OU getting beat 21-7

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"Only in the human polls, and they are still a 1 loss team. "

I think there's an excellent chance they'll be 4th in the human polls, behind Michigan. That still might get them in the title game.

If they are ranked 3 in the human polls, they are still #1 in the BCS, same way with if they are ranked 4. Now if they are ranked 5 they would drop to #2 in the BCS. Ranked 6 in the human polls, it would be extremely close. Basically if they drop lower than 5 in the human polls they arent going to the title game. Do I think they should drop lower than 5? No I dont.

This is exactly WHY a playoff system is a MUST for college football. The BCS is way to flawed, going by polls is way to flawed. They should use a combonation of the BCS and a Playoff system.

Use the BCS to get the top 8 teams.

1vs8
2vs7
etc

That would knock it down to four teams

then the semis would knock it down to 2 teams

The two teams play in the title game on Jan 3(rotates between the BCS bowl games)

while the other 6 play in the other four BCS games based on how they did in the playoffs. That whole academic crap is BS, they could work around it. They have choosen not to.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

SO what does all this mean for USC?

 

[Tom]

Are you sure that in the human polls if
LSU is #1
USC is #2
Michigan is #3
OK is #4

that OK will get in ? I'm not so sure.. if it is that sure of a thing they might drop farther because after the weakness of Oklahoma has been revealed, a lot of human voters probably would rather see USC play LSU.

It's true this is only one loss, but many of the two loss teams didn't have this bad of a game in their losses, I mean in this game, the first real test in a long while, Oklahoma completely collapsed.
And no kicking game either.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: LordSegan
SO what does all this mean for USC?

Well USC and OUs fate remains to be foreseen.

If Hawaii lwins, USC edges out LSU, if they lose LSU edges out of USC. Then it depends on where OU gets ranked in the human polls.

I mean it could be

1. LSU
2. OU
3. USC

1. USC
2. OU
3. LSU

1. USC
2. LSU
3. OU

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Mookow
I think Jason White's Heisman stock has taken a hard drop...

Indeed. A very hard one. I for one am sort of glad. I think Perry should have a strong chance at it.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Eh, I don't see this dropping them out of the Sugar Bowl. It should though. I don't see how you should be able to compete for the National Title when you can't even win your own conference. We saw this a couple years ago when Oregon got screwed so Nebraska (who didn't win their conference) could go have the pleasure of getting their asses handed to them by Miami. Such a screwed up system :|

Then again, I'm not 1/10th of the college fans you guys are so I could be way off...

 

[kalster]

well one could argue


USC 1 loss (to uranked but bowl eligible team), only loss by 3points and early in season


LSU 1 loss 3 points and early in season

OU 1 loss (to ranked), spanking and last game of season

and both USC and LSU are outright winners of their respective conference

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
Are you sure that in the human polls if
LSU is #1
USC is #2
Michigan is #3
OK is #4

that OK will get in ? I'm not so sure.. if it is that sure of a thing they might drop farther because after the weakness of Oklahoma has been revealed, a lot of human voters probably would rather see USC play LSU.

It's true this is only one loss, but many of the two loss teams didn't have this bad of a game in their losses, I mean in this game, the first real test in a long while, Oklahoma completely collapsed.
And no kicking game either.

Well like I said, the people that know the BCS system in and out, have said OU is in the Sugar and they are still saying that even right now after the blow out by Kansas State.

OU has the SoS advantage, the Quality win advantage(LSU loses .2 do to them beating UGA) and they have the advantage with the computers. It depends how far they really drop in the human polls.

If they are #4 they are so in. If they are ranked #6, its gonna be close, anything lower than 6 ou just isnt gonna be in the sugar.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Eh, I don't see this dropping them out of the Sugar Bowl. It should though. I don't see how you should be able to compete for the National Title when you can't even win your own conference. We saw this a couple years ago when Oregon got screwed so Nebraska (who didn't win their conference) could go have the pleasure of getting their asses handed to them by Miami. Such a screwed up system :|

Then again, I'm not 1/10th of the college fans you guys are so I could be way off...

No, you are correct. This why the BCS is BS.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Eh, I don't see this dropping them out of the Sugar Bowl. It should though. I don't see how you should be able to compete for the National Title when you can't even win your own conference. We saw this a couple years ago when Oregon got screwed so Nebraska (who didn't win their conference) could go have the pleasure of getting their asses handed to them by Miami. Such a screwed up system :|

Then again, I'm not 1/10th of the college fans you guys are so I could be way off...

No, you are correct. This why the BCS is BS.

Every system but a playoff system is BS. But I still have no doubts that OU would beat either LSU or USC. You cant judge them by one game, even if its late in the season. USC lost to Cal for christs sake.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"Only in the human polls, and they are still a 1 loss team. "

I think there's an excellent chance they'll be 4th in the human polls, behind Michigan. That still might get them in the title game.

If they are ranked 3 in the human polls, they are still #1 in the BCS, same way with if they are ranked 4. Now if they are ranked 5 they would drop to #2 in the BCS. Ranked 6 in the human polls, it would be extremely close. Basically if they drop lower than 5 in the human polls they arent going to the title game. Do I think they should drop lower than 5? No I dont.

This is exactly WHY a playoff system is a MUST for college football. The BCS is way to flawed, going by polls is way to flawed. They should use a combonation of the BCS and a Playoff system.

Use the BCS to get the top 8 teams.

1vs8
2vs7
etc

That would knock it down to four teams

then the semis would knock it down to 2 teams

The two teams play in the title game on Jan 3(rotates between the BCS bowl games)

while the other 6 play in the other four BCS games based on how they did in the playoffs. That whole academic crap is BS, they could work around it. They have choosen not to.

The real problem, IMO, with a playoff system, as seen by college administrators, is that there would be so much money in the playoff system that it will be even harder to not pay a stipend to college football players. But if the football players get $$, what about the basketball players? and the baseball players? and the *insert sport here* players?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Eh, I don't see this dropping them out of the Sugar Bowl. It should though. I don't see how you should be able to compete for the National Title when you can't even win your own conference. We saw this a couple years ago when Oregon got screwed so Nebraska (who didn't win their conference) could go have the pleasure of getting their asses handed to them by Miami. Such a screwed up system :|

Then again, I'm not 1/10th of the college fans you guys are so I could be way off...

No, you are correct. This why the BCS is BS.

Every system but a playoff system is BS. But I still have no doubts that OU would beat either LSU or USC. You cant judge them by one game, even if its late in the season. USC lost to Cal for christs sake.

Like EVERYONE KNEW that the Soviets would beat the US in hockey at lake placid.

there IS a reason that people actually play these games you know.

I thought that UGA would beat LSU tonite, so obviously my opinions are sh!t.

 

[Balt]

IMO:

OU had a weaker schedule than it's given credit for.
USC had a weaker schedule than it's given credit for.
LSU had a tougher schedule than it's given credit for.

I don't know how this mess is going to get sorted out, but if LSU gets screwed then it's a crime.

 

[Lyfer]

Originally posted by: Balt
IMO:

OU had a weaker schedule than it's given credit for.
USC had a weaker schedule than it's given credit for.
LSU had a tougher schedule than it's given credit for.

I don't know how this mess is going to get sorted out, but if LSU gets screwed then it's a crime.

Agreed!

 

[Tiger]

OU will still be #1.
Going intot he game they had a BCS rating of 2.02. The loss to KSU will add 1.0 to that.
USC was at 6.something and LSU was at 8.something. USC has chance to jump past oU for #1 but OU will still be #2.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Lyfer

Originally posted by: Balt
IMO:

OU had a weaker schedule than it's given credit for.
USC had a weaker schedule than it's given credit for.
LSU had a tougher schedule than it's given credit for.

I don't know how this mess is going to get sorted out, but if LSU gets screwed then it's a crime.

Agreed!

would seem to me that the win by LSU and loss by OU would GUARANTEE LSU a spot.

 

[NeoV]

I agree too Balt

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Eh, I don't see this dropping them out of the Sugar Bowl. It should though. I don't see how you should be able to compete for the National Title when you can't even win your own conference. We saw this a couple years ago when Oregon got screwed so Nebraska (who didn't win their conference) could go have the pleasure of getting their asses handed to them by Miami. Such a screwed up system :|

Then again, I'm not 1/10th of the college fans you guys are so I could be way off...

No, you are correct. This why the BCS is BS.

Every system but a playoff system is BS. But I still have no doubts that OU would beat either LSU or USC. You cant judge them by one game, even if its late in the season. USC lost to Cal for christs sake.

And hell, Kansas State lost to Marshall. Then OU just lost to Kansas State. How does ANY of it make sense.

 

[PlatinumGold]

SEC is an underrated conference, seems strange when you think of the history of SEC teams, but they just don't get the press that the pac 10 or big 12 or big 10

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

And hell, Kansas State lost to Marshall. Then OU just lost to Kansas State. How does ANY of it make sense.

The A>B, B>C, A>C logic never works across all of college football in any given season. Thats why they should have a playoff, with a minimum of 8 teams, preferably 16.

But, of course, the sheer amt of $$ that would be made off a system would almost force the NCAA to give the students a share fo the cash. And they wont allow that to happen.

 

[NeoV]

SEC is underrated? They are the consensus #1 conference in the country this year - SI, Sporting News, ESPN - all have said as much.

 

[shiner]

You won't find a bigger OU fan than me....with that being said I have to admit this game scared me a bit. I've kept my mouth shut leading up to this game for just that reason. Tonights game was ugly for a number of reasons.

First I think the teacher finally got the best of his students. Snyder had a great scheme in place to counteract OU and it was executed to near perfection.

Secondly I think the whole Mike Stoops to Arizona thing was a distraction for the defense. In all the years since Stoops became the DC for the team I have never seen the defense look that bad and unfocused. Same thing that happened when Stoops left K-State to come to OU. The K-State D collapsed against Texas A&M

Thirdly....Jason White didn't look like himself tonight. His throws didn't seem to have the same velocity they normally do. A buddy of mine that works at OU told me earlier this week that Jason hadn't looked as sharp in practice and they thought he had a shoulder problem. Whatever it was something just didn't look right.

K-State played a helluva game....congrats to them and Coach Snyder for finally getting the monkey of their back and winning a Big 12 Championship.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Eh, I don't see this dropping them out of the Sugar Bowl. It should though. I don't see how you should be able to compete for the National Title when you can't even win your own conference. We saw this a couple years ago when Oregon got screwed so Nebraska (who didn't win their conference) could go have the pleasure of getting their asses handed to them by Miami. Such a screwed up system :|

Then again, I'm not 1/10th of the college fans you guys are so I could be way off...

No, you are correct. This why the BCS is BS.

Every system but a playoff system is BS. But I still have no doubts that OU would beat either LSU or USC. You cant judge them by one game, even if its late in the season. USC lost to Cal for christs sake.

And hell, Kansas State lost to Marshall. Then OU just lost to Kansas State. How does ANY of it make sense.

How the fvck does losing to Cal make sense? Or playing alot more patsies than OU or LSU.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Eh, I don't see this dropping them out of the Sugar Bowl. It should though. I don't see how you should be able to compete for the National Title when you can't even win your own conference. We saw this a couple years ago when Oregon got screwed so Nebraska (who didn't win their conference) could go have the pleasure of getting their asses handed to them by Miami. Such a screwed up system :|

Then again, I'm not 1/10th of the college fans you guys are so I could be way off...

No, you are correct. This why the BCS is BS.

Every system but a playoff system is BS. But I still have no doubts that OU would beat either LSU or USC. You cant judge them by one game, even if its late in the season. USC lost to Cal for christs sake.

And hell, Kansas State lost to Marshall. Then OU just lost to Kansas State. How does ANY of it make sense.

exactly

u hit it right on the head

this moron complaing about Cal beating USC needs to shut up for good

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: NeoV
SEC is underrated? They are the consensus #1 conference in the country this year - SI, Sporting News, ESPN - all have said as much.

Yeah this year, based off win/loss.

Put an SEC team in the Big 12, and they wouldnt survive the schedule.