&N isn't your little rant blog - as it isn't mine as well...
//so be ready to debate your viewpoint

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The sad thing is that it doesn't have to be that way.

Just outlaw the name calling, insults and excessive trolling and see what happens.

Force members to behave like adults or send them packing. And make sure the rules apply to all members equally too.

damn! If that would have happened you would have been banned long ago.

Really now... find a few examples of me throwing around insults or calling people names.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Greenman

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The sad thing is that it doesn't have to be that way.

Just outlaw the name calling, insults and excessive trolling and see what happens.

Force members to behave like adults or send them packing. And make sure the rules apply to all members equally too.

That's where your system is going to fall apart, and it's why P&N has to be a shit hole. There is no one to watch the watchers.
If they really wanted it to work, the mods wouldn't be allowed to post anything in P&N. That ain't never going to happen.

You know why? Because they wouldn't be able to find anybody to moderate that forum if the Mods weren't allowed to post there. Even without the name calling and insults P&N is hateful place, the Right and Left hate each other and the Moderates hate them both. It's a blame game. ProJo says he doesn't insult or call people names, he's right he doesn't. What he is though is a partisan hack who posts threads whose purpose is to incite those who have a different opinion than him and he's not the only one that does it. When you piss people off they aren't going to behave civilly.

 

[guyver01]

two kinds of discussions that will never occurr civilly:
Politics
Religion

when it comes down to it... everyone is a fanatic on one side or the other.

to expect a civil discussion from two different, very strong minded and stubborn sides... just will never happen... it will always degrade down to name calling.

if you don't like it... don't visit or open threads like those.

plain and simple.

 

[moshquerade]

It doesn't have to be like it is. People can talk politics civilly without rudeness and name calling. Anyone who balks at that statement is part of the problem.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
It doesn't have to be like it is. People can talk politics civilly without rudeness and name calling. Anyone who balks at that statement is part of the problem.

True it can be done but that would exclude 95% of those who post in P&N.

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
People can talk politics civilly without rudeness and name calling.

people.. yes.
individuals.. yes
mobs.. no

ultimately, when it comes down to it... P&N is a mob discussion.


People are civil
Mobs are not.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The sad thing is that it doesn't have to be that way.

Just outlaw the name calling, insults and excessive trolling and see what happens.

Force members to behave like adults or send them packing. And make sure the rules apply to all members equally too.

damn! If that would have happened you would have been banned long ago.

I've always admired how well PJ kept his cool under such harsh circumstances. He doesn't troll, he sticks to the topic, and I don't ever recall him personally attacking anyone. But your response is a classic example of what's wrong with P&N. When someone says something you don't like or agree with, attack them from every angle possible, right? Well played, sir... well played.

These days P&N is little more than a cesspool of ignorance and partisan hate. I've pretty much given up on it.

Originally posted by: Greenman
That's where your system is going to fall apart, and it's why P&N has to be a shit hole. There is no one to watch the watchers.

If you only knew the irony behind that .

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
ProJo says he doesn't insult or call people names, he's right he doesn't. What he is though is a partisan hack who posts threads whose purpose is to incite those who have a different opinion than him

EVERYONE in there is a partisan hack, Red. It's telling that you still can't refrain from excusing PJ's treatment in there just because you don't agree with his views. He has always remained civil. Everyone in there has an agenda, but only few can interact with others who have agendas without reverting to the glory days of the pacifier.

 

[chalmers]

I'm not sure why people get so angry over politics.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: chalmers
I'm not sure why people get so angry over politics.

Decisions made by our government affect most people financially and morally. So right off the bat, the subject hits home. Then add in the fact that many people do not handle dissent well, and you have a volatile mixture. People who are interested in politics usually feel that they've arrived at their own personal beliefs through a logical process. When that process is challenged by someone who disagrees with their views, some people feel personally insulted. Sometimes it even forces them to confront the notion that what they've believed all along may not actually be correct or the best solution to a certain problem.

I'm sure you've heard of children's "terrible twos". It's a stage of development that is particularly difficult for toddlers (and parents!) because of the fits and tantrums. It occurs because it's the first time a recognizes that mommy, daddy, brother, sister, and playmates don't all have the same needs and desires that they do, and it's so overwhelming and unsettling to them that they break down emotionally. When it comes to politics, I'm convinced that some people still cannot handle/tolerate knowing that not everyone is "smart enough" to agree with them.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: chalmers
I'm not sure why people get so angry over politics.

Decisions made by our government affect most people financially and morally. So right off the bat, the subject hits home. Then add in the fact that many people do not handle dissent well, and you have a volatile mixture. People who are interested in politics usually feel that they've arrived at their own personal beliefs through a logical process. When that process is challenged by someone who disagrees with their views, some people feel personally insulted. Sometimes it even forces them to confront the notion that what they've believed all along may not actually be correct or the best solution to a certain problem.

I'm sure you've heard of children's "terrible twos". It's a stage of development that is particularly difficult for toddlers (and parents!) because of the fits and tantrums. It occurs because it's the first time a recognizes that mommy, daddy, brother, sister, and playmates don't all have the same needs and desires that they do, and it's so overwhelming and unsettling to them that they break down emotionally. When it comes to politics, I'm convinced that some people still cannot handle/tolerate knowing that not everyone is "smart enough" to agree with them.

Wow. If only you could turn this sharp analytical eye onto yourself.

So, everybody else is fucked up except you (and ProfJohn; hope the reach around is reciprocated). Got it.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: chalmers
I'm not sure why people get so angry over politics.

Decisions made by our government affect most people financially and morally. So right off the bat, the subject hits home. Then add in the fact that many people do not handle dissent well, and you have a volatile mixture. People who are interested in politics usually feel that they've arrived at their own personal beliefs through a logical process. When that process is challenged by someone who disagrees with their views, some people feel personally insulted. Sometimes it even forces them to confront the notion that what they've believed all along may not actually be correct or the best solution to a certain problem.

I'm sure you've heard of children's "terrible twos". It's a stage of development that is particularly difficult for toddlers (and parents!) because of the fits and tantrums. It occurs because it's the first time a recognizes that mommy, daddy, brother, sister, and playmates don't all have the same needs and desires that they do, and it's so overwhelming and unsettling to them that they break down emotionally. When it comes to politics, I'm convinced that some people still cannot handle/tolerate knowing that not everyone is "smart enough" to agree with them.

Wow. If only you could turn this sharp analytical eye onto yourself.

So, everybody else is fucked up except you (and ProfJohn; hope the reach around is reciprocated). Got it.

No need to bring P&N here, SR. I don't flip out just because someone disagrees with me. I can handle disagreement just fine. It honestly doesn't bother me. What bothers me are unjustified and repeated personal attacks. Granted, I'm easily goaded by them and typically find myself in the middle of them after little bait, but I'm quite capable of admitting this and it's actually why I visit P&N less and less. However, I believe the biggest problem in P&N - and politics - is what I described above.

But hey, congratulations on breaking the seal on four letter words, personal attacks, and gutter innuendo in this thread. If you see yourself in what's being described here, don't blame us. Either way, take it back to P&N.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: chalmers
I'm not sure why people get so angry over politics.

Decisions made by our government affect most people financially and morally. So right off the bat, the subject hits home. Then add in the fact that many people do not handle dissent well, and you have a volatile mixture. People who are interested in politics usually feel that they've arrived at their own personal beliefs through a logical process. When that process is challenged by someone who disagrees with their views, some people feel personally insulted. Sometimes it even forces them to confront the notion that what they've believed all along may not actually be correct or the best solution to a certain problem.

I'm sure you've heard of children's "terrible twos". It's a stage of development that is particularly difficult for toddlers (and parents!) because of the fits and tantrums. It occurs because it's the first time a recognizes that mommy, daddy, brother, sister, and playmates don't all have the same needs and desires that they do, and it's so overwhelming and unsettling to them that they break down emotionally. When it comes to politics, I'm convinced that some people still cannot handle/tolerate knowing that not everyone is "smart enough" to agree with them.

Wow. If only you could turn this sharp analytical eye onto yourself.

So, everybody else is fucked up except you (and ProfJohn; hope the reach around is reciprocated). Got it.

No need to bring P&N here, SR. I don't flip out just because someone disagrees with me. I can handle disagreement just fine. It honestly doesn't bother me. What bothers me are unjustified and repeated personal attacks. Granted, I'm easily goaded by them and typically find myself in the middle of them after little bait, but I'm quite capable of admitting this and it's actually why I visit P&N less and less. However, I believe the biggest problem in P&N - and politics - is what I described above.

But hey, congratulations on breaking the seal on four letter words, personal attacks, and gutter innuendo in this thread. If you see yourself in what's being described here, don't blame us. Either way, take it back to P&N.

Wow. If only you could turn this sharp analytical eye onto yourself.