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Tab said:
He killed a judge and specifically targeted a government member. There.
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I seriously doubt he knew the man was a judge. He did target a member government but that doesn't mean that it was for political reasons. He also killed 4 other people and injured 12 more (not including the congresswoman). Did he shoot them for political reasons?
 
This is quite the eye opener, Conservatives are literally barking at the moon and confused as the talking points are not helping. How do these poor folks cope when the center has dropped out of their world? It's like the critical thinking part of their brains atrophied over the years. Creepy cult-mindset lashing out.
 
Londo_Jowo said:
I seriously doubt he knew the man was a judge. He did target a member government but that doesn't mean that it was for political reasons. He also killed 4 other people and injured 12 more (not including the congresswoman). Did he shoot them for political reasons?
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He shot her because of low reading levels in the state of arizona and he doesn't like government, cleary a reason. He shot everyone because they got in the way.
 
CycloWizard said:
What does being a celebrity speaker have to do with being the head executive? I only ask because I'm paying for his little jaunt and waiting for him to firm up his position on those things which the head executive governs.
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I already posted it. Its called the Many Hats of the President.
 
CycloWizard said:
What does being a celebrity speaker have to do with being the head executive? I only ask because I'm paying for his little jaunt and waiting for him to firm up his position on those things which the head executive governs.
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You're paying for it? You must make a crap-ton of money.
 
Carmen813 said:
Get your Constitution right. Funds for executive travel are appropriated by Congress. He is allowed to make travel arrangements as he pleases with those funds. If you want him to sit in an office all day and sign papers, you are bitching about the wrong branch.

I have some respect for the strict Constructionist position. I don't want people running roughshod over the Constitution. However, it always baffles me when people go as far as you do. I have to simply shake my head and wonder how you've managed to become so obtuse.

When the Constitution was written, the idea of "traveling across the country" didn't exist. We didn't have much of a country to travel across, let alone the ability to do so in a matter of hours. His ability to function as head of the executive branch was in no way limited, as he was flying on an Aircraft so sophisticated that if the Founding Fathers had seen it they would have been utterly terrified.

We have a grand total of two nationally elected representatives. The President and Vice President. When someone directs violent action against the Constitution, it is their sworn duty to respond. There is plenty of evidence that this was an intentional attack on a democratically elected federal representative. That's an attack on the foundation of our federal legislative body, which means it's an attack on the Constitution. Prior to doing so he dispatched appropriate officials to begin a federal investigation.
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How does his use of allotted travel money to take a trip to Arizona for a non-work-related function justify his actions? He could have used that money for legitimate purposes related to his job (presumably what it was allotted for) or illegitimate purposes. He chose the latter. He presumably invested time to write the speech, plan the travel, give the speech, and kiss some babies - all time which could have been used for legitimate purposes related to his job. Was the crime perpetrated a federal one? If so, Obama could have made the trip legitimate by addressing the legal ramifications and stating the course his branch is taking to bring the perpetrator to justice. But it wasn't a federal crime (AFAIK, basing this on the recent bill to make it a federal crime), so it's none of his business and outside of his jurisdiction. Bottom line is that any employee of a private company would probably be fired if he magically appeared on TV on the far side of the country when he was supposed to be working, even if his work involved things of far lesser importance than what Obama should be spending his time on and even if he had paid for the travel out of his own pocket.
However, I doubt any of that rings true with you.....so I'll bring something else up.

This is the topic and time you choose to angst about Executive Overreach on a forum? The President flying to give a speech after a Congresswoman was shot while meeting with her constituents? When we have undeclared wars being waged, people being locked up without being charged, and god knows what else. Yet you choose to attack him for flying to AZ in order to offer what condolences he could? How petty can you get? You claim to have no political affiliation, but it's fairly obvious based on your posts that you do. "Troll."
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If you want to start a thread on any of those topics, feel free to do so and I'll address them. In this thread, your statement is simply a diversion from the fact that this trip has nothing to do with Obama's job and everything to do with using my money as part of a PR campaign - a campaign he wouldn't necessarily need if he would just do the job he was elected to do.
 
Threatening to kill a Congressperson is a federal crime, so I fail to see how actually attempting to assassinate them is not. The prosecution has already been moved out of AZ.

As for the rest, I wonder if you've ever performed any job functions that weren't explicitly stated in a contract you signed for said job. You seem to be engaged very strongly in dichotomous thinking, which is generally not a good sign. Any President is quite capable of performing nearly all essential job functions, including fighting a nuclear war, from anywhere in the world. We taxpayers paid for a very nice airplane so the President is able to do so.

Tell you what, find me the address for the treasury department. When I get home, I'll dig a nickle out of my change jar and send it to them to cover the cost of Obama's trip that you paid. That should more than cover the cost of the trip + interest. I am entirely serious.
 
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CycloWizard said:
I'm paying for it.
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Too bad. Here is a hanky, deal with it. It's a memorial for a fallen and wounded comrades in the line of duty. Just because no one would bother pissing on your grave irl does not mean that others deserve such little respect. You are a very small person. Sad.
 
Carmen813 said:
Tell you what, find me the address for the treasury department. When I get home, I'll dig a nickle out of my change jar and send it to them to cover the cost of Obama's trip that you paid. That should more than cover the cost of the trip + interest. I am entirely serious.
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So you've given up on arguing that the trip is in any way justifiable? Good.

Department of the Treasury
1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20220

Even if you pay my share, we all pay for these shenanigans and not just with money. And my share is surely well over $0.05, based on my income level, the hourly operational cost of Air Force One ($100,219), secret service, escort planes (usually around $30k/hour for a single fighter), all of the other monetary expenses involved, and, most importantly, the opportunity cost of having someone like the president off-duty for at least an entire day.
 
CycloWizard said:
So you've given up on arguing that the trip is in any way justifiable? Good.

Department of the Treasury
1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20220

Even if you pay my share, we all pay for these shenanigans and not just with money. And my share is surely well over $0.05, based on my income level, the hourly operational cost of Air Force One ($100,219), secret service, escort planes (usually around $30k/hour for a single fighter), all of the other monetary expenses involved, and, most importantly, the opportunity cost of having someone like the president off-duty for at least an entire day.
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Okay okay, two nickels. Assuming the cost was $5 million for the trip, we each owe about 1.5 cents.

I'm giving up in arguing with an idiot. You know that old saying about being dragged down to their level and beaten with experience...
 
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TheRedUnderURBed said:
Too bad. Here is a hanky, deal with it. It's a memorial for a fallen and wounded comrades in the line of duty. Just because no one would bother pissing on your grave irl does not mean that others deserve such little respect. You are a very small person. Sad.
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Is he giving a speech at every fallen soldier's funeral? An address for the family of each wounded soldier? Or is this measure of respect only warranted when a fellow party member goes down, comrade?
 
Carmen813 said:
Okay okay, two nickels.

I'm giving up in arguing with an idiot. You know that old saying about being dragged down to their level and beaten with experience...
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You're not arguing - you're diverting. You've not even addressed any of the points I made, while I specifically addressed yours in a post you won't even consider addressing. But you're right: I'm the idiotic troll. 🙄
 
I for the life of me cannot figure what point you have other than to fulfill some need to argue for the sake of arguing.
 
CycloWizard said:
You're not arguing - you're diverting. You've not even addressed any of the points I made, while I specifically addressed yours in a post you won't even consider addressing. But you're right: I'm the idiotic troll. 🙄
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He's just toying with you. Everyone with half a brain knows this is part of the president's job and it is expected.

Your fail-flail of irrational arguments not withstanding, there's not much use for you in this debate any more...you're just a broken record hurting everyone's ears. Repeating it ad-nauseam doesn't make you seem any more coherent...just another boorish oaf who doesn't know when he's been laughed off the stage.
 
feralkid said:
He's just toying with you. Everyone with half a brain knows this is part of the president's job and it is expected.

Your fail-flail of irrational arguments not withstanding, there's not much use for you in this debate any more...you're just a broken record hurting everyone's ears. Repeating it ad-nauseam doesn't make you seem any more coherent...just another boorish oaf who doesn't know when he's been laughed off the stage.
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I'm honestly just rather stupefied by the lengths some individuals will go to in order to justify their disgust of a politician. I mean, I disliked President Bush, but I don't think I ever got anywhere near this point. Hell, I'm still not there with politicians I dislike now.

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Just realized what happened, I somehow got him and CAD confused...honestly thought I was talking to the same person.
 
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TheRedUnderURBed said:
This is quite the eye opener, Conservatives are literally barking at the moon and confused as the talking points are not helping. How do these poor folks cope when the center has dropped out of their world? It's like the critical thinking part of their brains atrophied over the years. Creepy cult-mindset lashing out.
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IMHO, this event will be to Obama's presidency as "Mission Accomplished" was to GWB's.
 
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