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Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: chalmers
Another enjoyable morning of people arguing, thanks. I'll check back tomorrow. I expect another page or two of meaningless arguments for my amusement.
Hey if you enjoyed those meaningless arguments you should head down to P&N, ti's full of them

Yeah, just don't forget to boil yourself when you're done.
 

spittledip

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Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: spittledip
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: spittledip
I am just wondering why people are allowed to be so rude to one another and insult one another on P&N.
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This is often a topic of discussion by the moderator group. It's tough to know where to draw the line, and no matter where you draw it someone's gonna be unhappy. I'll point out we now have others complaining about over-moderation in OT.

BTW: I'm speaking only for myself as a moderator in P&N and not in any official capacity.

Fern

I don't think there should be different standards for different forum sections. Why should people be made to be more civil in one section than another? People get heated about all types of disagreements. Think of what video would turn into if it were not heavily moderated? As silly as it might seem, people feel as strongly about Nvidia and ATI (AMD) as they do about politics. But somehow the mods are able to "help" people to stay somewhat civil there. If it can be done in one forum section, it can be done in another.

There is an untruth that many people believe, and has been mentioned in this very thread a couple of times already: that people of differing opinions in politics cannot talk civilly about politics: therefore, just let it be and let people say what they want b/c it will just descend into filth anyway. Is that really the case? As I pointed out before, there are many posters in P&N who consistently are able to post without becoming offensive- people from all sides of the arguments. If many can do it, what prevents the rest?
So, you equate the situations where a father has a son in a war about which the basic premise is disputed, and whether you and JoeVideoBlow agree on which new gpu is best?

I think you'd be hard pressed to give many examples of posters who are actually expressing deeply held opinions and aren't at least pissy if not down right aggressive sometimes. I'm not going to go back through your posts, but if someone was, what would be found? No offense intended, but I keep thinking about rodney king.

I did not say I equate the content of video to P&N, I said that if video had the same rules as P&N, people would act the same there as they do in P&N. The point being, if the rules are in place, people will live up to them b/c they have no choice.. or get banned.

As far as my own behavior, I am sure I have said some regrettable things in the past, but I have no problem following new rules if they are set up. Truth is, I probably have behaved worse in Off Topic than in P&N. I don't go there much anymore. Once I received a warning in P&N b/c I called out a mod or something like that. I found out that i wasn't supposed to be doing that :D

If people cannot express deeply held views without becoming insulting, then they probably need to check themselves anyway. What is the point of holding an important view if your actions conflict with what you supposedly believe? Of course room should be allowed for growth/maturing (in the context of my last point, not in the context of P&N). It is usually the ego that usually prompts the anger, not a deep-set commitment to a belief.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: moshquerade

I also understand that no matter what I say someone is going to mock it, defeat it, twist it, or anything otherwise, to suit their own agenda. Some of you are very seasoned at doing this. ;)
As are you
As are you, right? :confused:

This thread needs to be locked because, as per usual, people like yourself can't help themselves when they see an opportunity to add a jab.

The original poster was asking why personal attacks of such magnitude are allowed in P&N.
Your comment didn't add anything.

 

spittledip

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Originally posted by: seemingly random

And, you're right about the seasoned seasoning others. The great thing about p&n is that not only are people allowed to express thoughts and feelings maybe never before expressed, is that everyone, including the most seasoned, gets caught sometimes. No one is immune. In the process of this expression, some people's thoughts and feelings about issues have been known to change or be clarified. This can't be a bad thing.

Thoughts and feelings can be expressed in non-insulting and non-rude ways.
 

spittledip

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
The measure of P&N can not be gauged by its atmosphere, but rather by its success.
I would venture a guess, that among all political forums, the statistics would show that the Anandtech political forum atmosphere is exactly where it needs to be.
If you don't like it, stay out!

So we set our standard of behavior based upon the behavior at other forums where the people are poorly behaved? Status quo is not always a good thing.. and is often a bad thing.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: spittledip
Originally posted by: seemingly random

And, you're right about the seasoned seasoning others. The great thing about p&n is that not only are people allowed to express thoughts and feelings maybe never before expressed, is that everyone, including the most seasoned, gets caught sometimes. No one is immune. In the process of this expression, some people's thoughts and feelings about issues have been known to change or be clarified. This can't be a bad thing.

Thoughts and feelings can be expressed in non-insulting and non-rude ways.

Some people can't grasp this, and it's a waste of time trying to convince them.
 

seemingly random

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Originally posted by: spittledip
Originally posted by: seemingly random

And, you're right about the seasoned seasoning others. The great thing about p&n is that not only are people allowed to express thoughts and feelings maybe never before expressed, is that everyone, including the most seasoned, gets caught sometimes. No one is immune. In the process of this expression, some people's thoughts and feelings about issues have been known to change or be clarified. This can't be a bad thing.

Thoughts and feelings can be expressed in non-insulting and non-rude ways.
Sure they can and indeed are in p&n. But sometimes they're not. So what? You can't be this sensitive. My opinion is that the people who are this sensitive should spend the most time in p&n so as to become desensitized to taunts. It could help them deal with things in their daily lives.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: moshquerade

I also understand that no matter what I say someone is going to mock it, defeat it, twist it, or anything otherwise, to suit their own agenda. Some of you are very seasoned at doing this. ;)
As are you
As are you, right? :confused:

This thread needs to be locked because, as per usual, people like yourself can't help themselves when they see an opportunity to add a jab.

The original poster was asking why personal attacks of such magnitude are allowed in P&N.
Your comment didn't add anything.
Listen to you "people like yourself can't help themselves when they see an opportunity to add a jab." This after you included your own jab at others. And let us not forget your characterization in another thread in PFI regarding P&N of those who happen to disagree with you as "Sack Riders". I'm not saying that I don't partake in jabs and light insults but you aren't innocent of it either yet you always act as if you are above the fray and that's total nonsense. You are what you condemn.



 

rise

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Originally posted by: seemingly random
My opinion is that the people who are this sensitive should spend the most time in p&n so as to become desensitized to taunts. It could help them deal with things in their daily lives.
:roll:

except in your daily life you'd keep your mouth shut or take the beating you deserve.
 

seemingly random

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Originally posted by: rise
Originally posted by: seemingly random
My opinion is that the people who are this sensitive should spend the most time in p&n so as to become desensitized to taunts. It could help them deal with things in their daily lives.
:roll:

except in your daily life you'd keep your mouth shut or take the beating you deserve.
I wasn't trying to be mean. Are you?
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: rise
Originally posted by: seemingly random
My opinion is that the people who are this sensitive should spend the most time in p&n so as to become desensitized to taunts. It could help them deal with things in their daily lives.
:roll:

except in your daily life you'd keep your mouth shut or take the beating you deserve.

Was thinking the same thing, but figured I'd just be accused of being an Internet Tough Guy. I've long suspected that a number of the hostile, ill-tempered posters in P&N are simply using the forum as their only available means to asserting themselves.
 

seemingly random

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: rise
Originally posted by: seemingly random
My opinion is that the people who are this sensitive should spend the most time in p&n so as to become desensitized to taunts. It could help them deal with things in their daily lives.
:roll:

except in your daily life you'd keep your mouth shut or take the beating you deserve.

Was thinking the same thing, but figured I'd just be accused of being an Internet Tough Guy. I've long suspected that a number of the hostile, ill-tempered posters in P&N are simply using the forum as their only available means to asserting themselves.
No, you'll never be thought of as an internet tough guy. Maybe an authoritarian wannabe.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: rise
Originally posted by: seemingly random
My opinion is that the people who are this sensitive should spend the most time in p&n so as to become desensitized to taunts. It could help them deal with things in their daily lives.
:roll:

except in your daily life you'd keep your mouth shut or take the beating you deserve.

Was thinking the same thing, but figured I'd just be accused of being an Internet Tough Guy. I've long suspected that a number of the hostile, ill-tempered posters in P&N are simply using the forum as their only available means to asserting themselves.
No, you'll never be thought of as an internet tough guy. Maybe an authoritarian wannabe.

What's with the constant flow of acid and anger? It's one thing to fill P&N to the brim with it, but it looks like you can't have a conversation anywhere about anything without feeling the need to prove you're not inferior to somebody. If we're playing name games, you're seemingly miserable.
 

olds

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Originally posted by: spittledip
I am just wondering why people are allowed to be so rude to one another and insult one another on P&N. ...
This ever get answered or are people too busy bagging on each other?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: spittledip
I am just wondering why people are allowed to be so rude to one another and insult one another on P&N. ...
This ever get answered or are people too busy bagging on each other?
LOL, I think this thread demonstrates why P&N is the way it is, hands off moderating and foul tempered members.


That said, this thread has run it's course and now will be locked.
 

seemingly random

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: rise
Originally posted by: seemingly random
My opinion is that the people who are this sensitive should spend the most time in p&n so as to become desensitized to taunts. It could help them deal with things in their daily lives.
:roll:

except in your daily life you'd keep your mouth shut or take the beating you deserve.

Was thinking the same thing, but figured I'd just be accused of being an Internet Tough Guy. I've long suspected that a number of the hostile, ill-tempered posters in P&N are simply using the forum as their only available means to asserting themselves.
No, you'll never be thought of as an internet tough guy. Maybe an authoritarian wannabe.

What's with the constant flow of acid and anger? It's one thing to fill P&N to the brim with it, but it looks like you can't have a conversation anywhere about anything without feeling the need to prove you're not inferior to somebody. If we're playing name games, you're seemingly miserable.
Do you honestly not see yourself in the mirror with the majority of these kinds of comments?

And, 'seemingly miserable' is a good one. I'll have to think about it to see if it's seemingly accurate or miserably unseemly.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: moshquerade

I also understand that no matter what I say someone is going to mock it, defeat it, twist it, or anything otherwise, to suit their own agenda. Some of you are very seasoned at doing this. ;)
As are you
As are you, right? :confused:

This thread needs to be locked because, as per usual, people like yourself can't help themselves when they see an opportunity to add a jab.

The original poster was asking why personal attacks of such magnitude are allowed in P&N.
Your comment didn't add anything.
Listen to you "people like yourself can't help themselves when they see an opportunity to add a jab." This after you included your own jab at others. And let us not forget your characterization in another thread in PFI regarding P&N of those who happen to disagree with you as "Sack Riders". I'm not saying that I don't partake in jabs and light insults but you aren't innocent of it either yet you always act as if you are above the fray and that's total nonsense. You are what you condemn.

Shut up Red. I am tired of taking it from you, and if I never had to defend myself to you ever again it would be too soon.

I never claimed I was innocent. I am NOT as bad as you guys are in P&N though. No where near it.