Ouch, I am going to witness my 8 day old son

[adlep]

People playing with nature....
This extra layer of skin should protect Men's most sensitive organ...
What in the world is wrong with that?

As for the question of what girls prefer....for me it's circumsized. That is only based on my own personal experience

Sorry to say but this is... one of the urban legends...
Why?
Well durring the sexual intercourse there is no diffrience between one or another...
Extra skin just goes down 😱
There are a lot of examples all over the internet...😱

 

[Hubris]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: Ranger X
Why is everyone so passionate about what other people are doing to their baby boys? SO WHAT?! It's not your baby. If they want to do it, let them. If they allow their boys to keep their foreskins, then let them.

The statistics of circumcision in the United States is dropping as hygiene seems less of an issue nowadays. 80% seems high as I had expected it to be around 75% or less.

Because you have what you have for a reason. The foresekin is there to protect the head. Would you remove your fingernails so that you would never have to worry about cutting them or cleaning under them? Same principle.

I've got an appendix...but no reason for it. The foreskin evolved as protection against debris entering the urinary tract and causing infection. With current clothing and increased hygiene, the foreskin is no longer really necessary as protection against infection.

It's a personal preference, but there's really no need to keep it and no need to get rid of it. Yeah, it's a little iffy doing it to a child so young, but that's what parents do; make decisions for their children until they can make them on their own. And yes, I can see the side of the foreskin being a permanent thing, but as it doesn't cause any real HARM, I don't think it should be as big a deal as some people try to make it.

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: Sealy

Originally posted by: NutBucket
I'm disappointed in you Sealy.....

Poor Al🙁

Well NutBucket...I'm quite comfortable with my decision, and I'm not going to justify anything to anyone. I put my story on here, so those who had no idea how the surgery was done could see that it's not always done without anethesia.

You'll find that when you have kids one day, you'll have a million people around you telling you how, what, and why you should do things to, for or with your child! You just have to take it with a grain of salt, and do what YOU think is the best thing for YOUR child. 🙂

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion...but I'm perfectly entitled not to care 🙂

Fair enough🙂

 

[Sealy]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: Sealy

Originally posted by: NutBucket
I'm disappointed in you Sealy.....

Poor Al🙁

Well NutBucket...I'm quite comfortable with my decision, and I'm not going to justify anything to anyone. I put my story on here, so those who had no idea how the surgery was done could see that it's not always done without anethesia.

You'll find that when you have kids one day, you'll have a million people around you telling you how, what, and why you should do things to, for or with your child! You just have to take it with a grain of salt, and do what YOU think is the best thing for YOUR child. 🙂

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion...but I'm perfectly entitled not to care 🙂

Fair enough🙂

🙂

 

[adlep]

I've got an appendix...but no reason for it. The foreskin evolved as protection against debris entering the urinary tract and causing infection. With current clothing and increased hygiene, the foreskin is no longer really necessary as protection against infection.

BS
Many times in my life the extra protection saved me a lot of pain....

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: WhiteKnight

Originally posted by: Amorphus

Originally posted by: sweettart

Originally posted by: dxkj
What percentage of American born males are circumcised shortly after birth?

I did a speech on this topic in my college speech class. I found out that around 80% of males are circumcised in the U.S. but only 18 percent of males worldwide are circumcised. There are quite a few risks involved with circumcision with very negligible health benefits. Here are a few links I used in forming my speech against a harmful useless surgery.

This link will let you download a video of an actual circumcision.

This site shows pics of the procedure with links to the risks involved.

Don't circumcise your baby boys.

The baby is capable of an erection? 😕

From the second link.

Erections are in fact very common even among infants. It is not related to pleasureable stimulation, but I believe that it's just a natural occurance.

particularly when they have to go. the pressure on the bladder causes erections sometimes. it happens in adults too.

 

[Eli]

I'm in agreement, it's completely pointless "ritual" mutilation.

It serves no purpose in these modern times. Why on Earth would you cut sensitive and specialized skin off your penis? Why would you want to? Why would you advocate it?

Why don't we cut little girls clitoris and/or inner lips off?

It's quite analogous. They don't need them. Not having them would help with hygeine.

So.. why don't we?

 

[Hubris]

Originally posted by: Eli
I'm in agreement, it's completely pointless "ritual" mutilation.

It serves no purpose in these modern times. Why on Earth would you cut sensitive and specialized skin off your penis? Why would you want to? Why would you advocate it?

Why don't we cut little girls clitoris and/or inner lips off?

It's quite analogous. They don't need them. Not having them would help with hygeine.

So.. why don't we?

Actually, it's not analagous, as there are a number of different kinds of female circumcision, and some of them are actually beneficial if a woman has trouble reaching orgasm. So, before we break out the broad strokes and start painting, maybe we should look more into what we're talking about?

I'd post a link to a site about it, but it contains 'questionable' images, and I wouldn't want to get this locked.

 

[Aquaman]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Smegma, need I say more?

BWAHHHHH LOL 😀

Cheers,
Aquamam

 

[tantos]

<< Uncirumcised and great for it...feels much better in terms of sensitivity.. It's a fact that a some scar tissue grows over the top of said member and thus makes it less sensitive to stimulation versus the turtlenecked members. I think it's mostly done now in America because everyone else has it and women are so used to seeing it cut. It's more of a culturally ingrained practice to assimulate boys so that they won't feel different from every other boy.

 

[brxndxn]

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Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Why are you going to allow them to perform surgery on his healthy sex organ? It isn't defective. He can't give you permission.
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hmm. what's your stance on the whole abortion debate?



PWNED.

 

[bandana163]

Originally posted by: Eli
I'm in agreement, it's completely pointless "ritual" mutilation.

It serves no purpose in these modern times. Why on Earth would you cut sensitive and specialized skin off your penis? Why would you want to? Why would you advocate it?

Why don't we cut little girls clitoris and/or inner lips off?

It's quite analogous. They don't need them. Not having them would help with hygeine.

So.. why don't we?

I'm suprised about 60% of the babies undergo circumcision in the US.
It's roughly 1% or less here and it's done on an almost purely religious basis.
I think there is no need for circumcision, no serious hygenical benefit, this is 2004, not the middle ages.

Otherwise: babies have no choice, so why enforce the parents' beliefs and alter the children for their whole life?

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: tantos
Uncirumcised and great for it...feels much better in terms of sensitivity.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that. How would you know what feels "better" if you've only known one way? There are numerous studies done of 20 something guys who've had it done who report no difference in sensation. So who are we to believe...you, some dope on a message board, or trial research?

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: tantos
Uncirumcised and great for it...feels much better in terms of sensitivity.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that. How would you know what feels "better" if you've only known one way? There are numerous studies done of 20 something guys who've had it done who report no difference in sensation. So who are we to believe...you, some dope on a message board, or trial research?

You can't honestly tell me that after a few years, the constant bouncing-about of the unprotected glans won't dull the sensation.

- M4H

 

[tantos]

HeroOfPellinor << Damn man, I was just expressing my opinion, you freaking made it as if I was some religious zealot pushing religion on your a$$, you need to get a life. The only dope I see here is you.

 

[TheNinja]

You don't just chop off another man's fireman....dude that is NOT cool!

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: tantos
Uncirumcised and great for it...feels much better in terms of sensitivity.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that. How would you know what feels "better" if you've only known one way? There are numerous studies done of 20 something guys who've had it done who report no difference in sensation. So who are we to believe...you, some dope on a message board, or trial research?

You can't honestly tell me that after a few years, the constant bouncing-about of the unprotected glans won't dull the sensation.

- M4H

he's not, the research is

 

[Chrono]

hm... reminds me of this one week in the hospital that I work at. I saw a scheduled appointment for a 58 year old to have a circumcision. Uh... isn't it kind of too late? I agree totally with the cleaning aspect. Just clean yourself and you're set. Don't be too lazy you @#$@#$. Do women really prefer circumcised males? I think it doesn't really matter. Sex is Sex.
Now, I don't think your son would care if he was circumcised or not. At least not right now, all he will do is pee with his you know what for the next 12+ years or whatever.

 

[Chrono]

Originally posted by: Chrono
hm... reminds me of this one week in the hospital that I work at. I saw a scheduled appointment for a 58 year old to have a circumcision. Uh... isn't it kind of too late? I agree totally with the cleaning aspect. Just clean yourself and you're set. Don't be too lazy you @#$@#$. Do women really prefer circumcised males? I think it doesn't really matter. Sex is Sex.
Now, I don't think your son would care if he was circumcised or not. At least not right now, all he will do is pee with his you know what for the next 12+ years or whatever. Err.. or however long until he really uses it

 

[PlatinumGold]

what about tonsils? what about eyebrows.

so the parents can have any useless part of the childs anatomy just because they feel like it?? my sons are both uncircumcised, guess what, when they get old enough and decide they really have to get it done, then i'll pay for it. no problem. at least they will have the choice.

why don't parents just tatoo their children at birth?

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Bryophyte

Originally posted by: Doodoo
Im glad i got circumsized...it'd jus look plain ole ugly if it wasn't. I know girls think it looks funny if it wasn't either.

Circumcised or not, human genitals aren't exactly pretty. Why do you think they call it "bumping uglies"? Anyway, I've had partners both ways, and I didn't find uncircumcised to be any less attractive.

Female genitalia is beautiful. :beer:

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold


why don't parents just tatoo their children at birth?

Why do they get them immunized? Shouldn't it be the child's decision? Also, going to the dentist should also be the child's decision. Whether or not to go to school should also be the child's decision. We should never ever do something unless the child wants us to, right, genius?

Seriously, the circumcision is painful for a few hours/days and then the kid doesn't have to worry about the cleanliness of his dork for the rest of his life. Bottom line, it won't affect him too much either way. Your tatoo example was rediculous because tatoos, in our culture, are considered personal expressions. Medical procedures for a child's health are not.

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold


why don't parents just tatoo their children at birth?

Why do they get them immunized? Shouldn't it be the child's decision? Also, going to the dentist should also be the child's decision. Whether or not to go to school should also be the child's decision. We should never ever do something unless the child wants us to, right, genius?

Seriously, the circumcision is painful for a few hours/days and then the kid doesn't have to worry about the cleanliness of his dork for the rest of his life. Bottom line, it won't affect him too much either way. Your tatoo example was rediculous because tatoos, in our culture, are considered personal expressions. Medical procedures for a child's health are not.

If circumcision is so vital to a person's health, as important as immunizations and going to the dentist, then explain why most of the world doesn't do it. Do you see the CDC spending huge amounts of money to educate peoples about the dangers of being uncut? Do you see massive ad campaigns telling us to circumcise? Do you see Europeans scrambling to get themselves cut?

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold


why don't parents just tatoo their children at birth?

Why do they get them immunized? Shouldn't it be the child's decision? Also, going to the dentist should also be the child's decision. Whether or not to go to school should also be the child's decision. We should never ever do something unless the child wants us to, right, genius?

Seriously, the circumcision is painful for a few hours/days and then the kid doesn't have to worry about the cleanliness of his dork for the rest of his life. Bottom line, it won't affect him too much either way. Your tatoo example was rediculous because tatoos, in our culture, are considered personal expressions. Medical procedures for a child's health are not.

If circumcision is so vital to a person's health, as important as immunizations and going to the dentist, then explain why most of the world doesn't do it. Do you see the CDC spending huge amounts of money to educate peoples about the dangers of being uncut? Do you see massive ad campaigns telling us to circumcise? Do you see Europeans scrambling to get themselves cut?

It's not AS important, but it is, as all doctors will agree, preferrable. The importance of immunizations can also be questioned when the chance of contracting let alone dying from any of them is incredibly rare. Believe me, getting your baby immunized is incredibly tramatic for the child as well as the parents.

Anyway, why do you care? Show the same ferver in defending a child's welfare before he's born?

 

[acemcmac]

Best thread on ATOT in months. I really learned something from the info Sweettart posted and I'm really glad she did. Certainly gave me a lot to think about... Sorta makes me wish I could go time traveling to hear the debate or lack-there-of between my own rents. Mabye I would have prefered it the other way...

lol, not like I get a second chance at that one... it's especially killer when thinking about how many girls leave ME unsatisfied instead of the other way around :beer: