OWS More Violent than White Supremist Group

[shadow9d9]

OK. How about the official site's forum?

http://occupywallst.org/forum/

We have:






And that's just the obvious titles. Cursory examination of the conversations taking place, even in threads with pro-Republican/anti-OWS titles, show a clear liberal majority.

I don't see how that proves the majority of people supporting it are "liberal." Some titles on the webpage?

 

[shadow9d9]

So you have problems with billionaires who manipulated the system to make money, but no problem with billionaires who blatantly lie to and manipulate masses of people to make money. Got it.

I could debate you about Michael Moore in another thread if you'd like. He did not bring down the economy of dozens of countries for his own greed. To compare the 2 is literally insane.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

He did not bring down the economy of dozens of countries for his own greed.

So who are these people that had so much power that they brought down the economy of dozens of countries?

 

[boochi]

you do realize that OWS has as much of a conservative following as it does a liberal one, right?

Put the crack pipe down.

 

[zinfamous]

Put the crack pipe down.

In what way are their grievances different from the typical platform of so-called conservatives?

Do you actually read and investigate stories for yourself, or simply accept the truth as filtered through Limbaugh's oxycontin-dependent head?

 

[boochi]

The OWS movement is a liberal movement, there is no confusion about this except inside your head. The OWS movement was born from a hatred of the Tea Party by the left. The OWS movement is a socialist movement. The Tea Party just wants government out of our lives.

 

[zinfamous]

The OWS movement is a liberal movement, there is no confusion about this except inside your head. The OWS movement was born from a hatred of the Tea Party by the left. The OWS movement is a socialist movement. The Tea Party just wants government out of our lives.

lol. You know how I know you aren't informed?

First of all: it began in Canada. It has absolutely nothing to do with an anti-Tea Party movement. OWS gave no dick about the hilarious Teabaggers, who have zero influence outside of irrelevant pockets within the rural parts of the US.

 

[boochi]

bullshit

 

[zinfamous]

bullshit

/golfclap. Nice way to counter facts, when they don't agree with you.

 

[cybrsage]

lol. You know how I know you aren't informed?

First of all: it began in Canada. It has absolutely nothing to do with an anti-Tea Party movement. OWS gave no dick about the hilarious Teabaggers, who have zero influence outside of irrelevant pockets within the rural parts of the US.

Occupy Wall Street (OWS) is a protest movement that began September 17, 2011 in Zuccotti Park, located in New York City's Wall Street financial district.

History
Occupy Wall Street has roots in the British student protests of 2010, Greece's and Spain's anti-austerity protests of the "indignados" (indignants), as well as the Arab Spring protests.[6] But the more immediate series of events which lead to the protest started with email conversations between Kalle Lasn, founder of the Canadian-based Adbusters Media Foundation and Micah White, Adbuster's senior editor.[7] The two had the idea for an occupation of lower Manhattan in early June 2011. Lasn registered the OccupyWallSteet.org web address on June 9th.[7] Early in June, Adbusters sent its subscribers an email saying that “America needs its own Tahrir,” and according to Micah White the idea "was spontaneously taken up by all the people of the world.”[8][7] In a blog post on July 13 of 2011, Adbusters proposed a peaceful occupation of Wall Street to protest corporate influence on democracy, the lack of legal consequences for those who brought about the global crisis of monetary insolvency, and an increasing disparity in wealth.[8] The protest was promoted with an image featuring a dancer atop Wall Street's iconic Charging Bull statue.[9][10][11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street

It started in the US (you know, where Wall Street is found), but the idea to start it was from two people in Canada.

That said, if you pretend Canadians are not highly interested and understand what is happening politically in the US, you are a fool.

 

[allenk09]

OWS was taken over by another group. It will probably get violent. All throughout history, protests have started with one group, and ended with another.

 

[shadow9d9]

So who are these people that had so much power that they brought down the economy of dozens of countries?

The executives that ran our banks into the ground...

 

[shadow9d9]

The OWS movement is a liberal movement, there is no confusion about this except inside your head. The OWS movement was born from a hatred of the Tea Party by the left. The OWS movement is a socialist movement. The Tea Party just wants government out of our lives.

The Tea Party wants a ton of government in our lives. Abortion, birth control, gay marriage. They want the government in our bedroom.

There is one leftist member of Congress.

The US is a part socialist country, just like every other first world nation. Biggest military in the world... all socialist. Socialist- Public schools, police, post office, firefighters, road/infrastructure, public libraries, medicare, medicaid, social security, etc etc etc.

The OWS movement simply represents people frustrated with how corporations and capitalist greed just took down the entire world's economy. Simple as that. That can't be classified as one political ideology over another, despite how many would love to portray it.

 

[trenchfoot]

OWS was taken over by another group. It will probably get violent. All throughout history, protests have started with one group, and ended with another.

Tea Party and how it was hijacked by the uber-rich Repubs who handed the Tea Party millions of $$$$ to woo them?

 

[irishScott]

Error, billionaire not found. A quick internet search finds Michael Moore's wealth to be about $50 million. Definitely a substantial fortune, but nowhere near a billionaire.

This is a perfect example of why liberals laugh at righties, you are constantly exaggerating and making things up. Lying seems to be the standard operating procedure, Obama is a muslim, he's a Kenyan, he's a communist....

Alright, fine. 50 million still makes him a 1%er, and he got that fortune through methods that were just as dishonest as the 1%ers OWS hates. My argument stands.

 

[irishScott]

I could debate you about Michael Moore in another thread if you'd like. He did not bring down the economy of dozens of countries for his own greed. To compare the 2 is literally insane.

Just because his methods caused less damage doesn't make their nature any different.

 

[irishScott]

I don't see how that proves the majority of people supporting it are "liberal." Some titles on the webpage?

Well TMK there are currently no polls on the exact political demographics of OWS, so if you're not willing to accept common sense you'll have to settle for what you can gather from their publications. Namely their forum posts, what they say at rallies, etc.

But it doesn't matter. You know there are no polls showing such data which is why you asked for proof in the first place. Happens on this forum all the time, someone makes something they know to be unprovable (in the purest form of the word) the criteria for them to concede their argument. I refer to it a "bureaucratic arguing". You demand such proof in such detail that it is impossible to prove and the other person gives up.

OWS is liberal. I can drum up 100 examples of liberal presence in OWS. I challenge you to find 15 of examples of Conservatives in OWS.

 

[umbrella39]

Points and laughs and those who think OWS and every person who considers themselves part of are the other side of a Tea Party coin.

Keep swinging and missing. The logical fallacies displayed in the responses here are pathetic.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The executives that ran our banks into the ground...

It's very difficult to indict and prosecute "executives", the prosecutors would need names and crimes committed.

 

[airdata]

Is OWS still around? Let me know when they become more violent than the police.

 

[shadow9d9]

Just because his methods caused less damage doesn't make their nature any different.

His methods caused no damage. The bankers brought down entire countries.

You think he "lied or manipulated". I don't. No one can even try to claim the bankers are at fault.

Feel free to create a michael moore thread nad post an anti michael moore site as "proof" and I'd be happy to debate you.

 

[shadow9d9]

It's very difficult to indict and prosecute "executives", the prosecutors would need names and crimes committed.

The point is that their greed led to millions of people losing their jobs and them walking away completely free of penalty. This is what OWS is about.

 

[shadow9d9]

Well TMK there are currently no polls on the exact political demographics of OWS, so if you're not willing to accept common sense you'll have to settle for what you can gather from their publications. Namely their forum posts, what they say at rallies, etc.

But it doesn't matter. You know there are no polls showing such data which is why you asked for proof in the first place. Happens on this forum all the time, someone makes something they know to be unprovable (in the purest form of the word) the criteria for them to concede their argument. I refer to it a "bureaucratic arguing". You demand such proof in such detail that it is impossible to prove and the other person gives up.

OWS is liberal. I can drum up 100 examples of liberal presence in OWS. I challenge you to find 15 of examples of Conservatives in OWS.

If you cannot provide proof, then don't make the claim. Trying to link the website to somehow transform the various protests around the world to magically fit your claim is ludicrous.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Personally I think the Occupy movement is kind of silly, but not as silly as this thread.

No white supremacist group (assuming that's what the "South Africa Project" is - I have never heard of it and while their website purports to be concerned about "white genocide" in South Africa, their address is in Louisiana - the whole thing suggests the members of the Project are as confused about its mission as I am) is going to engage in any violence in a public demonstration. The whole intent of groups like that is to incite outrage in others. I can't imagine any other purpose being served by a public protest staged by a Louisiana group, complaining about "white genocide" in South Africa at a rally in Sacramento. As it happens their goal of inflaming the Occupy protesters succeeded.

Even if one accepts that the Occupy protesters in that particular situation behaved violently (as it appears they did), they really aren't, in the parlance of the OP, "OWS" members - Sacramento is thousands of miles from Wall Street - and it's hard to see how one can fairly generalize their behavior to all Occupy protestors, as the OP implicitly does. That would be like saying "Republican presidential candidates are serial philanderers" because one of them happens to be.

 

[shadow9d9]

Also, you wouldn't have to prosecute executives if the republicans didn't repeal the regulation set in place after the savings and loan crisis to prevent just this very thing. Glass Steagull.