Ossama Bin Laden was not armed.

[snarl]

They found a Bullet on the Body 🙂

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Oh, and make sure that the person you are trying to convince by using an article about the battle ...wasn't at the battle 😉

He could have been one of the chicken shits that ran home crying to their Mommies.

 

[bfdd]

I really don't care if he was picking his nose or taking a shit when he got shot. He could have been petting a bunny rabbit while reading a bed time story to children and I would be ok with him being shot in the face. The decision to kill our enemies was made long before they became our enemies.

 

[SlickSnake]

I do hope you aren't serious.

with any of this. particularly the bolded. if you can't see why that is the dumbest possible option, then, well....damn.

I'm completely serious.

And I haven't faulted Obama one single time in all of my postings, either, like you seem to imply in other posts that everyone here is faulting him, they obviously all aren't. So pull your head out of your partisan ass before you post next time, ok?

If anyone should take any blame, it would be the Rambo's who supposedly killed him and didn't capture him like they were obviously ordered to do in training simulations for 10 MONTHS before this mission even happened.

 

[Abwx]

November 8, 2004: Operation Phantom Fury begins.

• November 16, 2004: American spokesmen describe fighting in the city as mopping up isolated pockets of resistance.

• December 23, 2004: Last pockets of resistance are neutralized. Three Marines are killed in the last skirmish, along with 24 insurgents.[20] Operation Phantom Fury is the bloodiest battle of the Iraq War.

😉

LOLZ

So 8 days later there was only pockets of resistance,
and one month and half later, there was only^pockets
of resistance...😀

 

[xj0hnx]

If anyone should take any blame, it would be the Rambo's who supposedly killed him and didn't capture him like they were obviously ordered to do in training simulations for 10 MONTHS before this mission even happened.

Seriously, who left the door open at P&N's day care?

I guess you sat in on training, and mission briefs then eh hotshot? Maybe you wrote the Op Order? You know what they were "obviously" order to do? Oh, you weren't there, or involved in any way shape or form, just being an armchair command? Say it isn't so. So much fail, so little time.

 

[xj0hnx]

LOLZ

So 8 days later there was only pockets of resistance,
and one month and half later, there was only^pockets
of resistance...😀

Your comprehension of English isn't that good is it?

 

[SlickSnake]

No. Much, much, much, much more unnecessary hassle if he were taken alive.

Where will he be detained? What conditions is he given? How many cable channels does he have access to watch? What lawyer is he getting? Where is his trial being held? Can we use evidence obtained from waterboarding in the trial? He deserves family visitation while imprisoned. And OMG the SEAL team didn't properly marandize him!!!!!!! Osama's wife was sexually discriminated during the raid...

No, it's better he is dead and over with. The longer time passes, the more the lunatics would begin sympathizing with Osama, the more parasitic lawyers would begin scheming profitable ideas from Osama.

Another stupid post, as usual. He's got no rights as an enemy combatant. Do you ever go back and read the stupid crap you post and go WTF was I thinking? Maybe you should take your own advice, sport.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

LOL. You really are ignorant. The second battle of Fallujah was all but over in about a week, I can tell you definitively that we went from one side of town to the other in three days. The insurgents didn't "hold off" hte US military, they hide like cowards. The rest of the time was spent clearing out the remaining insurgents hiding around town, destroying weapons caches, and securing the city for the population to return.

Maybe before trying to post something that you ignorantly thinks backs your twisted view, you should read the whole thing first ...

• November 7, 2004: U.S. Marines stage just north of Fallujah. In the city, now under complete insurgent control with no American presence since April, there are a large numbers of booby traps and IEDs constructed and set in place.[16][19] Additionally, elevated sniper positions have been created along with heavily fortified defensive positions throughout the city, in preparation for a major offensive. American UAVs observed insurgents conducting live-fire exercises in the city in preparation for the coming attack.

• November 8, 2004: Operation Phantom Fury begins.
  

• November 16, 2004: American spokesmen describe fighting in the city as mopping up isolated pockets of resistance.

• December 23, 2004: Last pockets of resistance are neutralized. Three Marines are killed in the last skirmish, along with 24 insurgents.[20] Operation Phantom Fury is the bloodiest battle of the Iraq War.

Oh, and make sure that the person you are trying to convince by using an article about the battle ...wasn't at the battle 😉

Ouch. That ownage is going to leave a huge mark. 😀

 

[SlickSnake]

It will be an issue when the SEAL gets put on trial for war crimes.

Obama/Panetta/etc snitched on him.

You actually made a good point I hadn't thought of for why they released this story like this. They might release the info he was killed unarmed if they were pissed off he wasn't taken alive for intel purposes, as they were no doubt ordered to do if possible. Otherwise, why bother to spend 10 MONTHS training to take the compound if they are just going to storm it and kill everyone in it. Why let them have 10 MONTHS to leave the compound and go somewhere else to hide?

 

[xj0hnx]

You made a good point. They might release the info he was killed unarmed if they were pissed off he wasn't taken alive for intel purposes, as they were no doubt ordered to do if possible. Otherwise, why bother to spend 10 MONTHS training to take the compound if they are just going to storm it and kill everyone in it. Why let them have 10 MONTHS to leave the compound and go somewhere else to hide?

Where are you coming up with this "training to take the compound for 10 months"? They didn't even know who was in the compound, they suspected. Do you really think that for almost the last year, one of the most elite units in the US military was only training this one mission?

 

[Abwx]

Your comprehension of English isn't that good is it?

Good enough to understand that what you re quoting
is the US military declarations of the time that are in line
with the WMDs thingies propaganda...

During one month and a half, the US army kept
saying every day that only pockets of resistances
were remaining in the city...

 

[OutHouse]

I wont insist on OT, but here an insight :

15000 marines with tanks bataillons and airforce heavy support
took more than ONE MONTH to defeat 3000 (at most) amateur-ish
insurgents (armed civilians) whose only weapons were machine guns,
RPGs and mortars....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Fallujah

Wow, next to thegreenbean, you have to be the most ignorant troll who post in P&N. You say you have a masters degree... If you really do have one I weep for the education instutition you got it from.

 

[OutHouse]

You actually made a good point I hadn't thought of for why they released this story like this. They might release the info he was killed unarmed if they were pissed off he wasn't taken alive for intel purposes, as they were no doubt ordered to do if possible. Otherwise, why bother to spend 10 MONTHS training to take the compound if they are just going to storm it and kill everyone in it. Why let them have 10 MONTHS to leave the compound and go somewhere else to hide?

Errrr what???

 

[SlickSnake]

Seriously, who left the door open at P&N's day care?

I guess you sat in on training, and mission briefs then eh hotshot? Maybe you wrote the Op Order? You know what they were "obviously" order to do? Oh, you weren't there, or involved in any way shape or form, just being an armchair command? Say it isn't so. So much fail, so little time.

And you can sit there as an exmilitary grunt armchair commander and honestly presume, in public, that they spent 10 MONTHS training just to dream up different ways and scenarios just to kill him? That would simply defy all logic and reason, and if you don't believe it, go look up "military intelligence" and get back to us on how that applies to you.

 

[Abwx]

. If you really do have one I weep for the education instutition you got it from.

This university is ranked 99 on the whole world panel....

 

[xj0hnx]

And you can sit there as an exmilitary grunt armchair commander and honestly presume, in public, that they spent 10 MONTHS training just to dream up different ways and scenarios just to kill him? That would simply defy all logic and reason, and if you don't believe it, go look up "military intelligence" and get back to us on how that applies to you.

Stop foaming at the mouth and try to type something that makes sense. Where did I "presume" anything? Do you think that capitalizing ONE word makes what you say any more true?

 

[Throckmorton]

Where are you coming up with this "training to take the compound for 10 months"? They didn't even know who was in the compound, they suspected. Do you really think that for almost the last year, one of the most elite units in the US military was only training this one mission?

One of the senators said she knew about the compound for months. They even set up a mockup of the compound to train. It wasn't a spur of the moment thing.

 

[xj0hnx]

Good enough to understand that what you re quoting
is the US military declarations of the time that are in line
with the WMDs thingies propaganda...

During one month and a half, the US army kept
saying every day that only pockets of resistances
were remaining in the city...

Apparently not. Apparently you lack the basic understanding to comprehend that a city is pretty hard to clear out, and takes time.

 

[zinfamous]

I'm completely serious.

And I haven't faulted Obama one single time in all of my postings, either, like you seem to imply in other posts that everyone here is faulting him, they obviously all aren't. So pull your head out of your partisan ass before you post next time, ok?

If anyone should take any blame, it would be the Rambo's who supposedly killed him and didn't capture him like they were obviously ordered to do in training simulations for 10 MONTHS before this mission even happened.

Obviously?

SEAL team 6 is sent in to neutralize high priority targets. They aren't sent in to apprehend.

here is the information that you have been given through the media, through the admin and through the CIA, and you are open to interpret it, through the various sources:

--unnamed CIA source: "This was a kill mission."
--media details regarding SEAL six: "These guys are a squad sent in to neutralize high priority targets. They are not sent in to detain prisoners."
--Panetta: "The mission was to discover the presence of bin Laden, and if found, detain if possible. Authority was given to kill OBL if he presented a threat."

so, kill was certainly always an option. You have what seems to be the fact that this team is, more or less, an elite assassination squad, and the CIA director telling us that this elite assassination squad was sent in to detain the most dangerous man in the world, kill if necessary.

I'll leave that to you to determine if the words of the CIA director should be taken as 100% factual, at any time, ever. 😀

I also can't fathom the notion that bin Laden is, in any way, valuable as a prisoner.

 

[xj0hnx]

One of the senators said she knew about the compound for months. They even set up a mockup of the compound to train. It wasn't a spur of the moment thing.

I know that, but that doesn't mean that they trained for 10 MONTHS, on taking him alive. They trained to know that compound, to practice assaulting it different ways, seeing what would work, what wouldn't. I'm trying to figure out how Slick thinks that translates to them training for 10 MONTHS to take Osama alive.

 

[zinfamous]

You actually made a good point I hadn't thought of for why they released this story like this. They might release the info he was killed unarmed if they were pissed off he wasn't taken alive for intel purposes, as they were no doubt ordered to do if possible. Otherwise, why bother to spend 10 MONTHS training to take the compound if they are just going to storm it and kill everyone in it. Why let them have 10 MONTHS to leave the compound and go somewhere else to hide?

 

[SlickSnake]

Where are you coming up with this "training to take the compound for 10 months"? They didn't even know who was in the compound, they suspected. Do you really think that for almost the last year, one of the most elite units in the US military was only training this one mission?

It was reported he was found to be there LAST AUGUST. You can bet the day of the report, they already had a mission plan in place and a team, and they started briefing and training whatever team they were going to send in the day they got that report. It was also reported they quickly built a replica compound to train in and then spent months training in it. You honestly believe they would do all that planning and training when all they wanted to do was kill him and all they had to do was simply drop or plant bombs in the compound to achieve that?

 

[xj0hnx]

I also can't fathom the notion that bin Laden is, in any way, valuable as a prisoner.

Me either. I'd say that the hard copy info they retrieve from the computers, and other items taken from the compound will have more intel than Bin Laden could possibly keep in his head, and tell interrogators. Other that, him alive is a liability.

 

[zinfamous]

And you can sit there as an exmilitary grunt armchair commander and honestly presume, in public, that they spent 10 MONTHS training just to dream up different ways and scenarios just to kill him? That would simply defy all logic and reason, and if you don't believe it, go look up "military intelligence" and get back to us on how that applies to you.

you train to execute the mission in such a way to reduce, as mush as possible, the likelihood of losing a single man on your squad.

lol at you.