OWS More Violent than White Supremist Group

[cybrsage]

You are right, I confused you. My apologies.

I figured as much, it appeared you were having another exchange and got my post in there some how.

No biggie.

 

[shira]

You are the one who said we need to dig into the past...and now you are pretending I am the one who created this logic?

No wonder no one takes you seriously here.

The illogic I refer to - the illogic you continue to propound - is that an isolated event by a group of people can be used to make a general conclusion about the group.

As to "digging into the past" - your post refers to a past event. Are you telling us that events from two days ago are fair game, but events from a five days ago aren't? Or is it a two-week time limit?

As to who's being taken seriously here, a brief search of the dismissive comments you've received in your brief history here clearly demonstrates who's the village idiot.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

And one more question for the record Londo.

Do you realize that your same implications, that because there are arrests, that somehow a protest or movement is worth less was used to describe: labor rights, civil rights, desegregation, women's right to vote, etc?

It is funny. Because those movements are accepted as legitimate NOW, the arrests are bogus. What do you think was said of them by the people against them at the time? The EXACT same thing you are saying.

Funny how history keeps repeating itself.

OWS will never rise to the level of civil rights or any other legitimate movement you have listed. OWS movement has no single focus like these movements had and why it will drift off into obscurity.

 

[dmcowen674]

OWS never will be the same as civil rights.

That's not the goal anyway.

It's the start of the Revolution against your kind.

I can tell you are not very comfortable being on the wrong side of a Revolution already.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

That's not the goal anyway.

It's the start of the Revolution against your kind.

I can tell you are not very comfortable being on the wrong side of a Revolution already.

Seek medical attention.

 

[shadow9d9]

OWS will never rise to the level of civil rights or any other legitimate movement you have listed. OWS movement has no single focus like these movements had and why it will drift off into obscurity.

First, as I said, you dodged the first question:

Did executives of banks play a major part of the worldwide economic collapse: Yes or no?

And I will repeat this question that you dodged.

Do you realize that your same implications, that because there are arrests, that somehow a protest or movement is worth less was used to describe: labor rights, civil rights, desegregation, women's right to vote, etc?

It is funny. Because those movements are accepted as legitimate NOW, the arrests are bogus. What do you think was said of them by the people against them at the time? The EXACT same thing you are saying.

Those protests are still mistakes in many people's minds. Whether it "rises to the same level" would always be an opinion anyone, and not particularly relevant. Either protests absolutely determine legitimacy or they don't.. otherwise, blanket generalizations like yours don't apply.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

First, as I said, you dodged the first question:

Did executives of banks play a major part of the worldwide economic collapse: Yes or no?

And I will repeat this question that you dodged.

Do you realize that your same implications, that because there are arrests, that somehow a protest or movement is worth less was used to describe: labor rights, civil rights, desegregation, women's right to vote, etc?

It is funny. Because those movements are accepted as legitimate NOW, the arrests are bogus. What do you think was said of them by the people against them at the time? The EXACT same thing you are saying.

Those protests are still mistakes in many people's minds. Whether it "rises to the same level" would always be an opinion anyone, and not particularly relevant. Either protests absolutely determine legitimacy or they don't.. otherwise, blanket generalizations like yours don't apply.

Can you prove the bank executives caused the worldwide economic collapse? One would think that if there was any proof that this was the case there would have been indictments and convictions by now (3 years later).

OWS is nothing like the other movements and never will be, except in your mind

 

[cybrsage]

The illogic I refer to - the illogic you continue to propound - is that an isolated event by a group of people can be used to make a general conclusion about the group.

OWS groups are routinely breaking the laws. They break into buildings, they attack the police, they burn ports, and here they attacked peaceful protestors and the police again.

How many "isolated incidents" are needed before a you stop saying they are :isolated incidents"?

As to who's being taken seriously here, a brief search of the dismissive comments you've received in your brief history here clearly demonstrates who's the village idiot.

Agreed, it is you. I am just surprised you so easily state you are. I applaud your honesty in this, admitting you are an idiot is not an easy thing to do.

 

[Nemesis 1]

According to shira, everyone is a murderer since groups they belong to have committed murder in the past. Are your ancestors European? Europeans have committed murder in the past, so you are a murderer...

Yeah, that is a VERY stupid position to hold.

Lets look at the here and now, though. OWS attacked the police and the white supremist group...the white supremist group was peaceful. Which group is more violent?

You make good points . But shira is right in a manner. The groups you align yourself with says who and what you are . I didn't vote last election . But for 40 years I have voted for the winning side as I am independent. So I share guilt with all. But the last election and this GOP election are differant for all of us . God gave man a gift its called free will. or liberty . This fight is about retaining that which was freely given to ALL of us . To bow befor a master is to surrender liberty a God given right. Only cowards and evil bow befor evil men. Unbowed unbent unbroken. Obummer bows to many

 

[shadow9d9]

Can you prove the bank executives caused the worldwide economic collapse? One would think that if there was any proof that this was the case there would have been indictments and convictions by now (3 years later).

OWS is nothing like the other movements and never will be, except in your mind

Dodge number 2.

Answer whether YOU believe it please.

Did executives of banks play a major part of the worldwide economic collapse: Yes or no?

Do you realize that your same implications, that because there are arrests, that somehow a protest or movement is worth less was used to describe: labor rights, civil rights, desegregation, women's right to vote, etc? Yes or no.


If you are so right, then simply declare whether you think the answers are yes or no for either. Why should I need to provide proof in order for you to decide? Make up your own mind and please post your answers for all to see.

Continuing to ignore these simple yes or no questions... sad really.

 

[shadow9d9]

OWS groups are routinely breaking the laws. They break into buildings, they attack the police, they burn ports, and here they attacked peaceful protestors and the police again.

How many "isolated incidents" are needed before a you stop saying they are :isolated incidents"?




Agreed, it is you. I am just surprised you so easily state you are. I applaud your honesty in this, admitting you are an idiot is not an easy thing to do.

All of those incidents are nothing compared to bringing down the world economy so a handful of people could make insane profits.

We had protections in place, but the republicans repealed the regulations from the savings and loan crisis.

 

[cybrsage]

All of those incidents are nothing compared to bringing down the world economy so a handful of people could make insane profits.

We had protections in place, but the republicans repealed the regulations from the savings and loan crisis.

So you are saying that if one group does something wrong, this means other groups can do things wrong as well?

 

[Nemesis 1]

All of those incidents are nothing compared to bringing down the world economy so a handful of people could make insane profits.

We had protections in place, but the republicans repealed the regulations from the savings and loan crisis.

The rep. did no such thing. The Dem-ons voted for or against . It could not go forward without the Dem-ons in the house /senate . Facts. Not an alternative reality

 

[shadow9d9]

So you are saying that if one group does something wrong, this means other groups can do things wrong as well?

No, not at all. Just that I can't summon up much anger when I compare what was done to them to what theyve done.

 

[shadow9d9]

The rep. did no such thing. The Dem-ons voted for or against . It could not go forward without the Dem-ons in the house /senate . Facts. Not an alternative reality

Glass-steagull was removed by the republican controlled congress.

Through a partisan 54-44 vote on May 6, 1999 (with Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC) providing the only Democratic Senator vote in support), the Senate passed S. 900

 

[Nemesis 1]

The vote in the house what was that?? You acting like the Senate has all saying power, The law comes up from the house to the senate from there to desk of president

 

[shadow9d9]

The vote in the house what was that?? You acting like the Senate has all saying power, The law comes up from the house to the senate from there to desk of president

If you haven't noticed, the Senate is where the final word is often decided or killed.

 

[shadow9d9]

The vote in the house what was that?? You acting like the Senate has all saying power, The law comes up from the house to the senate from there to desk of president

My post timewarped right above yours.

 

[shadow9d9]

The vote in the house what was that?? You acting like the Senate has all saying power, The law comes up from the house to the senate from there to desk of president

In the House, 155 Democrats and 207 Republicans voted for the measure, while 51 Democrats, 5 Republicans and 1 independent opposed it.

Only 1 democrat voted for it in the senate...

That is republican passed and they get a majority of the blame.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Dodge number 2.

Answer whether YOU believe it please.

Did executives of banks play a major part of the worldwide economic collapse: Yes or no?

Do you realize that your same implications, that because there are arrests, that somehow a protest or movement is worth less was used to describe: labor rights, civil rights, desegregation, women's right to vote, etc? Yes or no.


If you are so right, then simply declare whether you think the answers are yes or no for either. Why should I need to provide proof in order for you to decide? Make up your own mind and please post your answers for all to see.

Continuing to ignore these simple yes or no questions... sad really.

I declare that you or no one else can prove that the bank executives caused the economic collapse.

I also declare that the OWS movement will never rise to level of civil rights, women's rights or any other worthwhile movement.

Continuing to support a dysfunctional movement is really quite sad.

 

[shadow9d9]

I declare that you or no one else can prove that the bank executives caused the economic collapse.

I also declare that the OWS movement will never rise to level of civil rights, women's rights or any other worthwhile movement.

Continuing to support a dysfunctional movement is really quite sad.

That wasn't what I asked. Dodge number 3. It really is sad that you are such a coward that you refuse to answer 2 simple questions!

Answer whether YOU believe it please. This does not require proof on my behalf. Come to your own conclusion in any way you'd like. Make it up from thin air for all I care. I just want your direct answers instead of continuing to weasel your way out of answering 2 simple questions.

Did executives of banks play a major part of the worldwide economic collapse: Yes or no?

Do you realize that your same implications, that because there are arrests, that somehow a protest or movement is worth less was used to describe: labor rights, civil rights, desegregation, women's right to vote, etc? Yes or no.

 

[Nemesis 1]

If you haven't noticed, the Senate is where the final word is often decided or killed.

Pure BS . The President has last word . So The bill passed on 1/1/12 signed by Obummer is all obummers doing . By your logic.
I blame all three the house the senate and Obummer I also hold that these people should be hung for treason . Using that very law they passed . NO due processs. Also the supreme idoits need to be hung for not taking action against this law.

 

[shadow9d9]

Pure BS . The President has last word . So The bill passed on 1/1/12 signed by Obummer is all obummers doing . By your logic.
I blame all three the house the senate and Obummer I also hold that these people should be hung for treason . Using that very law they passed . NO due processs.

Are you off your meds?

Your post doesn't make sense. First you say that the president has the last word.. and then claim by MY logic, he gets full blame?

Yeah, you could blame all 3 parts that passed the law. 2 of them by Majority of republicans, with the senate only having a SINGLE democratic supporter.. and then signed by Clinton.

2/3 being republican gives them a majority of the blame.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You're never going to convince me that the OWS movement will ever compare with the historic movements in the past century. It's nothing more than a flash in a pan or a one hit wonder in the entertainment industry.

The OWS movement will be remembered most for the willful destruction of personal property, trespassing, and creating issues for the 99% who were trying to make a living.

 

[shadow9d9]

You're never going to convince me that the OWS movement will ever compare with the historic movements in the past century. It's nothing more than a flash in a pan or a one hit wonder in the entertainment industry.

The OWS movement will be remembered most for the willful destruction of personal property, trespassing, and creating issues for the 99% who were trying to make a living.

That wasn't what I asked. Dodge number 4.

It really is sad that you are such a coward that you refuse to answer 2 simple questions!

What is the point of posting any of your opinions if your opinions are so weak that you can't even clarify your stance by answering 2 easy yes or no questions?

Dodge dodge dodge. That is why forums are pointless. People are too cowardly to answer followups... just post , run, and dodge. Coward.

Answer whether YOU believe it please. This does not require proof on my behalf. Come to your own conclusion in any way you'd like. Make it up from thin air for all I care. I just want your direct answers instead of continuing to weasel your way out of answering 2 simple questions.

Did executives of banks play a major part of the worldwide economic collapse: Yes or no?

Do you realize that your same implications, that because there are arrests, that somehow a protest or movement is worth less was used to describe: labor rights, civil rights, desegregation, women's right to vote, etc? Yes or no.