I've never seen such on the Internet with its curtain of anonymity, except with some extremely heavy-handed moderation.
I've never seen such on the Internet with its curtain of anonymity, except with some extremely heavy-handed moderation.
It's funny that you keep repeating this. It seems that the last time you and I interacted, I was actually admitting fault to someone else and you wanted to play Troll:
Of course, the thread died at that point: you were allowed the last word
.Son, you are central to the problem being described, as evidenced there and here. Don't expect any more replies from me.
To be honest, I've not seen such "IRL" either. I have friends and family from both sides of the aisle who are quite passionate about their beliefs, and whenever politics comes up it rarely ends well. Other than my wife, I refuse to get into any deep political discussion with people I care about, even if we agree. It either turns into wanton bashing of people who aren't there to defend themselves, or it turns into wanton bashing of the people right there in the room. Lose/lose.
I think the P&N rules stipulating OP commentary and fact-base thread titles were a step in the right direction, but I think it needs to be followed up with rules stipulating some level of civility. This past election cycle saw a particularly low level of civility, which the mods stated would be tolerated because it was an election cycle, but I don't think the forum ever really recovered. That hostility became the norm.
And there it is. This was a discussion, ideas were being exchanged, the views of others were being examined, but you couldn't allow that. You had to bring sarcasm, foul language and lewd rhetoric into the mix. In a properly moderated forum you'd be excluded from the thread.
... and, as a member, yes, you're biased. You selectively apply standards, just like everyone else does. You say PJ is a partisan hack, but propped up against most of P&N, he's a Nobel Peace Prize candidate. Yes, he has an agenda. Name one person in there who doesn't. He (and PJABBER, while we're on it) gets called out for posting content that he's selected to support his stance. It's hilarious that he's chided for it; he's a partisan hack for not doing the opposition's work for them. At least he does it in a civil manner that doesn't rely on insults and shouting to deliver a message; it's done in a manner conducive to discussion, regardless of whether you think he has an agenda and has filtered his sources. That's what this thread is about. Unfortunately, in P&N, it's not about who poses the best argument, but rather who can rally the largest mob and lob the most insults.
Fair enough :thumbsup: . FWIW, I honestly was not speaking to the actions of Red Dawn the moderator, but rather Red Dawn the poster.
It directly reflects the vitriol and fear mongering of the loudest proponents of the two primary parties. It reflects a small, but disgusting segment of society.
edit - fixed jacked quotes
This really isn't the place to be calling out mods- from what I understand that is a bannable offense. The mods, when posting as "posters" have every right to act the same as everybody else. They obey the rules that they have established. Occasionally they might show some bias in modding a thread, but this is to be expected from humans.
This does not mean that new rules can't be established. It is also silly to think that people can't discuss news/politics in a civil manner. If anyone has noticed, there are many posters in P&N who post without being rude or insulting. What that means is that choosing to not be insulting is just that- a choice. If some people can make that choice, then everyone can make that choice. Some people might not want to make that choice, but that is what rules are for.
This does not mean that new rules can't be established. It is also silly to think that people can't discuss news/politics in a civil manner. If anyone has noticed, there are many posters in P&N who post without being rude or insulting. What that means is that choosing to not be insulting is just that- a choice. If some people can make that choice, then everyone can make that choice. Some people might not want to make that choice, but that is what rules are for.
Fern
Elite Member
- Sep 30, 2003
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This is often a topic of discussion by the moderator group. It's tough to know where to draw the line, and no matter where you draw it someone's gonna be unhappy. I'll point out we now have others complaining about over-moderation in OT.
BTW: I'm speaking only for myself as a moderator in P&N and not in any offical capacity.
Fern
The moderation in the thread dissing women was entirely justified. A wake-up call was in order. The only thing that should have been different is that harvey should have called the mothers and informed them how their sons 'joke around' about women. Sorry guys - you were going down an ugly path and needed to be smacked...
JEDIYoda
Lifer
- Jul 13, 2005
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Actually you are totally wrong!!! You disclaimer at the end is bogus!
As guyver01 stated -- two kinds of discussions that will never occurr civilly:
Politics
Religion
when it comes down to it... everyone is a fanatic on one side or the other.
to expect a civil discussion from two different, very strong minded and stubborn sides... just will never happen... it will always degrade down to name calling.
if you don't like it... don't visit or open threads like those.
plain and simple.
Go read some of the more inflamatory posts....see where the thread starts to break down....
Also one thing the mods have done recently to get a hand on the out and out lies that permeate P&N is to make the OP of threads accountable for not mis-representing the title of the thread and for not allowing the Op`s to out and out lie in order to create instant threrad havoc!!.
Chaotic42
Lifer
- Jun 15, 2001
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I notice you post similar things in just about every thread in this forum. While that's certainly the most stress-free way to handle it, voicing concerns and displaying problems can make the forums better for everyone.
Also, as someone's sig almost-says, we're all customers. It's our policy to bitch.
Linflas
Lifer
- Jan 30, 2001
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How about you go take a look at that Bob Novak death thread? If you can't read that and see where the line has been crossed then you must be blind. I can guarantee you when Ted Kennedy passes due to his bout with brain cancer the types of comments seen in that thread will result in vacations. It is even more disgusting than I expected to find when I learned of his passing today.
moshquerade
No Lifer
- Nov 1, 2001
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I have to ask you... what are you even talking about?Originally posted by: seemingly random
This has to be one the dumbest posts I've ever read...
So, when did you stop beating your cat?
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