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JSt0rm

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IMHO, this event will be to Obama's presidency as "Mission Accomplished" was to GWB's.

hahaha you guys are so desperate for obama to be as bad as bush. When you try and compare every fuck up with bush all you are doing is reminding us of bushes fuck ups.
 

CycloWizard

Lifer
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He's just toying with you. Everyone with half a brain knows this is part of the president's job and it is expected.

Your fail-flail of irrational arguments not withstanding, there's not much use for you in this debate any more...you're just a broken record hurting everyone's ears. Repeating it ad-nauseam doesn't make you seem any more coherent...just another boorish oaf who doesn't know when he's been laughed off the stage.
I posted a link to Article II of the Constitution (you know, the part of that pesky document which explicitly states the role of the president?), which was subsequently ignored by all of you. Assuming you aren't capable of clicking the supplied link, here they are:
Section 2: Presidential powers
Clause 1: Command of military; Opinions of cabinet secretaries; Pardons
Clause 2: Advice and Consent Clause (treaties and appointments)
Clause 3: Recess appointments

Section 3: Presidential responsibilities
Clause 1: State of the Union
Clause 2: Calling Congress into extraordinary session; adjourning Congress
Clause 3: Receiving foreign representatives
Clause 4: Caring for the faithful execution of the law
Clause 5: Officers' Commission

Notably absent from the list: eulogizing random citizens, giving motivational speeches, using federal resources for personal travel, or using federal resources to improve the government/president's image. Those are the facts. I'm sorry if they conflict with your opinions.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
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I don't see "clearing brush" in there either. Don't recall you bitching about that though.

Now back to you arguing for the sake of arguing ...
 

nobodyknows

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hahaha you guys are so desperate for obama to be as bad as bush. When you try and compare every fuck up with bush all you are doing is reminding us of bushes fuck ups.

LOL@U, I hated Bush more then anybody I know in real life. I was accused of having BDS more then Micheal Jackson has been accused of being a pedophile.

Try again.
 

Tab

Lifer
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Just realized what happened, I somehow got him and CAD confused...honestly thought I was talking to the same person.

You pretty much are, Cad and Cyclo are probably the most activeand most conservative members of the board, though CaD doesn't appear to care about abortion much.
 

werepossum

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Jul 10, 2006
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IMHO, this event will be to Obama's presidency as "Mission Accomplished" was to GWB's.
If you mean a good job performance used shamelessly by the other side, probably. Bush's "Mission Accomplished" was entirely appropriate; a military unit is tasked with a certain set of goals, of which "win the war and stop all fighting" is not one. Obama's trip to speak at a memorial for those wounded and murdered - including a dead federal judge and a nearly dead sitting Congresswoman - is also entirely appropriate. Many of the things we expect of a President - fix the economy, for example - are almost entirely out of his control. But to represent the country at times like this is entirely within his responsibility and his ability, and he seems to have done it very well. I decry those who printed tee shirts (crass!) and those who shouted adulation at Obama as though it was indeed a political pep rally, but Obama himself did an excellent job. I fail to see why anyone would criticize him for his performance, or for choosing to go. But then I failed to see why Bush was criticized for "Mission accomplished" either.

Odd, since I am a creature of both edges rather than the middle, you'd think I'd take issue with both. Instead I find fault with neither.
 

feralkid

Lifer
Jan 28, 2002
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I posted a link to Article II of the Constitution (you know, the part of that pesky document which explicitly states the role of the president?), which was subsequently ignored by all of you. Assuming you aren't capable of clicking the supplied link, here they are:
Section 2: Presidential powers
Clause 1: Command of military; Opinions of cabinet secretaries; Pardons
Clause 2: Advice and Consent Clause (treaties and appointments)
Clause 3: Recess appointments

Section 3: Presidential responsibilities
Clause 1: State of the Union
Clause 2: Calling Congress into extraordinary session; adjourning Congress
Clause 3: Receiving foreign representatives
Clause 4: Caring for the faithful execution of the law
Clause 5: Officers' Commission

Notably absent from the list: eulogizing random citizens, giving motivational speeches, using federal resources for personal travel, or using federal resources to improve the government/president's image. Those are the facts. I'm sorry if they conflict with your opinions.

You're just a broken record hurting everyone's ears. Repeating it ad-nauseam doesn't make you seem any more coherent...just another boorish oaf who doesn't know when he's been laughed off the stage.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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its amazing how we cant find one person who liked and voted for bush. Yet he even won the second election. How is this possible?
 

CycloWizard

Lifer
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I don't see "clearing brush" in there either. Don't recall you bitching about that though.

Now back to you arguing for the sake of arguing ...
Bush was an idiot, but at least he was on "vacation" while clearing brush. Did that require clarification?
 

CycloWizard

Lifer
Sep 10, 2001
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You're just a broken record hurting everyone's ears. Repeating it ad-nauseam doesn't make you seem any more coherent...just another boorish oaf who doesn't know when he's been laughed off the stage.
You're an idiot who can't read or, if we admit that you're literate, can't understand a clearly constructed sentence. Which is it?
 

nobodyknows

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If you mean a good job performance used shamelessly by the other side, probably. Bush's "Mission Accomplished" was entirely appropriate; a military unit is tasked with a certain set of goals, of which "win the war and stop all fighting" is not one. Obama's trip to speak at a memorial for those wounded and murdered - including a dead federal judge and a nearly dead sitting Congresswoman - is also entirely appropriate. Many of the things we expect of a President - fix the economy, for example - are almost entirely out of his control. But to represent the country at times like this is entirely within his responsibility and his ability, and he seems to have done it very well. I decry those who printed tee shirts (crass!) and those who shouted adulation at Obama as though it was indeed a political pep rally, but Obama himself did an excellent job. I fail to see why anyone would criticize him for his performance, or for choosing to go. But then I failed to see why Bush was criticized for "Mission accomplished" either.

Odd, since I am a creature of both edges rather than the middle, you'd think I'd take issue with both. Instead I find fault with neither.


I find no "fault", it's more like seeing the writing on the proverbial wall. To me, both of their actions were nothing more then political grandstanding in an attempt by them to play to their political bases.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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It depends on what happens in the next 2 years.

o_O I'm not following.

The event will be seen as, what, that he surrounded himself with a bunch of idiots? Only those of us who already thought that will continue to do so. Lest you believe showcasing it rubs people the wrong way... but let's face it, they'll be loyal to the party and its benefits long before they let a disrespectful crowd mean anything.

What's the worst it comes down to, a poor choice of venue on Obama's part? It does not mean anything.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
Feb 15, 2002
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Bush was an idiot, but at least he was on "vacation" while clearing brush. Did that require clarification?

Thanks for reminding me,

I remember the left threads about all of Shrub's vacations and the righty's on here defending Bush by saying he's never really on vacation, he's totally connected to DC at all times, etc.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
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Bush was an idiot, but at least he was on "vacation" while clearing brush. Did that require clarification?

Wait, everyone around here claimed he was still working while in Crawford. Which is it? :)

Doesn't matter though, "we" still paid the bill for his travel either way. At least by your standards. Care to dodge again?
 

nobodyknows

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o_O I'm not following.

The event will be seen as, what, that he surrounded himself with a bunch of idiots? Only those of us who already thought that will continue to do so. Lest you believe showcasing it rubs people the wrong way... but let's face it, they'll be loyal to the party and its benefits long before they let a disrespectful crowd mean anything.

What's the worst it comes down to, a poor choice of venue on Obama's part? It does not mean anything.

And GWB using the aircraft carrier with a "Mission Accomplished" banner as a backdrop while declaring "In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." back in 2003 wasn't also a poor choice of venue? One that came back to bire him in the ass?
 

dmcowen674

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Quote:
Originally Posted by nobodyknows
IMHO, this event will be to Obama's presidency as "Mission Accomplished" was to GWB's.

hahaha you guys are so desperate for obama to be as bad as bush.

When you try and compare every fuck up with bush all you are doing is reminding us of bushes fuck ups.

This :thumbsup:
 

werepossum

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Jul 10, 2006
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I find no "fault", it's more like seeing the writing on the proverbial wall. To me, both of their actions were nothing more then political grandstanding in an attempt by them to play to their political bases.
Ah. I'd argue that both were genuinely trying to do the best they could, the first honoring servicemen and women who put their lives on the line, the second honoring those in public service. I'm sure the right will behave toward Obama just as the left did with Bush, but I'm pretty far right (at least where I'm not pretty far left) and I think he did a pretty good job. It made me like him a bit more. Or dislike him a bit less, perhaps.

its amazing how we cant find one person who liked and voted for bush. Yet he even won the second election. How is this possible?
I voted for Bush in the second election. I would have voted for him in the first as well (although I was a Keyester rather than a Bushie, I despise Gore enough to be pulled away from the Libertarian Party in the general election) had I not been sent out of town right before the election. In fact Bush was my first Republican presidential vote since Reagan. I liked some of what he did, and I'll defend him where I think he did well. Also, I'll defend his intentions as well as where I think he did bad, but with good intentions.