P-4 puts Thunderbird to shame !!!!!!!!!!!

[NOS440]

WoodchuckCharlie grab a cup of java this is going to take ya a while . I think I have a record here LOL !!!

Man is that your sight in your sig thats cool as hell. Also what's the linken park thing are we talking Linclon Park Michigan ???

 

[ottawanker]

stupid teamanandtech people made me do it:

SMP

p4 doesnt support it, and apparantly intel doesn't have plans to implement it.

that was always a major selling point of the intel chips..

now amd is coming out with multi-processor solutions for some really powerful chips (thunderbird, etc).
while the p4 may be competitive (yet highly overprice imho) in the desktop market, it apparantly will not be competitive at all in the server market. amd will soon take control of the budget and mid-level server markets, and may move into the high-end market quickly as well.

im betting that a multiproccessor athlon 1.2 overclocked to 1.4 or 1.5 will really whoop a p4 in quake 3, even if quake 3 is not a very good multiprocessed application. and a dual 1.2 athlon system will be cheaper too. add to that twice or 3 times the ram for the same price (or an nv20 and the same amount of ram), and there you go.

 

[ottawanker]

intel plans on changing the motherboard for p4s at the end of 2000 or beginning of 2001 i hear..

Also, im sure i could live with my athlon at 1.2 ghz for the rest of my life running windows 2000, but in the future, i might want to run windows 2010, who knows?

Also, rambus and the p4 are not a match made in heaven. Sure the memory bandwidth is really high as reported by something like SiSoft Sandra, but that doesn't take into account the way increased latency that rambus has. In real life, you're never going to just transfer 256 mbs of data through ram, you're going to be getting little pieces and swapping it around, which is exactly what rambus is no good at. Synthetic benchmarks are just that, synthetic.

Maybe you're just trying to have the fastest system in SiSoft or something like that, but if not, it doesn't seem useful to me. (My athlon at 7*145 kills the p4 1.5 at everything except the memory in SiSoft, that must mean its the fastest chip ever made!!!)

 

[NOS440]

ottawanker do you have any clue what your talking about ?? The short coming of rambus were very true with the P-3. But the P-4 system is completely designed for Rambus from the gound up this is not only the 850 Chipset But the CPU itself. The 850 chipset is not all that different then the 840. You just don't get it. Your basing your statements on what was true for the P-3/rambus nightmare with the P-4 which works perfect with rambus. I suggest you go read all the reviews of the P-4 you will find other than bashing the price the performance bashing that existed with the p-3 reviews aren't there anymore and Toms Hardware even praised it and he was the biggest Basher there was back when the 820/840 P-3 were released.


As far as SMP you may need it but I don't spending my time running RTC5/Seti is a big waste of Electicity

 

[TELeast]

Without reading the entire threat to see if anyone posted the below link...here it is:
http://www.xpnet.com/

check this place out. A formal Intel Engineer has spoken...and without knowing the full story myself, I believe what he published probably costed him his job at Intel.

can't wait till I get my TBird and laugh at my friends who all go out to buy P4...

 

[NOS440]

Unless your a SMP dual processor user under Win 2K his statements are meaningless and these statements are made after he was fired. So you decide if they mean anything.

 

[ottawanker]

Ok NOS440.

i will go and run into my honda civic vtec with big dual 4" mufflers and beat your 440, because i have a turbo charger and NOS and make 450 hp at 7000 rpms. you only make 400 hp (but even tho you make that hp at 1500 rpms, and have way more toruqe that doesnt matter, because only hp matters, and it doesnt matter that i only make 450 hp in one specific case).

and im sooo much faster than you.

and my big wing is just as functional as the adjustable wing on a superbird. really it is.

4 cylinder engines sucked in 1984, but in 2000 they are better than v8s.

oh, and my honda inside sticker makes my car HELLA FAST!

HELLA FAST!!

 

[NOS440]

ottawanker your real A$$

 

[NOS440]

Another funny thing about that sight is if you read the king of the test he had is still Intel with dual P-3s not the thunderbird or the P-4. this tells me that the test is only for workstations under WIN2K and means nothing to the everyday user and gamers Like myself.

 

[blurredvision]

NOS440:


<< Man is that your sight in your sig thats cool as hell. Also what's the linken park thing are we talking Linclon Park Michigan ??? >>


Thanks for the site comment. Yeah, it's just my own personal sight I've been working on. All the Flash is done by me, so it's all original. Just a couple of Flash cartoons in the Other Stuff page is done by a friend.

And the Linkin Park thing, they are a band. I just recently listened to their cd and they kick.


EDIT: Sorry to interrupt your guy's conversation, please continue.

 

[Priit]

Soon this thread hits 1000 and even now last sensible arguments were some hundred messages ago. Are you trying to get Diamond member, NOS440 ? If so, please stop irritating the others and try to make more sense

 

[NOS440]

I make perfect sense to myself and to me that is all that matters . Besides if what I say bothers you so much than why to you keep coming back for more ??

 

[Priit]

How would you feel if someone start thread how crap Intel is, has always been and will be and how Intel users are idiots, morons, dumber than the others etc. ?

 

[NOS440]

I never said in any of my post that the Thunderbird is crap. I think its a nice product and am leaning toward getting one for one of my spare rigs and see for myself ..

 

[Priit]

Guess now we can end this stupid thread ?

 

[NOS440]

I dought that I'm sure that none of you will admit that the P-4 is not crap and is really the wave of the future !!!

 

[Zephyr]

<< There is a good old saying you get what ya pay for and AMD supplies just what you pay for a bargain system. >>


*LOL* Intel has you fooled good. What you're paying extra for with Intel is stupid marketing and brand name. Once you get that through your skull that Intel are laughing their arses off that people will pay for crap like &quot;intel inside&quot; I think you'll realize what I'm talking about.

 

[NOS440]

see what I mean that is a half thuth and you know it. Intel spend tons more on R&amp;D then AMD ever thought of. They also spend more on software development for there CPU's in 1 month then AMD does in most likely a year and also you are correct they spend tons more than AMD on marketing. But I hate to tell you this all the most successful companies in the world do the same when it comes to marketing.

 

[Zephyr]

<< see what I mean that is a half thuth and you know it. Intel spend tons more on R&amp;D then AMD ever thought of. >>


..and still get's their arses kicked by the underdog AMD. Furthermore AMD actually filed more patents in 1999 than Intel


<< They also spend more on software development for there CPU's in 1 month then AMD does in most likely a year >>


True, they have te possibility to do so AMD does not.. yet


<< and also you are correct they spend tons more than AMD on marketing. But I hate to tell you this all the most successful companies in the world do the same when it comes to marketing. >>


Well if their marketing wasn't so damn stupid and basically insulting to anyone with just basic insight into computers it wouldn't have been so bad.. but netbust.. speed up your internet.. give me a break. The whole problem is that Intels attitude has always been too bloody arrogant. When AMD presented the K7 in 1999, Intel went like &quot;yeah right.. *hahahaha* they'll never be able to yield it... that kind of bloated architechture will never reach high clockspeeds&quot; .. well guess what arhcitechture little ol' AMD is kicking big chipzilla butt with now! I'm not arguing to buy one product over another for political reasons I'm just sayin the benefit of the doubt is definately not going to Intel on my account!

 

[NOS440]

Zephyr



<< ..and still get's their arses kicked by the underdog AMD. Furthermore AMD actually filed more patents in 1999 than Intel >>



Well I would hope so in 99 thats the year they finally released a CPU that they could make and had enough umf to get out of its own way.



<< True, they have te possibility to do so AMD does not.. yet >>



Well I'm sure that Intel had to start somewhere so when are they going to do something ???


I won't quote you on the last thing. I'll just say this it must do something because it beat the Thunderbird clock for clock at the Web tests all but one I believe !!!

 

[Zephyr]

<< Well I'm sure that Intel had to start somewhere so when are they going to do something ??? >>


You are self contraticting NOS. You said yourself how much bigger Intel is than AMD, yet you expect AMD to rpovide the same kind of software support as Intel. Actually AMD is doing something, they've relased &quot;hammer simlulators&quot; so that software developers can optimize for the hammer before the chip arrives it's all gonna happen, but who cwould have cared about &quot;K7 simulators&quot; 2 years ago? First build up a strong product lineup... then you can do the secondary stuff

 

[Compellor]

The never ending thread... I last posted here somewhere around 200 (I do have a life outside of sitting at a computer 24/7). I'm not sure if you saw this NOS440, but here's something I came across that may surprise you:



<< So far the tests claim eye-opening results. For instance, they show that an Athlon processor in a system with double-data-rate SDRAMs delivers about 15 percent more performance than a Pentium 4 system with Direct Rambus, Kennedy said. They also show a desktop with two 733-MHz Pentium III chips is almost twice as fast as a PC using the latest 1.5-GHz Pentium 4, a finding that might surprise many in the industry where speed is king and dual-processor desktops never took off. Kennedy's test also showed the 1.5-GHz Pentium 4 significantly outperforms the 1-GHz Pentium III, he said. >>



Read the whole thing here:
New PC Benchmark finds Pentium 4 wanting

Just posting it in case you or anyone else missed it. The P4 appears to be a joke compared to an Athlon/DDR setup. Hell, even a machine with two 733-MHz Pentium III chips is almost twice as fast as the P4 1.5 GHz chip, according to the article.

Who needs a P4? What is it going to do for me that I can't do on my current machine now? Why should I even care? How many upcoming apps do you know of that are going to be taking advantage of Intel's SSE2 optimizations? When? a year from now? Two? Hell, &quot;Q3A&quot; (high quality) and &quot;Unreal Tournament&quot; already play past 80+ fps at 1024 x 768 on my AMD Duron rig -- a smooth experience. Apps like Photoshop, Video Studio, and Cool Edit Pro open up fast and run perfectly fine also. You say I need a P4 for stability? Got it already. Speed? Got that, too. Upgradablility? No problem. Could it be a need to show off that shiny new P4 to the friends? Ahhhh, it's the only reason! What else could it be, other than saying my dick is bigger than yours

 

[NOS440]

Yea Yea Yea I've been there and seen the disgruntle employees sight so what the P-4 is no good for office apps in a Win 2k enviorment whoopty doo


Compellor please whatever you do DON'T BUY A P-4

 

[NOS440]

got me there didn't ya there Zephyr your are sharp as a needle sometimes I leave my gaurd down to far for you

 

[dougjnn]

Nos440

<<The benchmark he advicates is WIN 2K and WIN NT only and is designed to test work envirorment multi tasking and means nothing to me and most people here.>>

Huuuhhhh? I'm virtually never on the computer, without multitasking. Except when playing some games. (Even some of them can make use.)

Don't have antivirus going? Nothing whatsover in your system tray? Personally, I generally have at least 8, and often 15 windows going. Photoshop can use multitasking. So too can Adobe Premier, the best video editing program short of mega, mega, mega professional setups.

Hell, just running Outlook, antivirus, word, excel, gurunet, scads of IE windows, sucks some mulitasking juice. What, you never burn while doing other things? You never download while surfing the net, even with a fast cable connection? Etc. How about running a conversion to MPEG4 in the background while surfing AnandTech? All these things are too complex for you? Personally, multitasking is part of my lifestyle. Wouldn't feel computer empowered without it!!!

I'm planning on getting a dual processor Athlon mobo when they're out, debugged, and off their first newness bloom in price.

Get the POWER of multitasking with SMP man!!