Our President

[bamacre]

hahaha you guys are so desperate for obama to be as bad as bush. When you try and compare every fuck up with bush all you are doing is reminding us of bushes fuck ups.

It's quite easy to remember Bush's fuck-ups when Obama has continued just about every single one of them.

 

[Fern]

I can't find any information because he murdered a bunch of persons because she didn't answer a question.

Now, do you know what you're talking about or not?

IIRC, those who knew him said his 'obsession' with the Congresswoman started back in 2007 when he approached her and asked a question about grammer. I don't quite understand but he apparently had some bizarre idea that the US gov was using grammer to manipulate peoples' minds, or some such crazy sh!t.

Anyhoo, her response angered him. I recall reading his question and her response, seemed to me, that like me, she had no clue wtf he was talking about.

So yes, at least in the opinion of those who knew him, her answer to his question is why he attempted to murder her.

Fern

 

[erikistired]

our president is a scumbag, who has his chicago scumbag friends destroying this country. great that you love his speech making ability tho. :thumbsup:

 

[Fern]

I'm not so sure this a national tradegy either. I can see why some argue it is.

But, I hesitate to call it a national tragedy because the Congresswoman wasn't a national figure. She wasn't known at the national level. As much as I read about politics I've never heard of her that I recall. Same goes for the fed judge.

I also feel that this was was an incident where a crazy person fixated on someone and shot them for reasons I don't understand, and not a political thing. Reminds me of the movie Taxi Driver.

Fern

 

[Bowfinger]

...Is giving a fine speech right now. :thumbsup:

Our President, our duly elected leader, is rising to the occasion and addressing every one of us with dignity and quiet, inclusive, healing eloquence.

Thank you, Mr. President.

:thumbsup:

Well said. Whether you like Obama or not (and I certainly have mixed feelings about him and his performance), last night he did what a President should do ... and he did it very well.

It's unfortunate this thread has turned into such a partisan train wreck. I offer kudos, however, to the majority of the righties here who've risen above partisanship and recognized he did well. To me it is analogous to when Bush visited Iraq on Thanksgiving, the first year of the invasion. Maybe it was a political photo op, but it was the right thing to do and it meant a lot to those affected. It's a real pity there are a few here who are so filled with hatred and rage they are incapable of offering the same recognition to Obama.

 

[werepossum]

I'm not so sure this a national tradegy either. I can see why some argue it is.

But, I hesitate to call it a national tragedy because the Congresswoman wasn't a national figure. She wasn't known at the national level. As much as I read about politics I've never heard of her that I recall. Same goes for the fed judge.

I also feel that this was was an incident where a crazy person fixated on someone and shot them for reasons I don't understand, and not a political thing. Reminds me of the movie Taxi Driver.

Fern

I've seen her several times on Fox News. She also participated in the Republican-backed reading of the Constitution. She's been fairly prominent for a Representative not in a leadership position. Even those Arizonans who vehemently dislike her positions on illegal immigration and health care seem to like her. I like her, and I think that had she not been gunned down, she would have moved on to be a Senator or perhaps even in the White House.

But either way, I think a sitting federal judge murdered and a sitting Congresswoman incapacitated (hopefully not permanently) in a mass murder qualifies to me as a national tragedy. Certainly she and the event have dominated the news cycle. Either way, as titular head of our government, I think it was Obama's duty (if admittedly not a duty spelled out in the Constitution) to attend and speak at the memorial. I'd have thought less of him had he not.

 

[classy]

Yep.

Yes, it's tragic that people were gunned down and the congresswoman was shot but the media and politicos have blown this WAY out of proportion. "national healing"? WTF? There is no national tragedy here.

What?
No national tragedy? One of the congressional elected officials got shot in the head and several other people murdered.

 

[Greenman]

...Is giving a fine speech right now. :thumbsup:

Our President, our duly elected leader, is rising to the occasion and addressing every one of us with dignity and quiet, inclusive, healing eloquence.

Thank you, Mr. President.

Or he's reading a speech written by a professional. We'll never know which.

I like Obama the man, I'm far less impressed with Obama the president.

 

[CycloWizard]

Wait, everyone around here claimed he was still working while in Crawford. Which is it? 🙂

Doesn't matter though, "we" still paid the bill for his travel either way. At least by your standards. Care to dodge again?

As I said, Bush was an idiot too. What exactly am I dodging?

 

[CycloWizard]

What?
No national tragedy? One of the congressional elected officials got shot in the head and several other people murdered.

What part of that made it a national tragedy? A mass shooting? That it involved an elected official? Both of those are a dime a dozen and Obama has skipped plenty of them in the past. Why is this one getting so much play from Obama and the press?

 

[Bowfinger]

What part of that made it a national tragedy? A mass shooting? That it involved an elected official? Both of those are a dime a dozen and Obama has skipped plenty of them in the past. Why is this one getting so much play from Obama and the press?

🙄

Kindly list the last dozen shootings involving an elected official, or more specifically, a national elected official. I'll be happy to send you the dime.

You're being ridiculous.

 

[hal2kilo]

our president is a scumbag, who has his chicago scumbag friends destroying this country. great that you love his speech making ability tho. :thumbsup:

Nice.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

You pretty much are, Cad and Cyclo are probably the most activeand most conservative members of the board, though CaD doesn't appear to care about abortion much.

Used to active - not so much any more. Too busy with work, remodeling, and life in general.

 

[chucky2]

Why would a politician getting shot be rated as more tragic than anyone else not a politician getting shot? Politicians are now more important that everyone else?

Definitely sux all those people got shot, but a national tragedy?

No.

My, and everyone else who is not related to these people, life will go on without any impact what-so-ever. Why everyone is playing this up like it's more tragic than any other tragic thing that gets zero national media attention I have no idea... (or rather, we know why, it's just not proper to allege given the circumstances)

Chuck

 

[nobodyknows]

Quote:
Originally Posted by nobodyknows
IMHO, this event will be to Obama's presidency as "Mission Accomplished" was to GWB's.

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Originally Posted by JSt0rm
hahaha you guys are so desperate for obama to be as bad as bush.

When you try and compare every fuck up with bush all you are doing is reminding us of bushes fuck ups.

This :thumbsup:

Seriously Dave, when was the last time you were right about something??

 

[nobodyknows]

It's quite easy to remember Bush's fuck-ups when Obama has continued just about every single one of them.

QFT

 

[nobodyknows]

I've seen her several times on Fox News. She also participated in the Republican-backed reading of the Constitution. She's been fairly prominent for a Representative not in a leadership position. Even those Arizonans who vehemently dislike her positions on illegal immigration and health care seem to like her. I like her, and I think that had she not been gunned down, she would have moved on to be a Senator or perhaps even in the White House.

But either way, I think a sitting federal judge murdered and a sitting Congresswoman incapacitated (hopefully not permanently) in a mass murder qualifies to me as a national tragedy. Certainly she and the event have dominated the news cycle. Either way, as titular head of our government, I think it was Obama's duty (if admittedly not a duty spelled out in the Constitution) to attend and speak at the memorial. I'd have thought less of him had he not.

If the shooter intentionally targeted the federal judge then my opinin would be different and this would be a much bigger story. I think he just got shot bu accident and the shooter had no idea who he was.

Besides, my "definition" of a national tragedy would be a bus full of judges/lawyers going off the cliff with an empty seat on board. 😉

 

[xj0hnx]

🙄

Kindly list the last dozen shootings involving an elected official, or more specifically, a national elected official. I'll be happy to send you the dime.

You're being ridiculous.

The point is she isn't a nationally elected official, she represents a district in a state, just like you didn't vote for my congressman, no one outside of her district voted for her.

 

[OutHouse]

🙄

Kindly list the last dozen shootings involving an elected official, or more specifically, a national elected official. I'll be happy to send you the dime.

You're being ridiculous.

?? only the president is nationally elected. she is a congress woman in AZ, her name was not on my ballot in colorado.

 

[dmcowen674]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CADsortaGUY
Yep.

Yes, it's tragic that people were gunned down and the congresswoman was shot but the media and politicos have blown this WAY out of proportion. "national healing"? WTF? There is no national tragedy here.

What?
No national tragedy? One of the congressional elected officials got shot in the head and several other people murdered.

Classic Republican crap.

If she was a Republican you bet your ass he and the rest of his ilk would have a completely different tune.

How many ways do they have to show how much they hate this country before they are run out of here?

 

[dmcowen674]

?? only the president is nationally elected. she is a congress woman in AZ, her name was not on my ballot in colorado.

WTF?

She is part of Congress, you know one of the branches of the United States.

Perhaps this country is not for you.

 

[CycloWizard]

🙄

Kindly list the last dozen shootings involving an elected official, or more specifically, a national elected official. I'll be happy to send you the dime.

You're being ridiculous.

Since the only nationally-elected officials are the President/VP, I'd say Reagan. I don't remember him flying across the country to give a speech for himself. Where were you headed with this?

 

[Bowfinger]

The point is she isn't a nationally elected official, she represents a district in a state, just like you didn't vote for my congressman, no one outside of her district voted for her.

?? only the president is nationally elected. she is a congress woman in AZ, her name was not on my ballot in colorado.

Since the only nationally-elected officials are the President/VP, I'd say Reagan. I don't remember him flying across the country to give a speech for himself. Where were you headed with this?

/yawn

Sorry kids, I didn't say nationally elected official, I said national elected official, i.e., someone who serves at the national level, who makes decisions affecting the whole country, that sort of thing. As such, she has significantly more national visibility than someone who serves at the state or local level. The bottom line is, no matter how desperately you want to justify your fringe views and play childish games nitpicking semantics, Americans overwhelmingly reject you. The vast majority of people in this nation see this as a national tragedy ... and they don't give a tinker's damn what you think.

As to CW asking where I'm going with this, no place in particular. I was just mocking your inane claim that shootings like this are "a dime a dozen." They clearly aren't, but hey, haters gotta hate. While you wallow nearly alone in your blind loathing, most of your right-leaning peers rose above such pettiness and gave Obama his due. He did a fine job the other night.

 

[Craig234]

Or he's reading a speech written by a professional. We'll never know which.

I like Obama the man, I'm far less impressed with Obama the president.

Presidents have speechwriters, get over it. The speechwriters don't hand something to the President for him to read that's got nothing to do with the President. They write things that are reflecting his views and way of speaking. Many of JFK's best speeches were written by the outstanding Ted Sorensen, but if you read JFK's own writing and his edits to the speeches, they are also great and similar, Sorensen was writing like JFK.

Similarly, Presidents with some of the worst speeches had speechwriters, who also reflected the President.

George W. Bush didn't come up with the phrase 'Axis of Evil', two of his speechwriters did, but they did so reflecting him. Presidents get the blame or credit for the speeches.

Even a President like Reagan was greatly aided by his speechwriters, but deserves credit that their phrases had qualities of his. Presidents review and edit their speeches, as well.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

and I expected nothing more...

and I really feel sorry for him/her - that this person has based a life over this silly nonsense over the internet...

clearly you and the others that kept wailing on haven't stopped to THINK at all about what I've posted. You really don't see what I've done here? This isn't about me - this is about the situation. Meh, it seems some are just too blinded to rationally think about this situation... which is just about as sad as the killings themselves.

edit: speeealing.